4th Booster ups protection against Omicron

[butt force]

But how sustainable is the booster game?
(the answer is developing better vaccines, probably)

What’s the magic number for booster shots?

COVID vaccine boosters are proving a useful tool against Omicron, but scientists say that endless boosting might not be a practical or sustainable strategy.

www.nature.com

 

[HawkeyeGenius]

We cannot boost our way out of it. Continual boosters is also not good for our immune system.

 

[Joes Place]

But how sustainable is the booster game?
(the answer is developing better vaccines, probably)

What’s the magic number for booster shots?

COVID vaccine boosters are proving a useful tool against Omicron, but scientists say that endless boosting might not be a practical or sustainable strategy.

www.nature.com

3 is doing a fantastic job against severe disease.

4-5 doses are what you probably got for lots of other childhood diseases

"Dozens" are what most people get over their lifetime in flu shots


So, not sure why this is so "new" to you

 

[Joes Place]

We cannot boost our way out of it. Continual boosters is also not good for our immune system.

Really?

Flu shots suggest otherwise

 

[chodehawk]

LOL

 

[Joes Place]

Not really a lot to improve on there...

 

[The Tradition]

And the added protection lasts about two weeks, apparently....

 

[HawkeyeGenius]

Really?

Flu shots suggest otherwise

“If we have a strategy in which we give boosters, let’s say every 4 months approximately, we will end up potentially having a problem with the immune response, and the immune response may end up not being as good as we would like it to be. So we should be careful in not overloading the immune system with repeated immunization,” Cavaleri added.

4th COVID-19 Shot Could Weaken Your Immune System

Experts say our bodies need time to process the stimulation from COVID-19 vaccines and infections before a booster dose is given

www.healthline.com

 

[Joes Place]

And the added protection lasts about two weeks, apparently....

3-4 booster doses of various vaccines have kept you healthy for your entire lifetime

 

[Joes Place]

“If we have a strategy in which we give boosters, let’s say every 4 months approximately, we will end up potentially having a problem with the immune response, and the immune response may end up not being as good as we would like it to be.

That sounds like pure speculation.

 

[HawkeyeGenius]

That sounds like pure speculation.

More speculation with this quote?

For example, the traditional hepatitis B vaccine is given as a three-dose series,” he explained. “The first two doses are given a month apart, and then you wait 6 months, or even later, you could wait 2 years. And then the immune system, when it’s stimulated by that third dose, will respond. But you don’t want to give that third dose before 6 months. It’s a little bit counterintuitive, but the immune system often needs some time to process this new information, and in effect, train its troops to respond optimally to that booster dose.”

 

[globalhawk]

And the added protection lasts about two weeks, apparently....

Where is this coming from?

 

[Joes Place]

“If we have a strategy in which we give boosters, let’s say every 4 months approximately, we will end up potentially having a problem with the immune response, and the immune response may end up not being as good as we would like it to be. So we should be careful in not overloading the immune system with repeated immunization,” Cavaleri added.

4th COVID-19 Shot Could Weaken Your Immune System

Experts say our bodies need time to process the stimulation from COVID-19 vaccines and infections before a booster dose is given

www.healthline.com

Dr. William Schaffner, an expert in infectious diseases at Vanderbilt University in Tennessee, says it is crucial to give the immune system time to process what it receives in the initial vaccination series.​

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“It’s just well established that the immune system needs some time to process the information that it gets: the stimulus from a vaccine or a natural infection. And then if you want to boost it, you have to give it a certain amount of time to ‘digest’ that information so that it can respond optimally,” Schaffner told Healthline.​

In other words, the whole "every 3-4 months" stuff is mostly unsupported in the science. But boosters in general do a very good job of training your immune system.

Seems like the Israeli's were trying to use multiple boosts to eliminate spread, which isn't possible or practical. But eliminating serious disease with 3 doses has worked out very very well.

 

[HawkeyeGenius]

Dr. William Schaffner, an expert in infectious diseases at Vanderbilt University in Tennessee, says it is crucial to give the immune system time to process what it receives in the initial vaccination series.​

​

“It’s just well established that the immune system needs some time to process the information that it gets: the stimulus from a vaccine or a natural infection. And then if you want to boost it, you have to give it a certain amount of time to ‘digest’ that information so that it can respond optimally,” Schaffner told Healthline.​

In other words, the whole "every 3-4 months" stuff is mostly unsupported in the science. But boosters in general do a very good job of training your immune system.

Seems like the Israeli's were trying to use multiple boosts to eliminate spread, which isn't possible or practical. But eliminating serious disease with 3 doses has worked out very very well.

And we're discussing a fourth dose here.

 

[Joes Place]

More speculation with this quote?

For example, the traditional hepatitis B vaccine is given as a three-dose series,” he explained. “The first two doses are given a month apart, and then you wait 6 months, or even later, you could wait 2 years.

That's consistent with the Covid doses, where you got 2x 1 month apart, then another at ~6 months.

Not "every 3-4 months" like some random dude just popped off the top of his head.

 

[HawkeyeGenius]

That's consistent with the Covid doses, where you got 2x 1 month apart, then another at ~6 months.

Not "every 3-4 months" like some random dude just popped off the top of his head.

Yet we're at 5 months now for the booster.

 

[Joes Place]

And we're discussing a fourth dose here.

More doses will benefit people with compromised immune systems and the very old.

The large majority of people will be fully protected with 3x. Most kids will probably do fine with 2x doses.

 

[The Tradition]

3-4 booster doses of various vaccines have kept you healthy for your entire lifetime

We're talking about version 1.0 of the 'rona vaccine, Joe.

 

[Joes Place]

Yet we're at 5 months now for the booster.

Yep, that's ~6 months.

Initial doses were "either 3 weeks or 4 weeks".
It's not "mission critical" to hit an exact day or anything.
They did 5 months for Covid vaccines, to get them out BEFORE the winter season set in.

 

[Joes Place]

Yet we're at 5 months now for the booster.

So, obviously, NOT "every 3-4 months".

Thx for clarifying my point.

 

[Joes Place]

“If the vaccines were adapted against Delta and Omicron, immunity would last much longer because lower levels of antibodies would be needed since those antibodies are directly targeted against those variants,” he added.

 

[ihhawk]

How much does Pfizer pay Joe to post on here?

 

[TylerJ76]

I see Joe is in here doing his thing.

 

[FAUlty Gator]

3 is doing a fantastic job against severe disease.

4-5 doses are what you probably got for lots of other childhood diseases

"Dozens" are what most people get over their lifetime in flu shots


So, not sure why this is so "new" to you

Because you don’t get 5 flu shots in 2 years.

 

[The Tradition]

Because you don’t get 5 flu shots in 2 years.

The vaccines have only been widely available for less than one year. This is a sorry vaccine. Sorry, Joe.

 

[UNIowaHawk]

Won’t the signals from the microchips start interfering with one another if there are too many?

 

[butt force]

Won’t the signals from the microchips start interfering with one another if there are too many?

My Grandpa just got his 4th shot and now he can't watch PornHub in his head no more!

 

[Joes Place]

Because you don’t get 5 flu shots in 2 years.

In 1918, people would have begged to get 5 flu shots in 2 years to stem that pandemic.

 

[runkpanole]

The vaccines have only been widely available for less than one year. This is a sorry vaccine. Sorry, Joe.

Joe? Does Trump not deserve your scorn for pushing it out before leaving office?

 

[onlyTheObvious]

I will be happy to get boosters as provided, as I do with the flu shot.

we can also stop with all the rules and vaccination card requirements. It’s going to be impossible to get track of 300,000,000+ peoples status since we are not on same cycle.

 

[HawkeyeGenius]

In 1918, people would have begged to get 5 flu shots in 2 years to stem that pandemic.

Do not be ridiculous

 

[Joes Place]

Do not be ridiculous

They lined up for blocks to get polio shots in the '50s

Americans rejoiced over polio vaccine. 8 vintage photos show what it was like.

Millions of Americans are making appointments and lining up to get the coronavirus (COVID-19) vaccine in hopes of a return to a normal life, and it’s not the first time people were desperate for inoculation to protect against a deadly disease.

www.silive.com

And the mortality rates for polio are strikingly similar to Covid19

And you still get 4-5 shots for polio in this country as a child.

 

[HawkeyeGenius]

They lined up for blocks to get polio shots in the '50s

Americans rejoiced over polio vaccine. 8 vintage photos show what it was like.

Millions of Americans are making appointments and lining up to get the coronavirus (COVID-19) vaccine in hopes of a return to a normal life, and it’s not the first time people were desperate for inoculation to protect against a deadly disease.

www.silive.com

And the mortality rates for polio are strikingly similar to Covid19

And you still get 4-5 shots for polio in this country as a child.

Four doses at 2, 4, 6-18 months then at 4-6 years.

 

[Joes Place]

Four doses at 2, 4, 6-18 months

Yep. That's pretty much in line with the 3 dose Covid regimen right now, isn't it?

 

[HawkeyeGenius]

Yep. That's pretty much in line with the 3 dose Covid regimen right now, isn't it?

Different types of vaccines that work different ways my man.

 

[Chuck C]

 

[Big Hawk D-Port]

How much does Pfizer pay Joe to post on here?

He is certainly paid. It’s actually a compliment to Joe to point it out. He’s an insufferable dbag but he has his ducks in a row.

 

[ihhawk]

He is certainly paid. It’s actually a compliment to Joe to point it out. He’s an insufferable dbag but he has his ducks in a row.

Except that when you are so hard core for one side of the discussion, you don’t allow yourself to listen to alternative talking points.

At some point people need to look at statistics and make a wise personal choice for themselves and their family. The politicians have killed all debate on masks, shutdowns, natural immunity in the name of “science”.

 

[Big Hawk D-Port]

Except that when you are so hard core for one side of the discussion, you don’t allow yourself to listen to alternative talking points.

At some point people need to look at statistics and make a wise personal choice for themselves and their family. The politicians have killed all debate on masks, shutdowns, natural immunity in the name of “science”.

Yes I didn’t say he is correct, just that he clearly has data organized and is a good writer.

 

[Joes Place]

Except that when you are so hard core for one side of the discussion, you don’t allow yourself to listen to alternative talking points.

What are your "alternative talking points"?

Drinking your own pee?
Eating horse paste?