80% support voter ID

[binsfeldcyhawk2]

Dems have to drop the “voter ID is voter suppression” BS.

Redirect Notice

Concentrate on getting rid of gerrymandering, increase early voting and ensuring enough polling places. Those are the main issues IMO.

Manchins plan is the way to go

Joe Manchin’s sweeping new voting rights proposal, explained

The pivotal senator has released a potentially transformative plan to promote fair elections.

www.google.com

 

[The Tradition]

Dems have to drop the “voter ID is voter suppression” BS.

Redirect Notice

Concentrate on getting rid of gerrymandering, increase early voting and ensuring enough polling places. Those are the main issues IMO.

Manchins plan is the way to go

Joe Manchin’s sweeping new voting rights proposal, explained

The pivotal senator has released a potentially transformative plan to promote fair elections.

www.google.com

https://www.washingtonpost.com/powerpost/senate-voting-rights-obama-manchin/2021/06/22/31714c52-d358-11eb-9f29-e9e6c9e843c6_story.html?outputType=amp

 

[JRHawk2003]

It is suppression, but you are right that Gerrymandering is a greater evil and I could live with it if Gerrymandering was ended. Bye Bye Dan Crenshaw.

 

[binsfeldcyhawk2]

It is suppression, but you are right that Gerrymandering is a greater evil and I could live with it if Gerrymandering was ended. Bye Bye Dan Crenshaw.

Disagree, almost all of Europe requires voter ID and they generally have higher turnout than we do. I’ve always thought it was a pretty ridiculous argument.

I think gerrymandering is the #1 target.

 

[cigaretteman]

Republican lies work well, unfortunately.

 

[goldmom]

Republican lies work well, unfortunately.

You silly person.

 

[z_ape]

gerrymandering is quite the word. it sounds like what old people do when they masturbate

 

[IowaHawkeyeFBnBB4Life]

You need an ID for everything, except voting.

 

[timinatoria]

Republican lies work well, unfortunately.

So well they work in Europe!

 

[JRHawk2003]

gerrymandering is quite the word. it sounds like what old people do when they masturbate

Its named for someone. Its a verb formed from a proper noun.

Elbridge Gerry

 

[JRHawk2003]

Disagree, almost all of Europe requires voter ID and they generally have higher turnout than we do. I’ve always thought it was a pretty ridiculous argument.

I think gerrymandering is the #1 target.

Its pretty much required to vote there.

30% of our population is oblivious to who the President even is.

 

[onlyTheObvious]

Standardized national ID card. Replaces drivers license.

a chip embedded in it (like debit credit cards) allows states to link it to as much or as little other crap as they want.

simple.

 

[Whatsgoingonwitgyouguys0190]

Just as long as getting an ID is simple and one for just voting is free. I know it can be hard for some people to get IDs because their county seat is the only place to get it and it is a long ways away from them

 

[NorthernHawkeye]

If Democrats want to put ro rest the concerns of election fraud, they'd be 100% behind voter ID laws. Of course they don't because it would prevent them from making the same claims when they lose.

 

[Whatsgoingonwitgyouguys0190]

If Democrats want to put ro rest the concerns of election fraud, they'd be 100% behind voter ID laws. Of course they don't because it would prevent them from making the same claims when they lose.

Rabble rabble rabble rabble

 

[SoMplsHawkI]

Dems have to drop the “voter ID is voter suppression” BS.

Redirect Notice

Concentrate on getting rid of gerrymandering, increase early voting and ensuring enough polling places. Those are the main issues IMO.

Manchins plan is the way to go

Joe Manchin’s sweeping new voting rights proposal, explained

The pivotal senator has released a potentially transformative plan to promote fair elections.

www.google.com

What's bullshit is that lack of in-person voter ID has changed the outcome of an election. It's a solution in search of a problem. This is being politicized by cons, not dems. Now why would they want to do that?

What's bullshit is that voter ID will make an election more secure. Again, politicized by cons, not dems.
Again, why would they want to do that.

But I'll play along and swap voter ID for gerrymander reform. Think cons will?

 

[binsfeldcyhawk2]

Get rid of the ability to Gerrymander and you'll kick the R's right where it hurts. That's the real battle.

 

[icantfindausernamethatisntused]

The "voter ID" debate has been so polarized that it seems like many lose sight of the actual arguments that aren't entirely black and white.

What I think should be relatively non-controversial:

• Some form of identification is needed to ensure an individual is a US citizen entitled to vote.
  • ^Does anyone actually disagree and think that any person who shows up ought to be able to vote?
• Valid forms of voter ID should be made easily available to any US citizen that wants it.
  • A driver's license, on average, costs $75-$175 to obtain which might represent a significant burden to some folks. A cheaper
• Voter ID laws should be enforced in a consistent manner.
  • It could be easy to use voter ID laws as a pretext to inhibit voters from certain areas/demographics. We need to make sure that voter ID laws are not used as a weapon, for example:
    • Minorities are often questioned for ID more than whites.
    • Some states allow certain types of ID and disallow other, equally as reliable types of ID.

 

[SoMplsHawkI]

Standardized national ID card. Replaces drivers license.

a chip embedded in it (like debit credit cards) allows states to link it to as much or as little other crap as they want.

simple.

You want the government to be able to track me with a chip???

 

[mthawkeyes]

If Democrats want to put ro rest the concerns of election fraud, they'd be 100% behind voter ID laws. Of course they don't because it would prevent them from making the same claims when they lose.

If Republicans actually wanted to address election fraud, they would accept Manchin's proposal.
https://iowa.forums.rivals.com/thre...blicans-and-they-slap-him-in-the-face.360233/
It's almost as if their evidence-free claims about election fraud are just a guise to suppress turnout among the "wrong" people.

 

[binsfeldcyhawk2]

What's bullshit is that lack of in-person voter ID has changed the outcome of an election. It's a solution in search of a problem. This is being politicized by cons, not dems. Now why would they want to do that?

What's bullshit is that voter ID will make an election more secure. Again, politicized by cons, not dems.
Again, why would they want to do that.

But I'll play along and swap voter ID for gerrymander reform. Think cons will?

Voter ID has never been controversial for me....I just don't see it as voter suppression.

Voter ID is the R's main talking point....always has been. Take it off the table.

There's been plenty of polling that show that reforming the way districts are formed is very popular. Concentrate on that, early voting and you have a winner.....R's won't be able to fall back on Voter ID.

I just think it's been a loser position for Dems....

 

[dgordo]

Strawman, every state requires an Id to be able to vote.

 

[binsfeldcyhawk2]

If Republicans actually wanted to address election fraud, they would accept Manchin's proposal.
https://iowa.forums.rivals.com/thre...blicans-and-they-slap-him-in-the-face.360233/
It's almost as if their evidence-free claims about election fraud are just a guise to suppress turnout among the "wrong" people.

Manchin's proposal is very reasonable....beat the R's over the head with it. He takes voter ID out of their ammunition belt....they'll be shooting blanks.

 

[NorthernHawkeye]

If Republicans actually wanted to address election fraud, they would accept Manchin's proposal.
https://iowa.forums.rivals.com/thre...blicans-and-they-slap-him-in-the-face.360233/
It's almost as if their evidence-free claims about election fraud are just a guise to suppress turnout among the "wrong" people.

You're displaying the soft bigotry of low expectations.

This video shows how liberals think and how minorities feel about about it.

 

[joelbc1]

Manchin and Obama are showing their political genius here. The Dems are going to give the Repubbers everything they say they need to support this voting bill....and then they (the Repubbers) will not support it. Then all America...including Republicans, will understand that the GOP opposes everything that is beneficial to America.
"Progressive" Dems better be sitting back and seeing what Manchin has been doing here the past month or so.

 

[joelbc1]

What's bullshit is that lack of in-person voter ID has changed the outcome of an election. It's a solution in search of a problem. This is being politicized by cons, not dems. Now why would they want to do that?

What's bullshit is that voter ID will make an election more secure. Again, politicized by cons, not dems.
Again, why would they want to do that.

But I'll play along and swap voter ID for gerrymander reform. Think cons will?

When I was 19-20 years old, I had an ID that said I was 21 so I could "prove" I was of legal age to consume alcohol. It always worked. I figured as long as I didn't abuse it (over use it) it would work for me. How do you think "fake voter IDs" will not be generated and used?
BUT....if you think this is what is needed to make elections "genuine"......have at it! But boyz....it is a silly idea.

 

[Joes Place]

Dems have to drop the “voter ID is voter suppression” BS.

Only if there are robust protections in place to minimize the risks of it being used to suppress legal voters. Like digital copies of IDs at your polling station, so if you cannot find it, they can pull up your ID on file and see if it is "you".

Absolutely no reason people need to carry a "card" around; take file-photos of everyone registering, and verify eligibility upon registration.

 

[binsfeldcyhawk2]

When I was 19-20 years old, I had an ID that said I was 21 so I could "prove" I was of legal age to consume alcohol. It always worked. I figured as long as I didn't abuse it (over use it) it would work for me. How do you think "fake voter IDs" will not be generated and used?
BUT....if you think this is what is needed to make elections "genuine"......have at it! But boyz....it is a silly idea.

I'm thinking the market for fake ID's to drink underage is much more lucrative than fake voter ID's.

 

[Joes Place]

Voter ID has never been controversial for me....I just don't see it as voter suppression.

You don't pay attention to how it is abused.

 

[Joes Place]

I'm thinking the market for fake ID's to drink underage is much more lucrative than fake voter ID's.

Not if you can overturn an election with them.

Note that we haven't been able to identify a SINGLE case of voter fraud where an ID would have prevented it. PLENTY of cases of non-ID fraud (mostly committed by GOP voters)

 

[binsfeldcyhawk2]

You don't pay attention to how it is abused.

I lived in Germany for a couple decades. They did just fine.....as does the majority of the rest of Europe.

Gerrymandering is much, much more important issue.

 

[binsfeldcyhawk2]

Not if you can overturn an election with them.

Note that we haven't been able to identify a SINGLE case of voter fraud where an ID would have prevented it. PLENTY of cases of non-ID fraud (mostly committed by GOP voters)

You're barking up the wrong tree here. Requiring voter ID is a non-issue for me and quite frankly I think opposition is pretty ridiculous.

 

[kc78]

I don't think Voter ID is necessary, but if we can find a way to do it that doesn't disenfranchise the poor, elderly, and homeless then I'm ok with it. It just seems like an answer for a problem we don't really have. I agree with you. I'm far more interested in getting rid of political gerrymandering. The fact that we allow the party in power to map the districts so they can increase their own power is insane.

The other major issue is Republicans closing polling stations in urban, high minority areas making it more difficult to vote. I'd be more than happy to give you voting id if we got rid of those two issues.

 

[mthawkeyes]

You're displaying the soft bigotry of low expectations.

This video shows how liberals think and how minorities feel about about it.

View embedded media

How in the f*** is this related to the post you replied to?

1. Republicans say they're concerned about fraud.
2. Manchin's bill addresses concerns about fraud.
3. Republicans come up with other flakey reasons to oppose bill.

 

[SoMplsHawkI]

Voter ID has never been controversial for me....I just don't see it as voter suppression.

The disturbing link between voter ID and Jim Crow

Sometimes, American history seems less about the past than it is about a cycle: awful things visited upon us over and over.

www.freep.com

Voter ID is the R's main talking point....always has been. Take it off the table.

There's been plenty of polling that show that reforming the way districts are formed is very popular. Concentrate on that, early voting and you have a winner.....R's won't be able to fall back on Voter ID.

If I thought con's would negotiate in good faith...

 

[binsfeldcyhawk2]

If I could wave a magic wand I'd like to see 20 days early voting as a minimum standard AND I'd count absentee ballots as they come in. Don't really want to see another Pennsylvania shit show. Need a election result as quickly as possible....

 

[cigaretteman]

The disturbing link between voter ID and Jim Crow

Sometimes, American history seems less about the past than it is about a cycle: awful things visited upon us over and over.

www.freep.com

If I thought con's would negotiate in good faith...

Which they have amply demonstrated that they do not, and only care about blocking anything that is for the good of the country from passing during the Biden presidency.

 

[MeetTheFerentz]

Dems have to drop the “voter ID is voter suppression” BS.

My take on this is that requiring an ID to vote is not the problem. Here are some of the actual issues:
1) Folks who live in urban settings tend to move a lot, so it is much more likely for them to not have an ID with a current address. This may not be a requirement - I know I have voted before with a driver's license with an old address - but a white middle class man probably isn't going to get the same pushback from poll workers that an urban POC would.
2) Folks who live in urban settings tend to have a more difficult time getting to a place that issues government IDs. It is also very well known that these places located in urban settings tend to suddenly close or have restricted business hours when it gets close to election time.
3) Most forms of ID cost $. Forking out $50 for a driver's license renewal might just seem like a pain in the butt you'd rather not have for many people, but for many others it is an extreme financial burden.

If everyone were able to have a free and easily attainable form of ID that is acceptable for voting purposes, this wouldn't be a problem.

 

[globalhawk]

Dems have to drop the “voter ID is voter suppression” BS.

Redirect Notice

Concentrate on getting rid of gerrymandering, increase early voting and ensuring enough polling places. Those are the main issues IMO.

Manchins plan is the way to go

Joe Manchin’s sweeping new voting rights proposal, explained

The pivotal senator has released a potentially transformative plan to promote fair elections.

www.google.com

I'd 100 percent be for Voter ID and an independent council for redistricting!

 

[binsfeldcyhawk2]

I'd 100 percent be for Voter ID and an independent counsel for redistricting!

me too.