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AJ Ferrari in the house last night

But, it holds significance when you are trying to push a narrative that Iowa is somehow hurting themselves with recruits with the AJ "Project" when he hasn't even hit the roster. Mind you, he wasn't even the issue with Chittum AT ALL. The issue would have been Anthony, who by all accounts has been damn near clean as a whistle.

The data is clear enough if you follow it. Chittum's dad has been a considerable issue through Cody's wrestling. By many accounts Cody would still be wrestling for Iowa if not for his father. By many of those accounts his father wanted more than Iowa was willing to give. Add in that Cody was there for so long without formally committing and connecting the dots isn't as hard as you think, even if you don't have someone close enough to the program confirming it to you....
Felters has said numerous times that money had nothing to do with Chittum leaving and that the family is great. I think I'll believe the actual Hawk insider on this one. I look forward to your five paragraph response on how Felters really knows nothing about Iowa wrestling and is wrong about this.
 
Felters has said numerous times that money had nothing to do with Chittum leaving and that the family is great. I think I'll believe the actual Hawk insider on this one. I look forward to your five paragraph response on how Felters really knows nothing about Iowa wrestling and is wrong about this.

I was told by someone I trust, which if you look back through my history, I have never once said that.

Oh, and remind me, what school are you a fan of?
 
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Iowa wrestling as an institution will definitely survive and continue to be one of the top programs in the country. The program is definitely bigger than this. The Brands are risking a pretty big setback, though, including, as you noted, their own positions within it. This has already cost the team one elite recruit in Chittum. Who knows how many more there will be (and who knows whether the Ferraris affected the decisions of Nagao and Truax - at least they didn't specifically cite the Ferraris as a reason they shunned Iowa). So, yeah, this clearly isn't an existential threat, but there is still a considerable amount of risk.
This. Some know whether the Ferraris affected the decision of Nagao, apparently.
 
I was told by someone I trust, which if you look back through my history, I have never once said that.

Oh, and remind me, what school are you a fan of?
you can ask me what school I am a fan of. I know tough question for you……answer is a lot longer and a lot more involved than you ever were or will be as a Hawk fan.
 
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you can ask me what school I am a fan of. I know tough question for you……answer is a lot longer and a lot more involved than you ever were or will be as a Hawk fan.
The ONLY reason I believe it is relevant is because I am basically only arguing with non-Hawkeye fans over the Chittum issue. Otherwise, I have no issue with any fandom whatsoever. I admittedly enjoy getting under many of the PSU fans' skins on here, but that doesn't mean I am against having them here...
 
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I was told by someone I trust, which if you look back through my history, I have never once said that.

Oh, and remind me, what school are you a fan of?
so it's you were told by someone vs a former Hawk wrestler that worked hard to get Chittum to Iowa. Once again, I'll believe the actual insider. What does me rooting for the Goofers have to do with you being wrong?
 
so it's you were told by someone vs a former Hawk wrestler that worked hard to get Chittum to Iowa. Once again, I'll believe the actual insider. What does me rooting for the Goofers have to do with you being wrong?

Because the person I was told by is close enough to the program that I trusted his information. Again, I have never done that once posting on here. I give my opinions, but I don’t act like I am an insider. In fact, in many cases I have clearly stated I am not.

However, in this singular case I trusted the information enough to say what I said. Also, it matters when those arguing with me clearly have no ties whatsoever to negate what I said.

Finally, it is very common to use the most PC answers in public. Do you think the Chittums would just come out and say greed was the reason?

Simply put, I felt, and still do, that my source was credible enough to take my stance. If there is someone on here that is truly close enough to have the knowledge necessary to contradict my statement, I am more than willing to eat it, if they come on here and clearly state how I am wrong…
 
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Their board is that way because any opinion contrary to the party line is not tolerated
Disagree. I get in some counterpunches (Spencer support is one) without many scars. I don’t think it’s so much a compliant “party line” as there’s just less to argue about. I mean, what’s HVI’s biggest gripe? Recruiting over a kid? Even that stings less with a revolving door portal. Iowa has two clear and present issues that make GIA more volatile. Tom’s HS recruiting and his Ferrari project. Improve the former and resolve the latter and you could be as bland and boring as those of us on “the lame end of the spectrum” (still love that one).
 
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Felters has said numerous times that money had nothing to do with Chittum leaving and that the family is great. I think I'll believe the actual Hawk insider on this one. I look forward to your five paragraph response on how Felters really knows nothing about Iowa wrestling and is wrong about this.
Who is Felters ??
 
The ONLY reason I believe it is relevant is because I am basically only arguing with non-Hawkeye fans over the Chittum issue. Otherwise, I have no issue with any fandom whatsoever. I admittedly enjoy getting under many of the PSU fans' skins on here, but that doesn't mean I am against having them here...
and you seem to think I am a PS fan.
 
Lol, you are falling victim to reading it how you want to, versus how it is. I am not remotely defending his actions. He has made a ton of dumb decisions. All I have said is they don’t bother me nearly as much as many of you and apparently they don’t bother the legal system nearly that much either. Or, he would have done some jail time.

Look, the kid needs to clean his act up. He has almost another year to do it. If he can, Iowa ends up with an NCAA DI champ on their roster. If he doesn’t, he doesn’t get on the team and the amount of damage done is the exact same when they tried it with Downey…..exactly zero.

Also, remember I clearly stated he gets absolute zero tolerance for any and all legal issues. If he gets cited for j-walking, he is gone. If he messes up in the class room, he is gone. If he is a dick, I can live with it. Plenty of top notch wrestlers have been and are socks and plenty more will be after he is gone…

So OJ didn’t do it. Got it.
 
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Felters has said numerous times that money had nothing to do with Chittum leaving and that the family is great. I think I'll believe the actual Hawk insider on this one. I look forward to your five paragraph response on how Felters really knows nothing about Iowa wrestling and is wrong about this.
where has he said this?
 
Because the person I was told by is close enough to the program that I trusted his information. Again, I have never done that once posting on here. I give my opinions, but I don’t act like I am an insider. In fact, in many cases I have clearly stated I am not.

However, in this singular case I trusted the information enough to say what I said. Also, it matters when those arguing with me clearly have no ties whatsoever to negate what I said.

Finally, it is very common to use the most PC answers in public. Do you think the Chittums would just come out and say greed was the reason?

Simply put, I felt, and still do, that my source was credible enough to take my stance. If there is someone on here that is truly close enough to have the knowledge necessary to contradict my statement, I am more than willing to eat it, if they come on here and clearly state how I am wrong…
ok, we have hearsay…someone told you what they heard was the case, as opposed to a fact: Chittum and the Ferrari family had a fairly serious altercation previously. So then we are told to believe that money was the sole issue here. that money was never discussed initially. that the Chittum dad was the issue but the Ferrari dad is not an issue. LASTLY, and this is important as well, there have been numerous statements, quantifying AJ’s actions by saying other Hawk wrestlers also acted badly. However, NONE had already done the things AJ has BEFORE they were recruited to become a member of the Iowa PROGRAM. FACTS.
 
ok, we have hearsay…someone told you what they heard was the case, as opposed to a fact: Chittum and the Ferrari family had a fairly serious altercation previously. So then we are told to believe that money was the sole issue here. that money was never discussed initially. that the Chittum dad was the issue but the Ferrari dad is not an issue. LASTLY, and this is important as well, there have been numerous statements, quantifying AJ’s actions by saying other Hawk wrestlers also acted badly. However, NONE had already done the things AJ has BEFORE they were recruited to become a member of the Iowa PROGRAM. FACTS.
First off, I didn't say that Anthony had no part in it all whatsover. I even said it was 100% subtracted by 83% of the reason!

What I clearly said was that he had 1 foot out the door anyway and that is why Brands and co. went after the guys they went after and were willing to deal with Chittum leaving...There is a major difference between being the final straw and being the major reason, let alone being the ONLY reason...
 
ok, we have hearsay…someone told you what they heard was the case, as opposed to a fact: Chittum and the Ferrari family had a fairly serious altercation previously. So then we are told to believe that money was the sole issue here. that money was never discussed initially. that the Chittum dad was the issue but the Ferrari dad is not an issue. LASTLY, and this is important as well, there have been numerous statements, quantifying AJ’s actions by saying other Hawk wrestlers also acted badly. However, NONE had already done the things AJ has BEFORE they were recruited to become a member of the Iowa PROGRAM. FACTS.
Bullseye.
 
First off, I didn't say that Anthony had no part in it all whatsover. I even said it was 100% subtracted by 83% of the reason!

What I clearly said was that he had 1 foot out the door anyway and that is why Brands and co. went after the guys they went after and were willing to deal with Chittum leaving...There is a major difference between being the final straw and being the major reason, let alone being the ONLY reason...

First off, I didn't say that Anthony had no part in it all whatsover. I even said it was 100% subtracted by 83% of the reason!

What I clearly said was that he had 1 foot out the door anyway and that is why Brands and co. went after the guys they went after and were willing to deal with Chittum leaving...There is a major difference between being the final straw and being the major reason, let alone being the ONLY reason...
I think we were discussing the validity of your source as compared to other’s sources or compared to facts. Not sure that is what you just addressed. Not even saying your stance is wrong. Just saying people post what they want to be true often as fact…..” trusted source”.
 
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I think we were discussing the validity of your source as compared to other’s sources or compared to facts. Not sure that is what you just addressed. Not even saying your stance is wrong. Just saying people post what they want to be true often as fact…..” trusted source”.
To be crystal clear, that is exactly why I clarified my stance by saying I have never cited a "trusted source" for something Iowa related before. I never have quoted sources on here and stated things as fact unless I personally know it to be so by my own experience or it was something that was actually posted on here to see by everyone.

In this case, for the very first time, I feel strong enough about the topic along with the person I trust implicitly to say what I said. Again, no one is infallible. If someone with enough direct cache to the program comes on here and says I am wrong, I will own it. I just trust what I heard and where from enough to not believe that to be the case...
 
The same shit happens both ways. Iowa fans run to Penn st boards and give them shit . During the Sandusky situation Iowa fans were all over poking them. Now Penn st fans are here talking shit. Don't get so worked up over it and poke back. It's a wrestling forum most here aren't soft people. It does get annoying at times on both sides that's when you take a break and think of a good comeback. Remember everyone is here because they love WRESTLING
You're full of shit if you actually believe this garbage. Other forums moderators ban douche bag fans almost immediately. You really think Iowa fans were over there drumming up Sandusky bullshit without getting immediately banned?
 
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Nah. GTFO with that. Self righteous is spamming social media and interviews with "Jesus Christ, God, and Christianity" while behaving antagonistically to all of those values.
I don't think religion necessarily is a condition of being self-righteous. In most definitions it is not even mentioned. So I don't know what you're actually trying to portray in your response. So, not trying to be self-righteous, I hope to God this all works out with the Ferraris.
 
At times and in the past the answer is yes. The Ferrari situation has definitely made more Penn st fans come here lately but that's expected. Not many fan bases in wrestling give a shit like Iowa and Penn st fans do. I don't see it stopping anytime soon. Whenever one messes up the other will make sure they remind them.
If only that were the case but instead it's one sided due to one board being moderated.
 
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Nah. GTFO with that. Self righteous is spamming social media and interviews with "Jesus Christ, God, and Christianity" while behaving antagonistically to all of those values.
Says one of the most narcissistic pieces of shit on this forum. You, El Dub, MAGA Man etc. are all every bit the narcissist that AJ is. It's hilarious that you're all the exact same person, but too stupid to even realize it. El druggie thought Kennedy was a 3 year starter for the Hawks, and didn't even know who KOT is. He's never been here for the wrestling talk. And every other week you're on a non wrestling related hissy fit. MAGA is just an idiot with everything he posts. Yep it adds up you 3 are the exact same type of narcissist.
 
when fans like you have no knowledge, and no facts you always revert to name calling. I may be old but you need to grow up.
Oh remember last time you started the name calling? Maybe you should quit posting for a few years again rip van winkle.
 
You're full of shit if you actually believe this garbage. Other forums moderators ban douche bag fans almost immediately. You really think Iowa fans were over there drumming up Sandusky bullshit without getting immediately banned?
The fact that this site doesn't have anyone who moderates I won't argue with that. I read all the boards and saw it myself. It works both ways for sure
 
If you have ever mingled with the Penn State fanbase in person at any national events, you know they are a bland fan base without much to offer. 10:1 square: interesting humans. If you know, you know. The majority of them don't know shit about wrestling. Sure there are a few good ones in the mix, but its heavily skewed towards the lame end of the spectrum. Their wrestling forum comes off exactly the same. It's just no fun to hang out over there, and they don't have the depth to maintain healthy wrestling conversation. Every single thread is either about Iowa, or divulges into being entirely about Iowa.
I don't worry about opposing fan bases, I worry about winning. Being the "best, most knowledgeable fan base" is something you can hang your hat on O guess. I prefer wins though.
 
I don't worry about opposing fan bases, I worry about winning. Being the "best, most knowledgeable fan base" is something you can hang your hat on O guess. I prefer wins though.
Most of us can’t control wins/losses. We can control our knowledge. Nice work on doing all of ‘your’ winning.
 
Lol, if that is what you take from what I typed we have one of the biggest disconnects 2 people can have...

lol, I mean I don’t subscribe to the theory that escaping legal consequences is proof an act wasn’t that bad.

That being said, I really am over the rehashing of the same AJ stuff so the second I saw a chance to make a snide remark and contribute nothing to the convo, I jumped in head first. I got bored.
 
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Disagree. I get in some counterpunches (Spencer support is one) without many scars. I don’t think it’s so much a compliant “party line” as there’s just less to argue about. I mean, what’s HVI’s biggest gripe? Recruiting over a kid? Even that stings less with a revolving door portal. Iowa has two clear and present issues that make GIA more volatile. Tom’s HS recruiting and his Ferrari project. Improve the former and resolve the latter and you could be as bland and boring as those of us on “the lame end of the spectrum” (still love that one).
I could have chosen my words better.
Simple questions
Would the discourse allowed here fly on the other board?
What happens on the other board if I say ‘Carl’?
Or mention Andrew Long? Jenkins? Slush funds? Recruiting violations?Training lab? Taylor couldn’t beat Dake?

Counter punches on supporting a PA legend? Hmmm…. Good?

Try some of the garbage that visitors here throw out and see if you still disagree.
 
lol, I mean I don’t subscribe to the theory that escaping legal consequences is proof an act wasn’t that bad.

That being said, I really am over the rehashing of the same AJ stuff so the second I saw a chance to make a snide remark and contribute nothing to the convo, I jumped in head first. I got bored.

To be clear, I was referencing the car accident and not the sexual assault case. Although, I lean towards the innocence of people when cases are dropped, I do agree that there is enough smoke around the guy that it is possible he was guilty at some level.
 
I'm lost. Are we still talking about AJ and his three year removal from wrestling ? Best of luck to those wishful thinking he will wrestle in Carver with an Iowa singlet then be at SeaShore Hall for his sophmore pychology class on the following Monday.

My experience in IC when I was in school was his Ferrari would be towed within an hour for parking on wrong side or meter overage.
 
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To be clear, I was referencing the car accident and not the sexual assault case. Although, I lean towards the innocence of people when cases are dropped, I do agree that there is enough smoke around the guy that it is possible he was guilty at some level.
Just curious, but have you seen the picture of Ferrari’s vehicle after the incident that doesn’t bother you so much. Don’t know how to post pictures, but this may be the link.

By the way, you don’t believe that he hasn’t made dozens of highly aggressive, reckless driving moves that didn’t result in accidents that we don’t know about?

 
Just curious, but have you seen the picture of Ferrari’s vehicle after the incident that doesn’t bother you so much. Don’t know how to post pictures, but this may be the link.

By the way, you don’t believe that he hasn’t made dozens of highly aggressive, reckless driving moves that didn’t result in accidents that we don’t know about?

Passing in a no passing zone probably 50% of drivers do before they're 22. Love how all the sudden when we get old we didn't do dumb shit when we were young GTFOH. You probably posted that while driving
 
Just curious, but have you seen the picture of Ferrari’s vehicle after the incident that doesn’t bother you so much. Don’t know how to post pictures, but this may be the link.

By the way, you don’t believe that he hasn’t made dozens of highly aggressive, reckless driving moves that didn’t result in accidents that we don’t know about?

Hey, over and over again I have said he has done incredibly stupid things. I have even gone as far as to say I think he isn't intelligent(to put it nicely). However, making dumb decisions, in many cases, doesn't make it criminal. We have very specific laws and regulations for driving. If what he did was so bad in your eyes, why wasn't he in jail or still in it? Unlike the sexual assault case there is no doubt he did what he did. It's not like he got off on a technicality or proved he wasn't the driver...
 
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