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All 4 teams with a bye in the CFP lost

This is one of many reasons I see the schools getting together and revolting against the traditional bowls. The schools are gonna want the money a home playoff game brings and it’s absurd that these games are being played at neutral sites. Only the championship game should be a “bowl”
I think having at a possibility 2 or more expensive neutral site games all the way across the country for country is asking a lot of fanbases.

Ohio state in Pasedna and then a week later in Dallas is a lot for people from Ohio.

ND traveling to NOLA and then a week later in Miami is a lot for people from Indiana.

This is after already hosting home playoff games.
 
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Take your imaginary 'best team' title and give it to whoever you want if that makes you feel better. lol.

Look in the mirror. That's what you're trying to do here. Is it to feel better or some other comprehension issue? That's difficult to tell. But what you're lol'ing about others doing, is literally what you're doing here.
 
To be fair half of them were predicted to lose and GA was playing with a backup QB.

The only real big surprise was Oregon.

I think the seeding needs to be re-thought and top seeds should maybe get home games until the final.

I mean that's how it's worked in the NFL for Eons and few complain about that. And teams that got a bye in the first round have pretty good records.

Granted the NFL makes it's division champs the top seeds but unlike the NFL there is a massive difference between the BIG and the SEC conference champs and the ACC and B12 conference champs. So maybe the the byes should go to the #1 and #2 teams in the BIG and the SEC.
 
Look in the mirror. That's what you're trying to do here. Is it to feel better or some other comprehension issue? That's difficult to tell. But what you're lol'ing about others doing, is literally what you're doing here.
No, I'm relying on the playoff system we have to determine the best team. Which is the most robust system we've had yet. You and others, are doing mental gymnastics, to pretend that some other team, that has lost in the playoffs, or didn't make the playoffs, might be the 'best team'.
That's a joke.
 
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Maybe I’m just old, but it has never been particularly important to me to proclaim a definitive national champion. Obviously it’s paramount for some fans and the media. The NCAA has been tweaking the system trying to come up with a formula that satisfies everyone and all they seem to do is create new controversies.

College football was always a regional sport. Conference champions were guaranteed a trip to a specific bowl. If you were a Big Ten or Pac-10 fan then the Rose Bowl was your goal. If you were an SEC fan then the Sugar Bowl was the holy grail.

Sometimes there was a clear-cut national champion and sometimes there were two or more teams that had a legitimate argument. And I was perfectly okay with that.

College football for me is/was all about the Saturday afternoons between Labor Day and Thanksgiving, and the bowl game was the cherry on top at the end.
 
No, I'm relying on the playoff system we have to determine the best team. Which is the most robust system we've had yet. You and others, are doing mental gymnastics, to pretend that some other team, that has lost in the playoffs, or didn't make the playoffs, might be the 'best team'.
That's a joke.

You're using the champion of a 12 team tournament to declare your imaginary 'best team' title. You're using the result of one game to declare that Oregon being in a hypothetical National Championship would now - with hindsight - have been wrong. Yet, you won't allow for the results of other games be considered because they weren't NOW. Talk about mental gymnastics.

I still can't decide if it's a comprehension issue or a comfort issue. Too dull to comprehend or do you find comfort in the simplicity of: winner of most recent game = best?
 
Maybe I’m just old, but it has never been particularly important to me to proclaim a definitive national champion. Obviously it’s paramount for some fans and the media. The NCAA has been tweaking the system trying to come up with a formula that satisfies everyone and all they seem to do is create new controversies.

College football was always a regional sport. Conference champions were guaranteed a trip to a specific bowl. If you were a Big Ten or Pac-10 fan then the Rose Bowl was your goal. If you were an SEC fan then the Sugar Bowl was the holy grail.

Sometimes there was a clear-cut national champion and sometimes there were two or more teams that had a legitimate argument. And I was perfectly okay with that.

College football for me is/was all about the Saturday afternoons between Labor Day and Thanksgiving, and the bowl game was the cherry on top at the end.

Nothing says regional like a Big Ten conference game between UCLA and Rutgers.... realignment is lame.
 
You're using the champion of a 12 team tournament to declare your imaginary 'best team' title.
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This is one of many reasons I see the schools getting together and revolting against the traditional bowls. The schools are gonna want the money a home playoff game brings and it’s absurd that these games are being played at neutral sites. Only the championship game should be a “bowl”
Georgia got $8,000,000 for their QF game. And they had expenses covered to the tune of $3,000,000. Can they clear $8M for a home game where they have to cover the costs?
 
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....how was it better than an actual playoff that decides the true champion actually playing on the field? JFC, please tell me how it was "better"

I don’t get it either. They’re literally playing games on the field to crown a champion instead of letting a formula spit out the 2 teams in a championship game😂
 
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Well, just a couple of posts ago you were laughing at people for declaring an imaginary 'best team' title. When I told you to look in the mirror, because you're doing the same thing, you denied it.

Now it's: uh... ya

I'm leaning towards comprehension issue. Good luck dummy.
You seem confused and not quite sure what you're arguing about.
I'm saying the playoffs will determine the 'best team' and the Champion.
You're saying, actually the 'best team' might not win the playoffs. Which is a joke.
But, by all means, loudly tell everyone after the playoffs are over who you think was actually the best team, so we can get a good laugh.
 
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Well, in that case...guys we've done it!
The Iowa Hawkeyes have actually been determined the 'best team' in college football.

*according to subjective metrics which I made up, that reinforce my personal feelings. Who needs a playoff anyway...
 
Well, in that case...guys we've done it!
The Iowa Hawkeyes have actually been determined the 'best team' in college football.

*according to subjective metrics which I made up, that reinforce my personal feelings. Who needs a playoff anyway...

So just like last year then?,... Okay.
 
That was back when they had a different QB. Quite a different team these days.
That makes a big difference. Just ask Florida St after last year.
(btw, Texas won't be winning the Championship).
Soooo...Georgia - with their starting QB - is the better team. Especially since they won the SEC championship with their back-up QB. That question was settled exactly where you want it settled - on the field. Yet, now, those on field results don't matter? Texas is the "better team" because they made the semis and Georgia didn't?

See how this works?
 
Georgia got $8,000,000 for their QF game. And they had expenses covered to the tune of $3,000,000. Can they clear $8M for a home game where they have to cover the costs?
Yeah, I'm less intrigued by how much they can make off of the bowl itself. But, the leverage that they have traditionally employed over alumni to extract donations, etc. in exchange for points, status, better seats, and the like is not something to be taken lightly as an indirect revenue impact.
 
Well, in that case...guys we've done it!
The Iowa Hawkeyes have actually been determined the 'best team' in college football.

*according to subjective metrics which I made up, that reinforce my personal feelings. Who needs a playoff anyway...
LOL...you keep trying to conflate "champion" - an objective measurement - with "best team" - which, as noted above, is entirely subjective. It might be intentional on your part or you might just be dumb.
 
Soooo...Georgia - with their starting QB - is the better team. Especially since they won the SEC championship with their back-up QB. That question was settled exactly where you want it settled - on the field. Yet, now, those on field results don't matter? Texas is the "better team" because they made the semis and Georgia didn't?

See how this works?
Yes, Texas is the better team right now. Because they made the semis and Georgia didn't.
 
Yes, Texas is the better team right now. Because they made the semis and Georgia didn't.
They didn't play Georgia. They can't be better than Georgia according to your own metrics. Had they flipped opponents, it might have gone differently. Given the outcomes in the quarter finals, Georgia might have fared better had they lost the SEC championship and played a first-round game. Your entirely subjective opinion is that the team that wins the trophy is automatically the season's best team. You can have that opinion but that's all it is. Most people will disagree. What you will have is a true champion. They don't get a best team trophy.
 
You seem confused and not quite sure what you're arguing about.
I'm saying the playoffs will determine the 'best team' and the Champion.
You're saying, actually the 'best team' might not win the playoffs. Which is a joke.
But, by all means, loudly tell everyone after the playoffs are over who you think was actually the best team, so we can get a good laugh.

See, I thought you were having a comprehension issue. And now you confirm that you're not quite sure what I'm arguing about. So I was leaning the right way on that one. I'm not sure how much clearer I can be, but I will try, so that you'll be more sure of what I'm arguing about.

"I'm saying the playoffs will determine the 'best team' and the Champion." - And I agree that they will be the champion. And they may be the 'best' team, they will certainly be among the very best teams who were 'hot' at the right time and won the last games of the season. Does that make them the 'best' team? Maybe. Maybe not. Does the best team lose to the same team twice in a season? Does it matter? Is it best team over the course of the year? Best team of the playoff? It's an imaginary title.

"You're saying, actually the 'best team' might not win the playoffs. Which is a joke." - Which shouldn't be all that controversial, sometimes the better team doesn't win the game. Sometimes the best team doesn't win the championship. We don't get to play 1,000 games to definitively determine the 'best' team. OSU beat Oregon a few days ago, a few months ago Oregon won. If they played another 20 times, maybe we'd know who is 'best', but who cares, only OSU can win the championship.

"But, by all means, loudly tell everyone after the playoffs are over who you think was actually the best team, so we can get a good laugh." - I don't expect to do that - it's an imaginary and meaningless title - you're the one who seems to be focused on crowning such a title. Go for it, if it makes you feel better. lol.

Hopefully that helps. Dummy.
 
They didn't play Georgia. They can't be better than Georgia according to your own metrics. Had they flipped opponents, it might have gone differently. Given the outcomes in the quarter finals, Georgia might have fared better had they lost the SEC championship and played a first-round game. Your entirely subjective opinion is that the team that wins the trophy is automatically the season's best team. You can have that opinion but that's all it is. Most people will disagree. What you will have is a true champion. They don't get a best team trophy.

I do think this is a year that the winner of the playoff will have a pretty good claim to the imaginary 'best team' title. Unlike some years in the past, every team has a blemish, a flaw that can be pointed out, so it's certainly not definitive. And of course it's fairly meaningless outside of message board discussions.
 
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Maybe I’m just old, but it has never been particularly important to me to proclaim a definitive national champion. Obviously it’s paramount for some fans and the media. The NCAA has been tweaking the system trying to come up with a formula that satisfies everyone and all they seem to do is create new controversies.

College football was always a regional sport. Conference champions were guaranteed a trip to a specific bowl. If you were a Big Ten or Pac-10 fan then the Rose Bowl was your goal. If you were an SEC fan then the Sugar Bowl was the holy grail.

Sometimes there was a clear-cut national champion and sometimes there were two or more teams that had a legitimate argument. And I was perfectly okay with that.

College football for me is/was all about the Saturday afternoons between Labor Day and Thanksgiving, and the bowl game was the cherry on top at the end.
I don’t get this argument. College football for decades was able to crown national champions at every level besides FBS. Those lower levels are every bit as regional as any other, and this is frankly true of most sports until realignment screwed much of that up.
 
“Best team” is a very subjective term. The playoffs decide a champion, who many will believe is the best team that day. Ohio State wasn’t the best team against Michigan or Oregon in the regular season. They are the best team today though and I believe they are gonna roll to another Natty.
A game to determine the "best team" on a given day?

Isn't that YOUR definition of a "meaningless exhibition?"
 
Maybe I’m just old, but it has never been particularly important to me to proclaim a definitive national champion. Obviously it’s paramount for some fans and the media. The NCAA has been tweaking the system trying to come up with a formula that satisfies everyone and all they seem to do is create new controversies.

College football was always a regional sport. Conference champions were guaranteed a trip to a specific bowl. If you were a Big Ten or Pac-10 fan then the Rose Bowl was your goal. If you were an SEC fan then the Sugar Bowl was the holy grail.

Sometimes there was a clear-cut national champion and sometimes there were two or more teams that had a legitimate argument. And I was perfectly okay with that.

College football for me is/was all about the Saturday afternoons between Labor Day and Thanksgiving, and the bowl game was the cherry on top at the end.
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Let this discussion serve as proof to all who wonder if there would ever be a system that satisfies people.
No matter how many teams, no matter the format, there will always be people that want to crown their own Champion or 'best team', based on whatever criteria they think up.
 
Let this discussion serve as proof to all who wonder if there would ever be a system that satisfies people.
No matter how many teams, no matter the format, there will always be people that want to crown their own Champion or 'best team', based on whatever criteria they think up.
No one really has any major objections to how teams are selected/seeded in any other college sport. The problem here is 1) this is new, and 2) there’s no set list of objective criteria teams are selected by.

The committee members can each pick whomever they want, however they want.
 
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Let this discussion serve as proof to all who wonder if there would ever be a system that satisfies people.
No matter how many teams, no matter the format, there will always be people that want to crown their own Champion or 'best team', based on whatever criteria they think up.
Those that are pointing out the flaws with the playoff aren't doing so because the want to crown their own champion based on different criteria they are just pointing out that winning the playoff doesn't necessarily mean the winner is the best team. It's no different from any other tournament. Winning the tournament requires skill, luck, and staying relatively healthy over the course of the tournament. If Texas would go on to win it all, one bad no call of targeting was the difference between being champion and going home in the quarter finals.
 
12 was plenty of teams to find a champion. There were clearly at least a couple of teams included who weren't going to win four (or three) straight.
 
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No, I am not seriously trying to make the argument that the results of the game don't matter for determining who the best team is. If you read my post, that would have been clear.

Why are you talking about highest ranked recruits? Why are you mentioning most money? I am at a complete loss for why you think that I would think that?
I guess I just don't understand the point you were trying to make in this paragraph:

People put too much stock into the results of one game. Ohio State beating Oregon doesn't invalidate Oregon's successful season or retroactively make them the 'wrong' choice to appear in a hypothetical National Championship game. It just means that Ohio State won that day, it's an indication that they were better that day, and an indication that they are a better team than Oregon. Play it again, and it might go Oregon's way - and all of the sudden putting Oregon in a hypothetical National Championship looks less 'wrong' - it turns out they did play before, and Oregon won.
You seem to be saying that Oregon should still be regarded as better than Ohio State or something. It really doesn't matter, only one team is playing another game. Oregon should have won when it mattered. Just like all the teams that lost.
 
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So? That doesn't mean they didn't deserve the chance.
Agreed. They had a chance. I'm saying the net was cast wide enough to find the best team this year.
The Title was more accessible to the 'best team' this year, than it has ever been before.
 
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Agreed. They had a chance. I'm saying the net was cast wide enough to find the best team this year.
The Title was more accessible to the 'best team' this year, than it has ever been before.
Ok, I'm following you now. I agree, and most importantly, it was determined by actually playing a game.
 
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12 was plenty of teams to find a champion. There were clearly at least a couple of teams included who weren't going to win four (or three) straight.
I would argue that 12 is too many. If your regular season resume doesn’t clearly establish you as one of the top eight teams in the country then what right do you have to call yourself ‘national champion’ even if you get hot and pull off three or four straight playoff wins?
 
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