All 4 teams with a bye in the CFP lost

[PoopandBoogers]

LOFL, what an ass backwards viewpoint. Thankfully you’re a dying breed. Enjoy the pop tart bowl lol.

But those hairbrained bowl games like the cheetzit, mayonnaise, pop tart bowl actually and ironically showcase the absurdity of the current bowl structure. Yet I tune in, because football.

And embarrassing as it is, I will still continue to watch dunks of mayo on a coaches head, cheese crackers taunting the refs, and a pop tarts reluctantly committing suicide by jumping into a toaster before getting eaten by the winning team.

But go ahead and watch "I Hope Santa is Mowing My Yard" or "Below Deck- Red Sea Edition". I'll take football.

 

[TJ8869]

Yeah, get rid of byes. Robbing all those teams of a home playoff game also.

Not having to play a first round game at all is preferable to playing a first round home game.

 

[TJ8869]

It shouldn’t come as a surprise that ASU and BSU lost. Both were seeded much higher than their ranking by virtue of being the champions of second and third-tier conferences. They both had to play teams that were ranked much higher than them.

Georgia was playing with a QB who had never taken a meaningful snap until a month ago. I wasn’t surprised at all that tOSU beat Oregon, but the margin of victory was an eye opener.

Maybe one tweak should be that conference champions automatically get in but don’t automatically get a bye.

 

[LBoogie28]

Maybe one tweak should be that conference champions automatically get in but don’t automatically get a bye.

That’s not a tweak, that already happened (see Clemson).

 

[BioHawk]

I’m fine with 16 teams, too. Maybe not having a bye is actually best. I still think the first two rounds should be on campus. It’s a LOT to ask fans to travel that much after asking them to make donations for seats and asking them to pay fund collectives for NIL and to subscribe to 17 streaming services.

I completely agree with you but judging from the games so far they don't have a problem finding enough people to fill those stadiums. It's just a shame that a quarterfinal or semifinal game will never be played North of Birmingham.

 

[TJ8869]

That’s not a tweak, that already happened (see Clemson).

Let me rephrase then. Not every conference champion is guaranteed a bye, but the byes are reserved for conference champions. Maybe the byes should go to the four highest ranked teams instead of the four highest ranked conference champions.

 

[FranklinHawk]

Let me rephrase then. Not every conference champion is guaranteed a bye, but the byes are reserved for conference champions. Maybe the byes should go to the four highest ranked teams instead of the four highest ranked conference champions.

This. Let the 4 highest ranked conference champions be auto-bids, but if you're gonna have byes they go to the 4 highest ranked teams in the playoff. In other words, the auto bids and seeding are completely separate.

 

[Formerly Rockymtnole]

I feel like the BCS era was the best

 

[OrlandNole]

It seems a little excessive to me that a team like Penn St. has to play five postseason games (conf championship + four playoff games). That's more than the NFL.

 

[Firekirknow]

It seems a little excessive to me that a team like Penn St. has to play five postseason games (conf championship + four playoff games). That's more than the NFL.

Penn st should have played big championship then bowl game and be done with it. No need for them to be in a playoff

 

[gohawks50]

Penn st should have played big championship then bowl game and be done with it. No need for them to be in a playoff

I'm betting they make the championship game.

 

[soonerinlOUisiana]

I feel like the BCS era was the best

Can’t argue with this. I suppose the BCS would have given us Georgia vs. Oregon or ND vs. Oregon. I’m not sure how the formula would have handled “one less loss vs. one more game played”. Based on the season up through the CCGs, I’d have been OK with either of those matchups.

 

[Pinehawk]

The BCS era would have put undefeated Oregon in the National Championship game.
And, now we know that would have been the wrong decision, after they got crushed by OSU.

 

[hawkifann]

I completely agree with you but judging from the games so far they don't have a problem finding enough people to fill those stadiums. It's just a shame that a quarterfinal or semifinal game will never be played North of Birmingham.

They can find fans to fill them, sure, but it doesn’t mean it wouldn’t be a better product playing on campus and despite what all the corporate sponsors, old-head bowl directors and all will tell you, it’s ok to give a little something back to the normal fans….and you’re right about the north of Birmingham thing.

 

[Formerly Rockymtnole]

The BCS era would have put undefeated Oregon in the National Championship game.
And, now we know that would have been the wrong decision, after they got crushed by OSU.

true

 

[EagleHawk]

Since the whole thing is getting stupid, I will throw this out.

32 teams, 8 teams to a site. First two rounds are just 4 OT periods of going for 2 points. all played in one day. Then the winners play the quarter-final/bowl game after that.
Overtime is so exciting watching just one play for the chance at two points, think how exciting four of those going at once would be. You can put the games in multi-view, so no one misses anything. Also, then Cinderella really has a chance in college football and maybe players would actually stay with their teams through the end of the year.

 

[Formerly Rockymtnole]

Since the whole thing is getting stupid, I will throw this out.

32 teams, 8 teams to a site. First two rounds are just 4 OT periods of going for 2 points. all played in one day. Then the winners play the quarter-final/bowl game after that.
Overtime is so exciting watching just one play for the chance at two points, think how exciting four of those going at once would be. You can put the games in multi-view, so no one misses anything. Also, then Cinderella really has a chance in college football and maybe players would actually stay with their teams through the end of the year.

Add celebrity coaches and I’m in.

 

[ISUBryce]

That’ll never ever fly. Sixteen teams with the first round on home fields but the bowls get the games after that.

Why?

 

[IANDFAN]

I tend to agree but who would you send? Best 8? Conference champs?

Best 8

 

[DooBi]

I'm betting they make the championship game.

Idk, that notre dame defense is the real deal. I think the domers could win it all.

 

[cfbfan23]

I tried to post a pic of Dick Van Pelt and family, but I failed (see Absolut Vodka thread for reason of failure)

 

[Igor Stravinsky10]

There it is. Thanks cfbfan23 😁

 

[BioHawk]

They can find fans to fill them, sure, but it doesn’t mean it wouldn’t be a better product playing on campus and despite what all the corporate sponsors, old-head bowl directors and all will tell you, it’s ok to give a little something back to the normal fans….and you’re right about the north of Birmingham thing.

Nothing you said is wrong except the Powers That Be don't give two flying f**ks about what's best for the fan experience or providing a better product. They absolutely refuse to learn from their mistakes and prefer to just roll around in their buckets of cash they get for maintaining that status quo as much as possible.

 

[seminoleed]

Let me rephrase then. Not every conference champion is guaranteed a bye, but the byes are reserved for conference champions. Maybe the byes should go to the four highest ranked teams instead of the four highest ranked conference champions.

Then they'll rank the top 4 all from the SEC so they all get byes. ☹️

 

[tarheelbybirth]

Why?

The bowls pay big $$$$. That's the only thing that matters. And the bowls can lock in those dollars a year or more ahead of time. I suppose Prudential could sponsor the Prudential CFP Semifinal Game at a Site TBD but that really doesn’t have the ring of the Prudential Rose Bowl.

 

[hawkifann]

Nothing you said is wrong except the Powers That Be don't give two flying f**ks about what's best for the fan experience or providing a better product. They absolutely refuse to learn from their mistakes and prefer to just roll around in their buckets of cash they get for maintaining that status quo as much as possible.

Yep. I’m definitely tilting at windmills.

The bowls love to sell themselves as this great and wonderful nostalgic thing that’s great for the game. The core greed of the bowls have held back college football for at least 30 years. I can’t wait until their model fundamentally breaks, which it will eventually.

 

[LunchBox50]

G5s really should have their own playoffs.

I like this idea.

 

[jamesvanderwulf]

FSU got spurned last year cause they lost their QB but they let Georgia play with a backup and they weren't competitive against ND...

 

[SolarHawk]

Not having to play a first round game at all is preferable to playing a first round home game.

💰💰💰

 

[SolarHawk]

I feel like the BCS era was the best

....how was it better than an actual playoff that decides the true champion actually playing on the field? JFC, please tell me how it was "better"

 

[hawkedoff]

Texas 39 ASU 31. 8 point margin
Notre Dame 23 Georgia 10 13 point margin
Penn State 31 Boise State 14 17 point margin
Ohio State 41 Oregon 21 20 point margin

seems like the so called outsiders that didn't deserve to be seeded that high did just fine in comparison to the teams that supposedly deserved the higher seed.

How do the games play out if each were played at the home stadium of the higher seed

 

[tarheelbybirth]

Yep. I’m definitely tilting at windmills.

The bowls love to sell themselves as this great and wonderful nostalgic thing that’s great for the game. The core greed of the bowls have held back college football for at least 30 years. I can’t wait until their model fundamentally breaks, which it will eventually.

You think there isn’t greed to spare in the P4? And now the players are in the mix with NIL and the portal.

If you want to see true college football, watch the FCS. Montana State and North Dakota State play the championship game this week. Both QBs are Walter Payton Award finalists. MSU is undefeated and NDSU is THE dominant program in FCS. Should be fun.

 

[SolarHawk]

FSU got spurned last year cause they lost their QB but they let Georgia play with a backup and they weren't competitive against ND...

If the 12 team playoff started last year, FSU would have got in. And most likely bounced in the first round, but they would have been in.

 

[BioHawk]

....how was it better than an actual playoff that decides the true champion actually playing on the field? JFC, please tell me how it was "better"

Because it provides hours and hours of useless debates on TV shows and for one particular network it was essential to filling airtime. Also, it allows them to pick the champions in the TV studios rather than playing games on the field because after all, that's the whole point. Right?

 

[BioHawk]

You think there isn’t greed to spare in the P4? And now the players are in the mix with NIL and the portal.

If you want to see true college football, watch the FCS. Montana State and North Dakota State play the championship game this week. Both QBs are Walter Payton Award finalists. MSU is undefeated and NDSU is THE dominant program in FCS. Should be fun.

There absolutely is and the failure of the Universities and the NCAA (which they really couldn't do anything because of the University Presidents) to adapt to the coming changes and create a controlled landing is what brought us to what we have today. Now, it's probably too late to get anything manageable in place because the courts have become involved. I suppose if they allowed for collective bargaining and treated players as employees then some sort of organization could return but the Universities don't want any part of that either so here we are.

 

[ThorneStockton]

The BCS era would have put undefeated Oregon in the National Championship game.
And, now we know that would have been the wrong decision, after they got crushed by OSU.

Is that actually how you think about these things? The playoff era is going to put two of these teams in the National Championship game:

- A two loss OSU team, which we now know would have been the wrong decision, after they lost to a one loss Oregon team, who was crushed in their lone loss, and a mid-Michigan team.

- A two loss PSU team, which we now know would have been the wrong decision, after they lost to a two loss OSU team, who lost to a one loss (crushing) Oregon team.

- A two loss Texas team, which we now know would have been the wrong decision, after they lost twice to a three loss Georgia team.

- A one loss Notre Dame team, which we now know would have been the wrong decision, after they lost to the five loss Idaho Potato bowl winner.


People put too much stock into the results of one game. Ohio State beating Oregon doesn't invalidate Oregon's successful season or retroactively make them the 'wrong' choice to appear in a hypothetical National Championship game. It just means that Ohio State won that day, it's an indication that they were better that day, and an indication that they are a better team than Oregon. Play it again, and it might go Oregon's way - and all of the sudden putting Oregon in a hypothetical National Championship looks less 'wrong' - it turns out they did play before, and Oregon won.

 

[tarheelbybirth]

There absolutely is and the failure of the Universities and the NCAA (which they really couldn't do anything because of the University Presidents) to adapt to the coming changes and create a controlled landing is what brought us to what we have today. Now, it's probably too late to get anything manageable in place because the courts have become involved. I suppose if they allowed for collective bargaining and treated players as employees then some sort of organization could return but the Universities don't want any part of that either so here we are.

An NFL D-league. They need to stop pretending they are playing student-athletes. If the kids want to go to class while they play, great. If they’re just there for the money, also great. I’m about done watching their “product”.

 

[BioHawk]

Is that actually how you think about these things? The playoff era is going to put two of these teams in the National Championship game:

- A two loss OSU team, which we now know would have been the wrong decision, after they lost to a one loss Oregon team, who was crushed in their lone loss, and a mid-Michigan team.

- A two loss PSU team, which we now know would have been the wrong decision, after they lost to a two loss OSU team, who lost to a one loss (crushing) Oregon team.

- A two loss Texas team, which we now know would have been the wrong decision, after they lost twice to a three loss Georgia team.

- A one loss Notre Dame team, which we now know would have been the wrong decision, after they lost to the five loss Idaho Potato bowl winner.


People put too much stock into the results of one game. Ohio State beating Oregon doesn't invalidate Oregon's successful season or retroactively make them the 'wrong' choice to appear in a hypothetical National Championship game. It just means that Ohio State won that day, it's an indication that they were better that day, and an indication that they are a better team than Oregon. Play it again, and it might go Oregon's way - and all of the sudden putting Oregon in a hypothetical National Championship looks less 'wrong' - it turns out they did play before, and Oregon won.

Are you seriously trying to make the argument that the results of games don't matter for determining who the best team is? What's the fricken point then? Just look at which team gets the highest ranked recruits and brings in the most money and just determine them to be the champions. Don't even bother playing the games then. Come on, part of being a champion is being able to win when it matters the most. If they can't do that, then they don't deserve it.

 

[sober_teacher]

It shouldn’t come as a surprise that ASU and BSU lost. Both were seeded much higher than their ranking by virtue of being the champions of second and third-tier conferences. They both had to play teams that were ranked much higher than them.

Georgia was playing with a QB who had never taken a meaningful snap until a month ago. I wasn’t surprised at all that tOSU beat Oregon, but the margin of victory was an eye opener.

Maybe one tweak should be that conference champions automatically get in but don’t automatically get a bye.

This; I’m surprised by the overreaction to the quarterfinals…only the margin of victory in rose bowl should have been a surprise, who knows how the sugar bowl goes if Georgia has their starting quarterback.

This. Let the 4 highest ranked conference champions be auto-bids, but if you're gonna have byes they go to the 4 highest ranked teams in the playoff. In other words, the auto bids and seeding are completely separate.

Disagree - this would end up rewarding teams who didn’t win their conferences to get a bye over the teams that didn’t win everything they were supposed to do.

Let’s just accept that this was a weird year where there just wasn’t a deep group of great teams.

 

[Aardvark86]

Interesting discussion with a work colleague this morning in TX, who is a UT alum.

Apparently, she and many other alums bought their peach bowl tix through the university alumni organization, which makes a certain amount of sense in light of typical practices. But of course, not that many people went to the QF game, and so apparently, the alumni organization charged them a boatload more than the tix available on the secondary market. On top of that, the seats were considerably worse (as in like upper v lower bowl worse). Now, staring at a semi-final game at jerry-world, the alums who bought and traveled at Atlanta are being told by the alumni organization that tickets are not available to them (presumably because of proximity and the simple likelihood that some cohort took a risk and bought the semifinal game instead of the quarters). Apparently lots of pissed alumni.

Which actually highlights an interesting playoff implication that I could easily see a college or university having "missed." My assumption is that in the past, universities have milked their distribution power over post season tickets for alumni for every penny they possibly could. But with three rounds of playoffs, the uncertainty of game outcomes, the accompanying geographic spread and aggregate cost, and the robust secondary market reseller platforms, the universities' power may have suddenly eroded, and dramatically so if the empty seats of the past weekend are any indication.