Angel Rivera

[CatCoach]

Reminds me of Fred Ambrose, a hawkeye favorite from years ago.

Fred was a Hotdog!

 

[HawkFan1986]

I would prefer just one of the guys instead of the double stall because sometimes one guy actually tries scoring the whole. Yes it's subjective but I think more times than not they will get it right. And by all means if neither guy is doing much hit them both

I hear ya. I have no faith that stalls will ever be called correctly again. I say take the subjectivity out of it even though they’d get it right the majority of the time.

Another solution would be the free style step out rule. I was never a proponent of this before but edge wrestling is suffering and people are using the oob line as an extra defender.

Wrestling is a unique sport, in that, it requires both guys attempting to create offense to make an enjoyable entertaining match. If you’re backing up and using the edge as a defender…you’re stalling point blank period. Keep them on the mat, if they run penalize them immediately.

 

[js8793]

He was perfectly fine tonight. Had a big call against Nebraska at the end there.

It was probably the worst call of the night lol

 

[AFHawk86]

I would prefer just one of the guys instead of the double stall because sometimes one guy actually tries scoring the whole. Yes it's subjective but I think more times than not they will get it right. And by all means if neither guy is doing much hit them both

If the ref is doing their job then someone should have gotten a stall warning before the end of a scoreless first period.

 

[el dub]

I hear ya. I have no faith that stalls will ever be called correctly again. I say take the subjectivity out of it even though they’d get it right the majority of the time.

Another solution would be the free style step out rule. I was never a proponent of this before but edge wrestling is suffering and people are using the oob line as an extra defender.

Wrestling is a unique sport, in that, it requires both guys attempting to create offense to make an enjoyable match entertaining match. If you’re backing up and using the edge as a defender…you’re stalling point blank period. Keep them on the mat, if they run penalize them immediately.

I agree. Implement a step out rule, create more scoring and get the (subjective) stalling decision out of the hands of the ref as much as possible.

 

[burk11]

Many interesting viewpoints raised in this thread. It would be within reason that current, or former wrestling officials are regular contributors to this forum. Perhaps those officials could describe the selection criteria, and the evaluation criteria of NCAA (or lower level) wrestling referees.

Wrestling officials who consistently grade well are generally selected for high profile matches/tournaments. Conversely wrestling officials who grade poorly will eventually eliminate themselves; natural selection.

Maybe some comments describing both the objective competencies of wrestling referees (i.e. rules; match control) and the subjective competencies. You have the stage.

 

[acuhawk]

If the ref is doing their job then someone should have gotten a stall warning before the end of a scoreless first period.

This whole discussion is due to that not taking place, and it isn't going to change. So now we're discussing possible changes. I don't like the double stall every time because sometimes one guy is trying ie. Buchanan vs Nebraska. I would be behind a rule that at least one stall is given after a scoreless period. If ref thinks it was even then he hits them both.

 

[AFHawk86]

This whole discussion is due to that not taking place, and it isn't going to change. So now we're discussing possible changes. I don't like the double stall every time because sometimes one guy is trying ie. Buchanan vs Nebraska. I would be behind a rule that at least one stall is given after a scoreless period. If ref thinks it was even then he hits them both.

I’ve given up on the problem being fixed and now advocate for freestyle (without grounding).

 

[TNTwrestle]

This whole discussion is due to that not taking place, and it isn't going to change. So now we're discussing possible changes. I don't like the double stall every time because sometimes one guy is trying ie. Buchanan vs Nebraska. I would be behind a rule that at least one stall is given after a scoreless period. If ref thinks it was even then he hits them both.

Exactly how I feel. Also think a step-out rule would be good. I didn't think I'd like it when it was implemented in FS, but have come to like it since. Sometimes a good side-step gets the wrong guy, but in most of those instances, the guy was just pushing, looking for a cheap point. Also without the grounding. It's too easy to drop as you're going out.

 

[Kwoodhawk]

I’m a proponent of a double stall at the end of a scoreless first period.

Interesting thing was that it wasn't at the end of the period. IIRC it was in the 1st period and I think there was over a minute or so left. I could be wrong though as I was a bit stunned to see the double stall call like that.