No, of course I don't. I don't think you will find a single poster on here who does.
8 Dead / 45 Wounded in Chicago last weekend - WHO CARES?!!!!
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No, of course I don't. I don't think you will find a single poster on here who does.
I read exactly what they had to say. Sherman, when not being angry, is very reasonable and I agree with him. Bennett, though sensible, and well thought, is not sharing my nor Richards opinion.
Is attempting to take a cops gun away, the kind of behavior that could lead you to getting shot by said cop?
Schaumburg and Crystal Lake. Crystal Lake was called the "super boonies" by Channel 7 weatherman John Coleman.
I'll let Pepp continue with his gotcha, not sure why you are attempting to hijack it.
People are judging him because on the field he has an in-your-face persona and has a skin color that is often attributed to that kind of persona, however accurate or inaccurate that may be. I can't recall I've heard anyone call Teddy Bridgewater a thug.
Blacks Lives Matter, (the group)our POTUS and all the race hustlers do not care a bit about black on black crime. The reason is it does not advance their agendas
There is no "gotcha" here. If the BLM movement wishes to hitch itself to idiot thugs like Mike Brown, then you'll find most people see right through it. Hence, no need for a gotcha.
It also does nothing for the cause when these idiots burn their own neighborhoods to protest what they perceive as an injustice.
And to conclude, by treating cops the way they treat them (blaming them, filming their every action, and attempting to bait them into interactions) the whole BLM movement will end up with LESS of a police presence in their neighborhoods. Which will lead to more black-on-black crime, and the silence about it will be heard by most of us rational folks.
We know who you support, and have the right to form opinions as such.
You have always been the most vocal anti-Mike Brown on here, and no I'm not saying that as a bad thing, just as a fact. Fine, but the people don't agree with you, or your conclusions.
BUT, of course, if you want to ridicule and debase them for supporting a Michael Brown.............sure, go ahead, THAT makes sense.
What does NOT make sense is trying to ridicule and debase them for not publicly protesting every single black killing, or even any of the black killings. Their movement, whether you agree with it or not, is not complicated. They are upset that government officials are a) shooting and killing blacks at a high rate, b) are not investigated nor prosecuted for it, and the same goes for other killings of blacks where b) is prevalent.
Simply pointing to black killings doesn't defeat the above point. I'm not supporting, nor opposing, any group in these. I am pointing out the absurdity of all of these threads.
Should we next post a slew of driving-death threads and laugh at MADD for not protesting them? Of course not, that would be absurd.
Obviously we have seen a huge uptick in filming these incidents, especially with law enforcement. It has increased the ever-annoying voyeur crowd. BUT it has also led to filming many incidents we would NEVER have known about, because the police reports were lies (or likely would have been).
...which is precisely the complaint of Black Lives Matter.
Overall, I think posters like OP just want the group renamed: Please government stop killing us and trying to cover it up.
...which is precisely the complaint of Black Lives Matter.
Overall, I think posters like OP just want the group renamed: Please government stop killing us and trying to cover it up.
What the Hell does BlackLivesMatter have to do with cherry picking crime rates? Chicago isn't even in the top 30 most violent cities in the country. Where's the outrage over Detroit or Oakland?
The third solution is giving young people “alternative paths” from crime by “investing in early childhood education,” and spending more for better schools.
The fourth solution, Obama said, is “our own responsibility,” adding, “We have control in our own community,” referring to individuals and local governments.
“There are a whole bunch of folks who have really tough backgrounds, that come from terrible circumstances, and are really poor, but they don’t go around shooting somebody,” Obama said. “They don’t beat somebody over the head for sneakers or because they looked at them the wrong way.”
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OBAMA: But that doesn't mean we don't have work -- because if we're honest with ourselves, we know that too few of our brothers have the opportunities that you've had here at Morehouse. In troubled neighborhoods all across this country -- many of them heavily African American -- too few of our citizens have role models to guide them. Communities just a couple miles from my house in Chicago, communities just a couple miles from here -- they're places where jobs are still too scarce and wages are still too low; where schools are underfunded and violence is pervasive; where too many of our men spend their youth not behind a desk in a classroom, but hanging out on the streets or brooding behind a jail cell.
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OBAMA: So be a good role model, set a good example for that young brother coming up. If you know somebody who's not on point, go back and bring that brother along -- those who've been left behind, who haven't had the same opportunities we have -- they need to hear from you. [White House, 5/19/13]
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Obama Created "My Brother's Keeper" Initiative "To Help Young Men Of Color." In July, Obama announced an expansion of his "My Brother's Keeper" initiative, aimed at "bolstering the lives of young minority men and boys":
The goals of My Brother's Keeper are broadly to help young men of color at critical moments of their lives, including early literacy, high school and in the teens and early 20s when so many are sucked into the so-called school-to-prison pipeline.
"We want fewer young men in jail, we want more of them in college," Obama said on Monday. "We want fewer young men on the streets, we want more of them in the boardrooms. We want everybody to have a chance to succeed in America." [MSNBC.com, 7/21/14]
It's interesting that you want to keep black people from voting because they will vote against you.
Except they are not "shooting and killing blacks at a high rate"
Certainly no higher than whites and let's not confuse cops that justifiably shoot and kill blacks. Leftists like to twist facts and include those numbers to make it fit their dishonest agenda.
Now, I am guessing of we look at stats for B on W crime or B on cop murders, it is much higher than the other way around.
But again, hurts the narrative and we can't have that. It may cost dems votes
Nice try. Liberals are the worst. This is why you people can't be trusted. You just make shit up like that and your voting block believes it.
Dems only pretend to want to help. They want votes and power.
The non leftists generally wants everyone to succeed.
The well informed blacks know the democrat party is horrible for "their people". They understand what is going on.
Over 90% of black people vote Democratic. What do you think is more likely? That 9 out of 10 black people are ill-informed, or that the GOP is so horrible at policy that they drove black people to the Democrats?
Considering that practically every minority group votes Democratic I know which option I would take. Or are you claiming that every minority group is made up of stupid people?
Do you see why your argument is so ridiculous?
9 out of 10 black people vote against the Republicans. To explain this, you argue that these black people must be too stupid to know who to vote for. Please explain how calling 9 out of 10 black people stupid is a good way to prove that the GOP is good for black people?
9 out of 10 black people vote against the Republicans. To explain this, you argue that these black people must be too stupid to know who to vote for. Please explain how calling 9 out of 10 black people stupid is a good way to prove that the GOP is good for black people?
It is exactly because of THIS:
You dishonest pieces of crap control nearly all of the media and always have. You control messaging. You have convinced them that R's are bad.
Just look at the ridiculous way in which the media/Democrat party helped Obama beat Romney.
-War on Women
-Binders full of women
-Romney hates Big Bird
-Romney was responsible for a guys wife dying because of lack of health care
-R's don't want poors and minorities to vote!
-R's hate old people!!
-R's hate gay people!
-R's hate poor people!
-R's hate black people!
-R's only represent the 1% and don't pay their "fair share"
the list goes on and on.
So, yes. It is fear and a whole lot of ignorance and a good portion of it is the democrats promise "free stuff".
Good point, where is your outrage over Detroit and Oakland? Does it take a white on black shooting to peak your interest? Why are you so biased when it comes to shootings? Do you really care, or does your Liberal background just make you good at pretending to care?
You're quite right. Your example would be ridiculous:
MOTHERS AGAINST DRUNK DRIVING - has zero connection to non-drunk driver deaths due to automobile accidents. Will clearly protest ANY drunk driver death regardless of the races involved.
BLACK LIVES MATTER - just might have a connection to black people dying at the hands of other people. But clearly doesn't give a rip when it's a black person taking the life of another black person.
You whiffed.
Except it doesn't. Just because you can see how it would does not define their movement.
All you are arguing for is a change in name, which seems to have little to do with the OP.
This article certainly disagrees with you.
http://m.motherjones.com/politics/2014/08/police-shootings-michael-brown-ferguson-black-men
http://m.motherjones.com/politics/2014/08/police-shootings-michael-brown-ferguson-black-men
RIC? NW? DDD?
when did Lucas become a 12 year old girl with uncommon (though not NW) acronyms for everything?
RIC is a world leading medical facility and for people generally familiar with Chicago I thought it was an accepted acronym. NW doesn't seem that obtuse. DDD is familiar to anyone with a TV that gets the Food Network.
Just pointing out there was a shooting that didn't receive much attention. It seems to me that the point of this thread was to signal some general shame onto Chicago, it's mayor, Barack Obama, and a whole string of Democratic politicians rather than focusing one tiny little bit of light on gun violence and how it affects all corners of America. Even churches on a Sunday morning. You'd think a former Baptist minister like Mike Huckabee would decry gun violence inside a church.
I am sorry that I am being so obtuse for so many of you fellows tonight.
No, because you're complaining that people are ignoring all the crime in Chicago while you are ignoring all the crime in the really dangerous places like Detroit.
BLM are ridiculed for a couple of reasons. First, that their movement was born on a false narrative associated with the Michael Brown incident. Second, that they completely avoid any issues dealing with Black on Black crime. And when confronted with questions about that issue, they won't address it, or work in the community to curb the problem......which is a far bigger problem in the black community. And lastly, they only work using bully tactics. They don't engage civilly. They show up, shout down, and act like idiots.
They are their own worst enemy.
The solution to a large part of the problem is curbing the behavior of young black men when confronted by police, and largely destroying the behavior patterns that are widely accepted in the black community. YEs....thee are issues with police departments and we can agree on that, but it's a two way street. They largely respond based on the behavior patterns that are displayed to them day after day, year after year, and decade after decade. Both sides need to work on how they deal with each other.
Pointing out black on black violence, exposes the falsehoods in the narrative that BLM perpetuates. To them, lives matter for the reasons they want to protest. Anything outside of that realm gets no attention from them, and the fact that they beat the drum to false narratives and cling to them, takes away a lot of credibility...which is why most people roll their eyes at their antics.
If BLM decided to focus on the roots of Black on Black crime, and why black males in low income neighborhoods act out in certain ways, then try to curb that behavior by creating options and better ways for young black men........they would get a lot more respect from the public at large.
However, they way they are choosing to go about their cause......turns most people away from it, and close their ears to it. People don't want to be shouted at....they want to have a civil discussion with facts and solutions.
Precisely my point. That isn't the purpose of the movement. Which is why it is absurd for people to start these threads every single time thinking it proves hypocrisy....it doesn't.
It may be a "far bigger problem in the black community" in your opinion. These people, this movement, are upset that their GOVERNMENT is killing them without investigation in to the perpetrators. That is their belief, and they are upset about it.
Who do you want them to protest? The suspect in jail for committing murder?
For this to be true, it would have to be the narrative that you, and the OP, claim their narrative is. What do YOU believe their narrative is? Simply that "black lives matter"? You derive it entirely from the name? So, again, all you really want is a name change. Their purpose has been made clear time and again: Black lives should matter to government, so stop killing them/start investigating the killings. The entire premise of this thread is fraudulent....the person alleged to commit the murder has been investigated and arrested. If they are upset that government isn't investigating....why would this incident upset them more?
So, again, what do you believe the narrative is?
Bullshit, absolute bullshit. Who wants to have a civil discussion on this? The OP? Nobody wants to have a civil discussion on this. The majority of non-blacks believe this is a black issue and want blacks to fix it...........hence the multitude of posts/blogs/talking heads ridiculing Black Lives Matter/Black leaders for not fixing it.
I watched the debates, I don't remember any "civil discussion with facts and solutions" on big city murders. (although I didn't really hear any civil discussions with either facts or solutions on any topic)
