Alternate Uniform
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but, I could have sworn I was told by some people on here, that the uni's don't matter. the excited kids in the video must not have received that memo.
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And there's your problem, folks. We are now treating 18 - 23 year olds like "kids". ("See the neat uniform? NOW will you try?" Or do you need another stimulant?")
And there's your problem, folks. We are now treating 18 - 23 year olds like "kids". ("See the neat uniform? NOW will you try?" Or do you need another stimulant?")
I don't get what the big deal is. Just let them have fun. Who cares if they like wearing alternate unis? If the players enjoy it then that's a good thing.
I'm in agreement regarding the uniforms being okay. But that last sentence should not be universally applied. Enjoyment does not equal good in all things. Young men and women prove that all the time when they end up getting arrested.
I'm probably reading way too much into your last statement, but had to say something.
If the players are indeed excited to wear the new unis then, by all means, please, I'm begging, please break them out for the Iowa State game. I can't stand another flat performance against those clowns.
Fake? Aren't all the uniforms done by Nike?
The last throwbacks received great response.
I think he's replying to the weak alternate uniform we tried against Purdue in 2012. It looked like something designed by a well-intentioned 4th grader.
http://www.nikeblog.com/2012/09/13/alternate-iowa-football-uniform-vs-purdue/
That would be my second choice. Maybe they could spike the Iowa State pre-game meal with amphetamines. Something, anything, so that they are ready to knock snot out of the Cyclones.
We should have an alternate uni for the ISU game - so at half time if we are getting beat we can change into it...
Can't believe I'm about to type this... but I think it would be a GREAT idea to surprise everybody with an alternate for the ISU game. Kind of like how Notre Dame breaks out the green unis for big games. I hate to even think that ISU is a "big game", but it is this year.
I love the classic/traditional uniforms that most programs have including ours. I cannot stand the Oregon approach of always wearing something different but I do like the idea for us of wearing an alternate uni once a year. Really good move and look forward to seeing what they have come up with.
It doesn't matter what you like. It matters what recruits like. Big difference.....
Not the 2012 ones, at least as far as I recall.
The 2010 ones were probably the best, because they could honestly work as alt uniforms every year. Especially with a tigerhawk logo on the helmet.
In this picture, Julian Vandervelde repels Ball State defensive linemen with the power of the Force while Rick Stanzi attempts to throw a pass with two hands.
Not the 2012 ones, at least as far as I recall.
The 2010 ones were probably the best, because they could honestly work as alt uniforms every year. Especially with a tigerhawk logo on the helmet.
In this picture, Julian Vandervelde repels Ball State defensive linemen with the power of the Force while Rick Stanzi attempts to throw a pass with two hands.
JV is still in the league, for now, so that force must be doing something right.
Unless I heard it wrong, the song on the video was Rick Ross - 100 Black Coffins. Who said KF ain't trying to be cool?
KF is a closet Rick Ross fan. He bumps it everyday while cruisin' in his Mercedes.
No, the problem was not marketing to your target audience.
I get not liking alternate uniforms, but only a fool would try to argue against what the consumer (recruit) wants, when its something so trivial and easily accomplished.
I can't even believe that those walmart looking things actually made it all the way onto the field.
Not the 2012 ones, at least as far as I recall.
The 2010 ones were probably the best, because they could honestly work as alt uniforms every year. Especially with a tigerhawk logo on the helmet.
In this picture, Julian Vandervelde repels Ball State defensive linemen with the power of the Force while Rick Stanzi attempts to throw a pass with two hands.
If I remember correctly , Nike had a uniform design they suggested we use and instead Iowa decided to do their own thing.
Absolutely brilliant, right up there with the red pompoms for a Wisconsin game.
It seems like who ever was in charge of that stuff may have been let go, or maybe this is the first time someone has actually been incharge of it because , for the first time since the gold out for OSU, they seem to be doing things that make sense.
Have you ever read about the 1st time ND wore the green jerseys? It was on October 8th, 1921. Look it up you will like it.
Also, ND and those green jerseys haven't been very successful in the modern football era. They have a losing record while wearing them.
I have always been in the boat of I don't care if they want to wear purple and pink uniforms, it won't matter in the aspect that it won't make them play any better. Being all jacked up over your uniform probably gets you through the opening kick off. Too many examples of teams in alternate uniforms getting beat for me to buy it will have any affect at all on the product on the field.
We could have the worlds greatest designer create the ultimate uniforms and it still isn't getting the better HS athletes to leave the big money to come to Iowa. Hasn't happened in my life time and I am convinced it won't in the rest of my lifetime.
OK then, promise the players new uniforms BUT only if they beat Iowa State. That should get them jacked well beyond the opening kick-off. Instead of the pre-game prep talk from KF, have the Nike rep give a presentation. If necessary, have them modelled again in the locker room at halftime. Have one of the travelling QBs wear the new uniform on the sideline as a reminder. Its worth a win this year.
The problem with the "ends (landing the desired recruit) justifies the means (catering to their superificial stimulii)" approach is that the means generate other ends as well as the desired end. The other end here is rewarding superficiality.
We continue to weaken as a people, and it is done via a thousand, seemingly "trivial and easily accomplished" little concessions. Any push back against any one of the thousand concessions is dismissed as "the gripes of the status quo dinosaurs". But, eventually, one can see the sum of the thousand concessions, and it doesn't look so good.
Why didn't Duke Slater need an alternate uniform?
There appeared to be a racial divide in the level of excitement.
You act as if these kids don't bust their ass every day for the University and don't deserve and alternate uniform.
Back when Duke Slater played, college football was just a game students played. College football was no where near as popular as it is today. Being a student athlete today is far more difficult than it was 50+ years ago.
I'm not saying that player back then didn't work hard, but the demand on student athletes today is far greater than it was back then. It's a contributor to the attrition rates across college football. Every little mistake they make is seen by everyone, not just on the field but off as well. This adds to the stress of being a student athlete. A lot of student athletes fall out and just can't do it. But those that do make, become very successful after college and at a higher rate than the average college student.
For you to come on here and complain that we are rewarding their superficiality is complete BS. Not only does this attract recruits, but it's a way to reward the student athlete for all the hard work they've done for the University.
Yes, there definitely did. I commented on it previously, but I've been thinking about that every time I see this thread.
It really is changing my "stance" on the whole issue. I wasn't sticking my head in the sand believing that "fun uniforms" weren't popular among the young, but I was always fairly steadfast in believing it wasn't necessary, often simply garish and attention-whoring, so it works at good all-around programs that can control the issue, but it isn't some magical potion for better recruits. I think I largely based this on my own experiences and my own anecdotal data.
So now I'm sort of rethinking my stance a bit, it might simply be largely cultural, and a culture I'm not altogether familiar with. If our black, more likely big-city, players have cultural biases towards this type of "swag" than maybe it is more "necessary" than I thought.
Will it change our program? No, our depth is still almost entirely based on the Iowan-lunch-pail-hay-bailing guys...who showed up to high school in jeans and their dirty jerseys. That is our meat and potatoes, but flirting with this type of thing every so often might lead to an improvement among those who don't fall in to that category.
The same guys who b1tch that Kirk isn't open to new things, b1tch when we actually try new things.
I noted that as well. I guess when a bunch of older, primarily white men discuss alternate uniforms, they might not have a grasp of what matters to the type of kids that can help you win B1G championships. Or it could have just been the song.
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