But Trump is a moron, and he doesn't give a shit what other people think, which is why he does all the stupid things he does, just like this.
Alito spoke with Trump before president-elect asked Supreme Court to delay his sentencing
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Exactly my point.
My guess is after the philanthropic discussion over advancing an underling’s career, they chatted idly about grandkids, how their fantasy football teams did, and the price of tea in China.
But that’s just a hunch.
For better or worse, if a party files a request for emergency relief before the Court, they do have to deal with it. And of course, for all we know, they might deny the request.
I think the corruption that is most concerning is the corruption for power and the overturning of norms in order to get that power.
The SCOTUS will go out of it's way to protect Trump.
Without question in response to the former.
As to the latter, he most certainly does. He needs all of the adulation and praise he can get; and because he is a moron he expects to be worshipped after he pisses on your head and tells you it’s raining.
That’s why Trump loves the poorly educated. He needs them to constantly stroke his ego.
BTW, just a frighteningly hilarious side note that I stumbled on when I just checked the court's website:
Trump's application to scotus for emergency relief bears Docket # 24A666.
Trump's application to scotus for emergency relief bears Docket # 24A666.
So? You think Presidents don't speak with members of other branches of the government everyday?
not the judicial branch they don't.
The Republicans won, elections have consequences. Maybe if the left hadn't destroyed the economy, let in millions of illegals, given Afghan and billions of dollars worth of weapons to the Taliban and forced young girls to shower with men, the dems would still have some modicum of power.
The DOJ and Fanny Willis would like to speak with you.....
uh....remind me which branch Fanny is in? ...and which government she is a part of?
Civics people. Civics.
What on earth does this have to do with Trump calling a member of SCOTUS just before they’re going to listen to an appeal on a case he’s directly involved in?
She’s not in the federal government however.
Try to get the facts straight. This is about a Justice and the President elect having a telephone conversation the same week the Court is set to decide if the President elect can be sentenced for his felony convictions.
You would have had a meltdown if Obama called Justice Kagan the week Obamacare was decided. We all know that.
Nor, even setting that aside, is she in a different branch of government than Trump is/will be.
No Democrat made the kind of money in office that the last Trump administration made. Lots of criminals and nobody seems to care what Jared got 2 billion from the Saudis for. So that's 2.6 billions just for Trump's daughter and son in law. You KNOW Trump made money beyond what he grifted taxpayers charging SS to stay at his properties.
Tom, I am not disputing any of that. I think I have made it clear that I think Trump is a grifter and vile scum.
Not the point.
No. The problem is people like you, with no critical thinking skills or logic, believe all this. That's the problem. Again, the billionaires thank you for being so gullible.
It's exactly the point. Yes Democrats make money, other than Jimmy Carter...but nothing like the grifting and corruption by Republicans since Reagan.
This. Even fully accepting the premise that the call was essentially a reference check for a clerk and nothing else and that the former clerk asked the justice to take the call, you simply don't have that call (i) placed personally by the president, (ii) accepted by the justice, (iii) during the pendency of that case.
Side note: Alito suggests that this may have been the day before a filing was made, which if true and if you did assume the premise above, would suggest that the problem is trump and not alito.
Disclaimer: I get it that many/most won't accept the premise, which is both fine and not irrational.
Which member of the court did Biden call? Biden called Willis? If Democrats can't stand Garland, that ought to tell you he didn't go after Donald Trump. Don't even try to blame the FBI either...Trump appointed the director. Again, find logic sometime.
Well this is hilarious. She is a member of the government in the state of Georgia. There was collusion between her and President Biden to prosecute his political opponent. As a prosecutor working for the State of Georgia she would be a part of the executive branch for the state of Georgia.
Something something civics
Once again so what. This manufactured outrage by the left is one of the reason the majority of Americans have told you all to eff off.
The case in New York is exactly why the founders established presidential immunity. So that one state cannot through the courts disenfranchise all other states in voting for president. This case was dead when it began. Manufactured nonsense cobbling together expired misdemeanors where the elements of thos crimes aren't even established to magically get to a felony and then completely ignoring any sort of rational due process to arrive at a conviction. The definition of kangaroo court to get a paper conviction that literally anyone with sense doesn't withstand scrutiny.
As an attorney you should be outraged and ashamed it even was brought before the court
Leaving aside that he wasn’t president when the events he was tried for happened…the founding fathers did not establish presidential immunity. That is a modern interpretation of the constitution.
Ah, there it is. The oft used 'lack of self-awareness' retort.
I dont see its application here however. The last time the Democrats had actual control all aspects of government was 2009 under Obama. That was 15 years ago.
Anticipating replies, this excludes the Biden period where the Dems had submajority control (48) due to 2 independents. We all know that these independents didnt always caucus with Dems. (Sinema)
So, yeah I really dont know if I was butthurt when Obama had control or not and I sure as hell wasn't posting on here when that occurred. So, nice try.
Are you saying that Trump should’ve forever been immune to prosecution for anything simply because he might have run for a second term?
To recap:
1. abby said presidents speak with people in OTHER branches of government
2. I said, not the judicial branch
3. You said, Fanny willis and DOJ would like a word
4. I said, uh, what branch and what government is fanny in?
5. You said, this is hilarious, correctly noted that she was part of the georgia executive branch, and then went down some tangent about a Biden collusion conspiracy.
Now I'll fully admit - some days i can be a little slow. So, please, slowly, explain how your comment #3 was remotely germane to the basic premises and the conversational flow referenced in points 1 and 2. Because right now I feel like im at my precana class, when they played this absolutely horrible christian music for us to meditate to, where the rhyme scheme of the verses was something like ABAH, and I just burst out in embarrassing but uncontrollable laughter when they hit the fourth line.
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I think not. obviously, I think the rapture starts on 1/22.
Perhaps so. I would also add that, aside from the military service, you and I have done a lot of the same sorts of things and Id bet, if you knew me in real life, youd feel the same way. Perhaps you would, because I am a proud Republican, make me persona non grata in certain social groups.
I'd suggest that talking like you did the other day would get you summarily removed from your school board position were it known publicly.
What I would have done, had I typed what you did was posted this....
"Yeah I said some things I shouldn't have and don't truly believe. My frustration with the Iowa men's BB team and McCaffrey was at a high the other day and I let emotions get the best of me and said some things in the heat of the moment. Those statements do not reflect my actual beliefs and I apologize for them. I don't really think, now that I have had time to consider my statement, that McCaffrey plays or benches people based on race. This was an unfair characterization and would be profoundly hurtful to me if said about me. I retract what I said and will endeavor to be a better person even under challenging moments that require poise rather than shameful behavior. Peace. You were right to call me out. I deserved it."
THAT is what a 'better human' would do.
Racism is a horrible thing and should be challenged when it is seen or we all are excusing it by failing to condemn it. Even on an anonymous message board.
Trump was impeached for calling up a foreign government to pressure them into interfering with our election.
Trump was indicted for calling up the state of Georgia to pressure them into falsifying their election count.
We would be complete morons to assume he's only calling to shoot the shit with one of the Supreme Court justices right before sentencing of the felony case he lost.
Trump was indicted for calling up the state of Georgia to pressure them into falsifying their election count.
We would be complete morons to assume he's only calling to shoot the shit with one of the Supreme Court justices right before sentencing of the felony case he lost.
As an attorney, I am stunned that a Justice and a person with a case before the Court had ex parte contact. I’m less stunned you think it’s no big deal.
Ex parte contact is one of the first no nos they teach you.
And a majority of Americans did not vote for Trump.
Carry on.
At the end of the day, here's where i'm leaning STL.
1. The call apparently came the day before the filing, and was purportedly about a former clerk in line for an administration job, so on balance, I'm not entirely surprised Alito took it. that's one of the more ordinary of DC calls. The only area of ambiguity/discomfort is that it was the president-elect on line 3 - I suppose you answer a call from the president elect, even if you thought it would probably be his minions, but you also ought to wonder why would the president call personally, but maybe the clerk gave that heads up.
2. But clearly trump knew that a filing would be made imminently. And given that, it was inappropriate and stupid for him to make that call. I suppose if you had to defend trump, you'd say (I) of course he made it before the filing, because he knew he couldn't make it after and (II) we all know that trump's an anal retentive fanatic when it comes to loyalty, so that's why he made it personally. But it's still way too bizarre -- even if Trump was smart enough not to even hint at the soon to be filed proceeding, the potential for the situation to be viewed as a quid pro quo (for the benefit of the former clerk) once it was filed is just way too high. So high that even trump would understand it, and for that reason, I tend to think that's precisely why he made it.
Perhaps we'll all get lucky and they'll just deny this thing in a one sentence order.
One funny story about ex parte contacts in the real world . Decades ago, we had a nursing home rate litigation in Montana. We had a local counsel whose last name was "Cannon". We go into a hearing with a local judge in the middle of nowhere, it goes for an hour or so. We all go out to the parking lot, chit chat with the state's counsel a bit, and at some point the state counsel leaves. At that point, Mr. Cannon turns and walks toward the courthouse and says, "ooh, there was just one more thing I wanted to mention to the judge". We got out of Dodge as fast as we could, and thereafter the local counsel's nickname was "Loose".
per alito, a former alito clerk was in line for a senior white house staff position and trump was vetting him.
But of course, none of us know but the two of them
Call me dubious that Trump vets people personally.
So, then we don’t know that there was an ex parte communication, right?
Trump would NEVER call someone and ask for an illegal favor. He is as pure as the driven snow.
