After watching the highlights of Isaiah Moss, today

[IowaNiceHawk]

My starting lineup for this Fall is now set:

1) Jordan Bohannon
2 ISAIAH MOSS
3) Nicholas Baer
4) Pemsl/Kreiner/Garza
5) Tyler Cook

Well, I guess it's pretty much set.

Really do like how back court is coming out though.
Brady & Christian will get a lot of Mins backing up Jordan & Isaiah

GO HAWKS

 

[DanL53]

Bohannon 30 mpg, Williams/Dailey 10 mpg
Moss 25 mpg, Ellingson 15 mpg
Baer 25 mg, Nunge/Dailey 15 mpg
Cook 25 mpg, Pemsl 15 mpg
Kriener 20 mpg, Garza 20 mpg

I would love to see Williams win the battle for backup at point AND have an adjustable small or big substitute at wing.

This leaves Uhl and Wagner on the outs but always good to have experienced backup in foul situations.

 

[HoustonREDHawk]

Bohannon 30 mpg, Williams/Dailey 10 mpg
Moss 25 mpg, Ellingson 15 mpg
Baer 25 mg, Nunge/Dailey 15 mpg
Cook 25 mpg, Pemsl 15 mpg
Kriener 20 mpg, Garza 20 mpg

I would love to see Williams win the battle for backup at point AND have an adjustable small or big substitute at wing.

This leaves Uhl and Wagner on the outs but always good to have experienced backup in foul situations.

It would be nice to keep everyone's minutes at about 25 mpg or less, to keep them fresh and allow them to go all out. I don't know how minutes are going to shake out, but I will be surprised if the coaches don't find 10 mpg for Wagner. Uhl is a complete wildcard at this point, but I think he could surprise (finally!). Just guessing, I think Wagner is likely to get more minutes than Dailey, and the coaches might have him playing more of a 3 on defense and 4 on offense to make it work (maybe paired with Nunge)... This really is the deepest Iowa team in a long time.

 

[The Sleeping Dog]

Based on what we saw last year I shiver every minute Christian is on the floor. He's becoming a good defensive player but he is death walking on offense. The team stops moving, he can't throw it in Lake McBride and the defense immediately sags off him. There has to be major improvement on offense.

 

[Hawk68]

Seem to be real short on shooters with that starting 5.

 

[BlackNGoldBleeder]

Is it possible at some point in the season Garza starts at the 5? He looks like a pretty good-sized kid already for a true freshman and from what, albeit little, highlights I've seen of him he seems pretty mature and has good footwork in the post.

For me, I think Iowa's best starting lineup come B1G conference play is:
PG-JBo
SG-Moss
SF-Baer
PF-Cook
C--Garza

I know a lot of people see Uhl and Wagner as the odd men out, and I see that for Uhl, but I think Wagner is too strong and athletic to keep off the court. Also, I'm not sold on Brady Ellingson being the answer at backup PG. Unless his ball handling has improved a lot, I just don't see it.

 

[RocknRollface]

Seem to be real short on shooters with that starting 5.

Not really. Shooters at the 1-3 spots, Kreiner can also shoot and I wouldn't be surprised to see him starting some.

 

[BlackNGoldBleeder]

Seem to be real short on shooters with that starting 5.

Peter Jok shot 37.7% from 3 last year and was arguably Iowa's best shooter last season.

Bohannon shot 39%, Baer 38.7%, and Moss 36.4% from 3.

Honestly, I don't see shooting and scoring as an issue for Iowa next season.

 

[hawk-i bob]

other than a couple locks (Cook,Baer,JBo)....how & the heck is Fran going to decide minutes...my land.

 

[The Sleeping Dog]

Peter Jok shot 37.7% from 3 last year and was arguably Iowa's best shooter last season.

Bohannon shot 39%, Baer 38.7%, and Moss 36.4% from 3.

Honestly, I don't see shooting and scoring as an issue for Iowa next season.

and Ellingson at 47% off the bench. I don't think scoring will be a problem either.

 

[MWardT]

Bohannon 30 mpg, Williams/Dailey 10 mpg
Moss 25 mpg, Ellingson 15 mpg
Baer 25 mg, Nunge/Dailey 15 mpg
Cook 25 mpg, Pemsl 15 mpg
Kriener 20 mpg, Garza 20 mpg

I would love to see Williams win the battle for backup at point AND have an adjustable small or big substitute at wing.

This leaves Uhl and Wagner on the outs but always good to have experienced backup in foul situations.

Where do you see Wagner fitting in? Certainly he would play ahead of Nunge and Dailey. Could he play the three?

I hope Williams does not play point guard. He is so much better and/or natural off the ball (see his Freshman year).

 

[RocknRollface]

other than a couple locks (Cook,Baer,JBo)....how & the heck is Fran going to decide minutes...my land.

Id say Moss is pretty much a lock for big minutes too.

 

[DanL53]

Where do you see Wagner fitting in? Certainly he would play ahead of Nunge and Dailey. Could he play the three?

I hope Williams does not play point guard. He is so much better and/or natural off the ball (see his Freshman year).

I don't know, I'm just fooling around.

Dailey 6'8" pg
Baer 6'8" sg
Nunge 6'11" wf
Garza 6'10" pf
Kriener 6'9" post

Zone on D" Spread 'em out and shoot threes or post up anybody we want. That's a lineup for the non-conference, for a little while, one game.

 

[doughawk]

Barring injuries, Nunge will play more the Wagner. Wagner is a 4 behind Cook and Pemsl.
Nunge is a 3 behind Baer and can play some 4,5,and 2 if needed as Fran has told him.

 

[Phenomenally Frantastic]

Seem to be real short on shooters with that starting 5.

Huh? Bo, Moss are proven threats and Baer was stroking 45% from three there for a stretch at the end of last B1G season.

 

[MWardT]

Bohannon 30 mpg, Williams/Dailey 10 mpg
Moss 25 mpg, Ellingson 15 mpg
Baer 25 mg, Nunge/Dailey 15 mpg
Cook 25 mpg, Pemsl 15 mpg
Kriener 20 mpg, Garza 20 mpg

I would love to see Williams win the battle for backup at point AND have an adjustable small or big substitute at wing.

This leaves Uhl and Wagner on the outs but always good to have experienced backup in foul situations.

Forgot about Dom Uhl too. To bad Iowa can't play 8 guys at a time next year, minutes are going to be tough to come by.

Probably fair to say we can expect a steady amount of minutes for Bohannon, Moss, Baer, and Cook. Other than those four guys on a steady basis, it will probably be game-by-game.

 

[DanL53]

Forgot about Dom Uhl too. To bad Iowa can't play 8 guys at a time next year, minutes are going to be tough to come by.

Probably fair to say we can expect a steady amount of minutes for Bohannon, Moss, Baer, and Cook. Other than those four guys on a steady basis, it will probably be game-by-game.

Could be. But it is not even July yet and I suspect there will be separation coming from the Europe trip, scrimmages, practices...I doubt McCaffery has even done much thinking about who gets what minutes, nor should he be at this point.

It's fun for us fans of course. The only real indication of anything is Fran has said both Nunge and Garza will play. But he didn't say how much.

 

[nu2u]

I don't know, I'm just fooling around.

Dailey 6'8" pg
Baer 6'8" sg
Nunge 6'11" wf
Garza 6'10" pf
Kriener 6'9" post

Zone on D" Spread 'em out and shoot threes or post up anybody we want. That's a lineup for the non-conference, for a little while, one game.

Would love to see that on the floor for a span ... so many combos on this roster. And it could happen too - Nicholas Baer is the "old man" in that group, all the rest are underclassman.

 

[DanL53]

Would love to see that on the floor for a span ... so many combos on this roster. And it could happen too - Nicholas Baer is the "old man" in that group, all the rest are underclassman.

I want to see it against some team that has a 6'7" power forward and four guards about 6'0".

 

[StatisticsLie]

Too many of you guys keep thinking shooting percentage means no lack of scoring. Case in point: Ellingson with a 47% 3 point shot. The guy averaged less than one made 3 per game. The guy had 11 games with 0 points compared to 6 with double digit. Don't mistake shooting percentage for points.

 

[Hawksfor3]

I don't know, I'm just fooling around.

Dailey 6'8" pg
Baer 6'8" sg
Nunge 6'11" wf
Garza 6'10" pf
Kriener 6'9" post

Zone on D" Spread 'em out and shoot threes or post up anybody we want. That's a lineup for the non-conference, for a little while, one game.

Could work. Add up their wingspans and if the total is equal to or greater than the width of the court, then they could hold hands and keep the opposition at constant 3 Pt depth near half-court.

 

[DanL53]

Could work. Add up their wingspans and if the total is equal to or greater than the width of the court, then they could hold hands and keep the opposition at constant 3 Pt depth near half-court.

We're gonna come up short. The court is fifty feet wide. Naismith figured this would be something someone would try when he made the rules.

This is where "Red Rover, Red Rover send....(whomever)....over", came into play as a test of the strength of hand holds as compared to a person running full speed to crack the line was repeatedly performed. This is how the term, "Charging" was coined.

 

[Hawksfor3]

We're gonna come up short. The court is fifty feet wide. Naismith figured this would be something someone would try when he made the rules.

This is where "Red Rover, Red Rover send....(whomever)....over", came into play as a test of the strength of hand holds as compared to a person running full speed to crack the line was repeatedly performed. This is how the term, "Charging" was coined.

Makes sense. I don't know of any player who has or has had a 10 ft. wingspan lol. And we'd need 5 of 'em.

BTW I probably suggested that the players hold hands near half-court due to, as McCain put it, "Too many late night baseball games".

 

[hawkeyeguy69]

Is it possible at some point in the season Garza starts at the 5? He looks like a pretty good-sized kid already for a true freshman and from what, albeit little, highlights I've seen of him he seems pretty mature and has good footwork in the post.

For me, I think Iowa's best starting lineup come B1G conference play is:
PG-JBo
SG-Moss
SF-Baer
PF-Cook
C--Garza

I know a lot of people see Uhl and Wagner as the odd men out, and I see that for Uhl, but I think Wagner is too strong and athletic to keep off the court. Also, I'm not sold on Brady Ellingson being the answer at backup PG. Unless his ball handling has improved a lot, I just don't see it.

That is my lineup as well. I think that Garza has the attitude, skills and ability to get it done in the middle. We need a lane disruptor. If not this year, then maybe next. But don't count out Wagner, Kreiner or Nunge. Pemsl as well

I think Wagner brings a part of the game that we lack. Physical defense. And he has that Baer energy. We need that on the court at some point. Others feed off of it.

Uhl needs to change his shot. But he isn't. It is very unorthodox. We know he has some touch. You don't go 5 weeks at 55% from 3pt land and not have something. But his form is just not right, and it is so blatantly obvious something isn't right.

Brady will get his minutes. So will Williams. How many? That will depend on Moss, and my wildcard - Maishe Dailey. I think he makes the biggest jump on the entire team. I hope so! We need something on both offense AND defense in the backcourt. We will see...

Glad to hear reports that one of the teams main focuses is defense. Our offense will be good to great. But if our defense can really improve, this team is top 3 in the B1G.

 

[vgshwk]

Ceartainly one thing that could become a factor is both garza and nunge appear to be very good freethrow shooters so if cook,pemsl, and wagner want to be on the court late they better improve their ft shooting.

 

[Steve Waite]

I think all you guys are forgetting it doesn't matter who starts, it's who finishes.
Baer isn't a starter, he is a much better player coming off the bench.
He's still going to play 25-30 minutes a game.

Nunge & Garza already have taken Uhl & Wagner's minutes.

Moss will get majority minutes at the 2 guard.

Williams is a lost cause and he should have transferred because he's not going to
play.

Dailey is the wildcard. If he keeps improving he will take minutes away from Ellingson

Next year McCaffery and Weiskamp will take all the minutes from Williams & Ellingson.

 

[nu2u]

Nunge & Garza already have taken Uhl & Wagner's minutes

No they haven't, that's ridiculous. Wagner will get 12-15 mpg. Uhl will need to find a role butt he isn't sitting on the end of the bench the entire season. Absolutely love these two new big men but even Tyler Cook struggled early last year and these freshman will experience a learning curve also.

You are also selling Ellingson way too short, Williams too. I believe Brady will take on more responsibility this year. In terms of minutes, he will benefit from Jok's graduation. Williams is not a lost cause just needs to keep his back healthy and continue to show development on offense.

 

[HeRKeYHoPeFuL]

Too many of you guys keep thinking shooting percentage means no lack of scoring. Case in point: Ellingson with a 47% 3 point shot. The guy averaged less than one made 3 per game. The guy had 11 games with 0 points compared to 6 with double digit. Don't mistake shooting percentage for points.

Jok and Cook dominated possessions they were on the floor. Jok is now gone. Brady plays relatively similarly (best known for shooting).

I think you've misconstrued what is being discussed. The point is, there are a bunch of possessions that need to be used, and several players have shown an ability to be efficient. Jok actually wasn't very efficient, be it limitations of his game or focused defensive attention. By having options, as everyone is discussing, you can't know where defensive focus needs to be until you've given up a few buckets. Then when you adjust, our offense will too...

 

[CanadaHawk]

No they haven't, that's ridiculous. Wagner will get 12-15 mpg. Uhl will need to find a role butt he isn't sitting on the end of the bench the entire season. Absolutely love these two new big men but even Tyler Cook struggled early last year and these freshman will experience a learning curve also.

You are also selling Ellingson way too short, Williams too. I believe Brady will take on more responsibility this year. In terms of minutes, he will benefit from Jok's graduation. Williams is not a lost cause just needs to keep his back healthy and continue to show development on offense.

As much as it's tempting to think everyone will get the minutes they deserve, there are only so many to go around. Not sure what that means, just that there might be some surprises.

 

[nu2u]

As much as it's tempting to think everyone will get the minutes they deserve, there are only so many to go around. Not sure what that means, just that there might be some surprises.

I agree, its going to be a dog fight for sure. However, at this point there is no basis to claim certain player(s) have already taken every minute of playing time from other player(s). Especially so when you are talking about true freshman completely sidelining 3rd and 4th year players - one which started a majority of games last year.

 

[lovedwatchingLester]

Game to game it is going to be interesting how things play out but I love all the options and the players will sort themselves out in practice to determine game day assignments where then producing will be what matters, going to be fun !!!!!

 

[DanL53]

Regarding minutes. One heck of a problem to have. I'm going to sound like an old record, but the deal is this, nobody has lost any minutes, nor earned any minutes, today, June, 2017. In fact things won't start to get permanently settled until November 10th or 11th when we play Chicago State.

In my case, any guesses I make are just that. But we do know a few things. Bohannon, Baer and Cook are going to be top players on this team. But heck, even Baer might not start, only because he proved to be such a leader on the second unit.

And we know that despite Fran's semi-true history of loyalty to upperclassmen or more experienced players, it really only goes so far. Bohannon replaced Williams. Cook, Pemsl...freshmen were getting plenty of minutes last year.

I would not be surprised to see all the guys get time in our first game. After all, Chicago State is a 300+ RPI team. My bet is the finished unit will really be fleshed out about 80-90% by the time we are in the Cayman Islands.

And the rest? Fran has always liked going with the hot hand and is determined to improve our defense, so if someone isn't playing defense....and they all BETTER be playing defense...he'll go right to the next guy in line.

 

[littlez]

Wagner started 13 games last year. Why do you guys always assume these new guys are just going to step right in and steal his minutes. Baer is better off the bench. Wagner gives something nobody else does. No, he's not much much of a scorer, but he's a great athlete, solid defender and rebounder, which is what we need. Not saying Wagner is going to play 30 minutes, but I think he starts again this year.

 

[doughawk]

I think there is zero percent chance Wagner is a starter this year. Wagner is a power forward , period. He played some center last year because we didn't have one until Kreiner got well. With Garza and Kreiner playing center that leaves Wagner to play power forward and that puts him behind Cook and Pemsl. If they get in foul trouble his minutes will go up I suppose.

 

[kceasthawk]

Wagner started 13 games last year. Why do you guys always assume these new guys are just going to step right in and steal his minutes. Baer is better off the bench. Wagner gives something nobody else does. No, he's not much much of a scorer, but he's a great athlete, solid defender and rebounder, which is what we need. Not saying Wagner is going to play 30 minutes, but I think he starts again this year.

No one says these things,(and there just guesses), because they don't like Wagner. I for one appreciate everything he gives to the program. You do have to understand though that Frans job is to continue to recruit better and better players. Thats not always easy to do, but it seems like his recruiting is certainly on an upswing. IF Garza and Nunge are better players,(as they appear to be), then Wagner and Uhl, then they need to play. Wagner may very well be a D1 level athlete, but he doesn't appear to be a D1 level basketball player. There's a difference. Besides both of the frosh being 6'11" with much longer reach then Wagner, their both better scorers inside, and better shooters, by far from outside. We can debate all this all the way up to November, but in the end Fran will do what he thinks is best.

 

[icwesthawk]

I don't know, I'm just fooling around.

Dailey 6'8" pg
Baer 6'8" sg
Nunge 6'11" wf
Garza 6'10" pf
Kriener 6'9" post

Zone on D" Spread 'em out and shoot threes or post up anybody we want. That's a lineup for the non-conference, for a little while, one game.

I didn't think Daily was a pg. I thought he said last year he was not a pg. Can he play pg and give JBO a rest? It would be wonderful if he could.

 

[DanL53]

I didn't think Daily was a pg. I thought he said last year he was not a pg. Can he play pg and give JBO a rest? It would be wonderful if he could.

As I recall he said last year that Fran wanted him to work on his ball handling and that once accomplished he could indeed play some point. But keep in mind that Fran has mentioned just about everyone as being capable of playing point at one time or another.

 

[Kurt Warner]

I'm all for the best players playing period. The guys that give us the best chance to win. Fran is such a nice guy that he tries too hard to keep some players happy. I'm for a smaller rotation with the best guys out there the majority of the time. And that folks is just my opinion.

 

[littlez]

Of course I understand Frans job is to win games. Let's see what kind of defense these guys play. Wagner started the last 13 games of the year, and we need some people that can actually play defense. We are going to be a high scoring skilled team, but we aren't super athletic. And if Wagner wasn't one of the best players, why did he start 13 games? Let it play out is all I'm saying.

 

[Steve Waite]

Wagner started 13 games last year. Why do you guys always assume these new guys are just going to step right in and steal his minutes. Baer is better off the bench. Wagner gives something nobody else does. No, he's not much much of a scorer, but he's a great athlete, solid defender and rebounder, which is what we need. Not saying Wagner is going to play 30 minutes, but I think he starts again this year.

I'll take that bet. You name the price.