As things stand right now you’re probably right
75% of Democratic Voters don't want Joe to run again
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This proves that Dems are better than Rs. Joe struggles and the Dems call for more. Trump tries to overthrow the government and Rs clamor for his endorsement. I only wish that Gassley and Reynolds had the level of integrity as Democrats.
Obviously, that's why I said it wasn't a serious question.
Some people would rather have a failed presidency based on chasing their most progressive views than a successful presidency based on a more middle of the road.
Again, Manchin and Sinema support Biden 90%+ of the time. It's he (and you) who insist on living in the 10%. It's an "Either its everything, or nothing" philosophy. That's a perfectly fine position to take as an activist or a message board warrior.
But it's also a recipe for an utterly failed presidency. You still have to do politics. Blaming it on everyone else doesn't change that.
And yes, there's plenty of evidence that someone that's been in politics for 40 years isn't as good at it as you need to be to be president. After all, he's been trying for decades, and needed Trump to get over the hump. But even if you grant that there was a time he might have been a good president (few agreed then), you would have to pretend his faculties today are the same as they were 20 years ago. Which, you probably do.
The Joe Biden of 20 years ago was still in command of all his faculties. He had built a consistent reputation as a compromise vote and a fairly centrist deal maker despite being also known as a bit of a blowhard. Obama agreed to have him on the ticket because he was considered more of an experienced moderate and thus he helped offset fears and trepidation about uncharted waters as a first time African American seeking the Presidency.
When he was elected I was very hopeful that his longtime Senate relationships would help him govern somewhat moderately. It hasn’t happened and his (former) friend in the Senate Joe Manchin has **saved** the country.
Unfortunately his mental and physical decline means that his advisers (handlers) are basically running things and they’re more aligned with the Progressive Democrats - some very poor choices as to agendas and legislation have done Biden NO favors.
It really is time for two new candidates and yes - it’s a great shame that Klobuchar was not the VP pick. Had she been the Presidential nominee I could have voted for her.
Economy was the major reason. That and his foreign policy failures.
It was a serious question answered with a lot of horsecrap. That 10% is HUGE!! Plus, that isn’t counting the refusal to allow filibuster reform…which blocks voting rights. Infrastructure. Codifying Roe. These are things the majority of the country wants, Biden is right, and Manchin blocks. If the Republicans gain the House, voting rights continue to be attacked - like even in this new electoral college bill, which would give governors the sole right to certify the votes - again, we won’t be a democratic republic. Manchin could protect that and refuses.
Should we do his thoughts on lowering prescription drug costs next? Because he blocks that too. How about getting us away from oil dependence? Joe blocks that as well…because his big oil donors say so.
Do you guys really think that Biden has any say on whether he runs for a second term?
No Biden, no Trumps, no Bushes and no Clintons. Please!
I don't think it's ego as much as pride and a lack of recognition that he's probably not up to the challenge. There's a reason most families have difficult discussions about taking mom or dad's car keys.
Biden was the perfect bridge president. With the mess after Drumpf and the pandemic, whomever the president was would be pulling poorly. He is a high character person, which is exactly what the nation needed. Democrats are not blindly stupid, they recognize when it is time to turn the page to new candidates, which is why you see the %75 figure.
Then why did the rank and file Democrat voter not want him in 2020? If I recall, he finished a distant 3rd in Iowa. He was installed as nominee by the party insiders and superdelegates. If the selection had been left up to the voters, it would not have been Biden. The nation did not need a feeble old man suffering from dementia who screwed up our exit from Afghanistan, screwed up the southern border, caused double digit inflation, doubled gas prices, helped start a proxy war in Ukraine, caused the crime rate to spike in every major city, and crippled our energy production. The reason 75% of Democrats do not want him to run is they would like to win in 2024 and Biden has been such an utter disaster that even the media can see that any Republican, even one as terrible as Trump, would wipe the floor with him in 2024.
He is not a "high character" person. He's been a liar, cheat, and plagiarist his entire career. In fact, I don't think he even knows when he's lying anymore.
She is. She was just wearing a blue pantsuit in a meeting.
This!
I sat out the 2016 presidential election because both candidates were horrible. 2020 was even worse. I was never going to vote for Trump. I knew Biden would be a horrible president (and I was right) but voted for him because I didn’t want to sit out another presidential election.
I wanted Amy. We got Joe because The Party didn’t want Bernie as the nominee. Joe has been a disaster. I hope and pray we get neither Trump or Joe in ‘24.
Another one that shouldn’t be running who I’m really hoping will lose.
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Lol! He had to be the candidate as he drew a certain demographic away from Trump and was the candidate most likely to beat him.(Trump knew this and is why he did NOT want to go against Biden)
I’d like to have you not post as much Mr moderate Republican.(CNN)A new CNN poll finds 75% of Democratic and Democratic-leaning voters want the party to nominate someone other than President Joe Biden in the 2024 election, a sharp increase from earlier this year.
That's an insane number....
CNN Poll: 75% of Democratic voters want someone other than Biden in 2024
A new CNN poll finds 75% of Democratic and Democratic-leaning voters want the party to nominate someone other than President Joe Biden in the 2024 election, a sharp increase from earlier this year.www.cnn.com
Shirley you joust. The only thing he has stabilized was Americans disbelief in its leaders.
Carter was actually still ahead in the polls in October 1980, then people really started to think about the prospect another 4 years of shit and said "Nope!!"
Terrible tactic but since the conservatives haven't been statesmen for 25+ years what are you going to do? BTW I'm a registered republican so I can sabotage their primaries. Tired of my team always taking the high road. It has not won us a lot:
Multiple republicant presidents that didn't win the popular vote
Republicans that don't legislate, they just stone wall
Merrick Garland not getting a vote.
When we thought Garland rules were in play ACB gets pushed through
Roe v Wade with 50 years of settled case law gets overturned.
Looks like the democrats are finally getting in the mud to play with the pigs.
I hope so. I’m tired of Republicans kicking their asses. Michelle Obama’s “we go high” doesn’t work.
@BrunoMars420. I need your amazing thoughts and input here to refute FACTS over a laugh
I just find it funny that you white knight the shit out of Biden when the majority here is in agreement that he was the bridge and the anybody but trump moderate democrat. He did his duty but If you truly think he is your guy in 2024 then #godspeed. If you look at literally any poll or on HORT, no one wants 2 old queefs going at it in 2024
He's had more bipartisan accomplishments than anyone as President in DECADES. How the **** do you not see this?
Perfect bridge? Have you looked at energy prices or inflation or stock prices lately?
High character? I might have thought that, too, at election time, but he blatantly lies about all manner of things on a daily basis. These aren't small lies either. And of course more information is coming out about his dealings with Hunter's businesses, and how they potentially compromise Joe's foreign policy with Ukraine and China.
You are right. At least 75% of Dems aren't blindly stupid. You will find a few of the 25% posting in this thread however.
finance85 thinks it’s biden’s fault that energy and inflation are high… here’s your sign.
But that decision was not left up to the voters. It was taken away from them by the DNC powerbrokers. The RNC didn't want Trump in 2016. They tried to sell the country on freaking Jeb Bush but the voters didn't want any part of him. Granted, Trump was aided by Hillary's Pied Piper Strategy, but at least the RNC left the vote up to the general public and not to party insiders. Had the Democrats done that in 2020, Biden would not be in office today, which was my point when I disagreed with your earlier post. Democrat voters very well may not be blindly stupid, but until the party does away with superdelegates, their vote does not matter. The insiders will select the candidate and come November, the general public will "vote Blue no matter who." Which is why it is so difficult to get anyone under 65 years of age on a national ticket.
Just to be clear, my argument is not that it's a dirty tactic. It's that with a potential wave election coming, it's likely to result in the election of the worst kind of MAGA Republicans while they decry the threat to democracy.
It's not unlike the Senate refusing to pass protection for gay marriage while they can, because they would rather have the issue. Meanwhile, there's a substantial chance that the opportunity will pass after the midterms.
It's not dirty politics, nor the hypocricy, that I find appalling. It's acting in ways that do specific real damage to causes that they supposedly care about for marginal, purely political advantage.
