I think the Top 10 are something like this.
1- Bohannon, Williams
2- Moss, Ellingson
3- Baer, Nunge
4- Cook, Pemsl
5- Kreiner, Garza
1- Bohannon, Williams
2- Moss, Ellingson
3- Baer, Nunge
4- Cook, Pemsl
5- Kreiner, Garza
After watching the highlights of Isaiah Moss, today
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That looks about right to me. Although I am thinking Dailey may sneak into the top 10. Hope so really. That means he is doing well.
That's right about there with my best guess. Waiting to see on the Williams, Ellingson, Dailey battle for playing time, and the Uhl, Wagner, Pemsl battle for backup minutes when Kriener and Garza are in foul trouble.
Either way though, the vast majority of the team could be around for two more years, and the entrance of Connor and Wieskamp, then Patrick, could not be timed any better.
Looking at a very deep line up with some highly ranked recruits at almost every position. This should be a good season.
Hey Suterman, I worked on my car today and I must be really tired and out of it lol, but when I glanced at the list of names you wrote, they sound like a possible 5 great players. I reversed the names to come up with 5 new Iowa players (in a hypothetical case).
1- Williams Bohannon (sort of like Williams-Goss).
2- Ellingson Moss
3- Nunge Baer (a little cheesy)
4- Pemsl Cook
5- Garza Kreiner
Yep, must really be out of it. It was 97 degrees today while I was under the hood.
I don't think Nunge is behind many except JBo, Baer, and Cook. Add in that I don't see Baer starting given Frans past comments confirming that he sees his value greatest when he is coming in as the 6th man off the bench.
I agree with most of this except Nunge redshirting. Yes there is the future, but you need to focus on the present as well and if guys like Nunge can help win games now and get us to the dance, then they need to play. I'm starting to think Nunge is the starting SF.
Figuring out playing time is going to be tough. I think we can lump each player into one of three groups:
Bohannon
Cook
Baer
Pemsl
Moss
Uhl
Wagner
Williams
Kriener
Daily
Ellingson
Garza
Nunge
The top group players are guaranteed pretty good minutes. We need these guys to be solid, but odds are a couple will take the next step to being studs and very possibly one or two will be the same or have what is considered a step backwards. Hope no one has off year but the odds are that one will.
The second tier is the same. Odds are a couple of these guys will make significant strides forward and be considered top tier players by big ten season. Conversely a couple may struggle and find it hard to get minutes.
In the final group one of these guys will make a big contribution and the other might have limited role. Both are gifted offensively but defense will be the deciding factor.
Also, I think one player along with Connor may redshirt.
I hope they all have a great year and the Hawks have a historic year(very possible). But odds show some kids will surprise and some will show less improvement.
Bohannon
Cook
Baer
Pemsl
Moss
Uhl
Wagner
Williams
Kriener
Daily
Ellingson
Garza
Nunge
The top group players are guaranteed pretty good minutes. We need these guys to be solid, but odds are a couple will take the next step to being studs and very possibly one or two will be the same or have what is considered a step backwards. Hope no one has off year but the odds are that one will.
The second tier is the same. Odds are a couple of these guys will make significant strides forward and be considered top tier players by big ten season. Conversely a couple may struggle and find it hard to get minutes.
In the final group one of these guys will make a big contribution and the other might have limited role. Both are gifted offensively but defense will be the deciding factor.
Also, I think one player along with Connor may redshirt.
I hope they all have a great year and the Hawks have a historic year(very possible). But odds show some kids will surprise and some will show less improvement.
I am not saying that Wagner is Kevin Boyle, but Boyle did okay for himself in spite of an always decreasing scoring average.
1979: 11.9 ppg
1980: 11.8 ppg
1981: 9.9 ppg
1982: 6.5 ppg
"Where do you see Wagner fitting in?" Wagner is a high energy guy like Baer. You need someone to get in somebody's face? Need rebounds? Wags appears to have worked hard on his game. I like the way he drives to the rim. He can set a mean screen. He's tough, and sometimes that toughness can go a long way. Helps the team and inspires others. He's not extraordinally talented but you can tell he has worked hard to get where he is. Just my thoughts. He shot 51% on 123 attempts last year.
"Sophomore Ahmad Wagner stepped in front of Ethan Happ to steal an inbounds pass before driving to the basket and sneaking a jumper over the front of the rim to make the score 57-56 with 1:35 to play." That was in Iowa's win at Madison.
"Sophomore Ahmad Wagner stepped in front of Ethan Happ to steal an inbounds pass before driving to the basket and sneaking a jumper over the front of the rim to make the score 57-56 with 1:35 to play." That was in Iowa's win at Madison.
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To the contrary Wags is very talented. He's working on becoming a basketball player is the real problem. He's a natural wing without the game yet. Hope he gets there soon.
I agree, He is Talented and has a "head" for the game. When I said "not extraordinally talented", I meant that he does not have the same skills as say, Tyler Cook. Would love to see him break out.
"He's a natural wing without the game yet".
This real contradiction in fans' minds is how Wagner gets inflated expectations. Wagner is NOT a NATURAL wing = a player at the 3 or 2. His height suggests he should be a wing. His athleticism might allow it sometimes defensively at the 3. However, he has neither the shot or the handle for the 3. He's trying to get confidence in an outside shot, but he didn't use it at all last year so it has to be considered a work in progress. I think he ended up starting last year for chemistry reasons and will be used more as a spot performer with usage depending on how the freshmen develop and how Pemsl comes back from his surgery.
Chemistry is exactly why Wagner will get minutes. Other than Baer, no one on the team provides as much energy to the guys on the floor.
I agree, Wagner gets minutes. But part of the chemistry reason Wagner started was trying to substitute athleticism for height on the interior. We've got the height now. Plus, Baer plays the 3 better than Wagner and also gives that chemistry energy.
hot take....My starting lineup for this Fall is now set:
1) Jordan Bohannon
2 ISAIAH MOSS
3) Nicholas Baer
4) Pemsl/Kreiner/Garza
5) Tyler Cook
Well, I guess it's pretty much set.
Really do like how back court is coming out though.
Brady & Christian will get a lot of Mins backing up Jordan & Isaiah
GO HAWKS
If Williams doesn't come around then . Maybe Don gets some time as a point forward (I hate myself for saying it but not sure where else he gets anything but spot minutes unless he ups his game by a lot).
I can't see anyone redshirting but Conner. It's not like playing time will magically open up next year. If Pemsl's injury is much more severe then we are told he might be the only exception. Dailey has a better chance to see minutes this year then next.
If a guy is not going to be earning any pt this year, I don't know if Fran would want to use another year on him.
If a guy is not going to be earning any pt this year, I don't know if Fran would want to use another year on him.
Agree that Baer is our most natural 3, but I think the coaches will look for combinations that work. For example, when Baer is resting, we might see Nunge and Wagner enter as combo 3/4s, with Wagner playing D at the 3 to take advantage of his quickness (and Nunge maybe being a step slow to guard some 3s), but offense at the 4 where he can pick & roll and hit the offensive boards (and Nunge can use his perimeter and interior skills).
This is a good year for the summer trip, which should allow the coaches to start trying combinations.
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I think that last season we were lacking shooters outside of Jok and JBo. So when Williams was on the floor (usually w/out JBo) they could cheat off him very easily. With the addition of a couple of big men that can shoot it may open things up for Williams to drive to the hoop more. He can finish at the rim, will be interesting to see if he can find the open man when the D rotates.
