If it was self driving. Was that confirmed?
Another deadly Tesla crash....
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If it was self driving. Was that confirmed?
Maybe we should find out if the Tesla was self driving first.
Longer nap than they had planned, if that's the case. Maybe Tesla should re-label the auto-pilot feature "permanent nap mode".
That being said, I saw an equally horrific crash scene in Southern Minnesota a few years ago. Cars had been stopped awaiting road construction on I35 south, and a Dodge Ram had plowed into the rear of a stopped midsized car at full speed. It made v-shaped indentation all the way to the mid-point of the front seat. Both passengers in the car were killed, the pickup driver survived. He reportedly was doing stuff on his phone. Still makes me queasy to think about it.
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By that line of thinking, people should not worry if there are three horrific airline crashes by the end of the year. After all, it would still be safer than other modes of transport. But we generally expect a lot more in terms of safety when someone or something else is in charge.
Humans may suck at driving, but they are still better than a computer at guessing what other drivers are going to do. A computer may know what the other driver is supposed to do, but it can't correct for the multitude of unexpected actions. Until every car on the road is autonomous and communicates with every other car on the road, there will always be problems.
What happened here is unclear. This kind of accident has certainly happened with regular cars often enough that we shouldn't jump to blaming the technology.
My point is simply that perfection isn't the standard we can achieve before we adopt this tech.
It sure as hell wasn't in place when we adopted meatbag operators.
Imagine if Tesla's safety record looked like cars in the 1920s, or 1960s, instead of best in the field.
If we held regular cars and people to the standard some want to hold Tesla, we'd still be riding instead of driving.
Interesting how many of these Tesla incidents have involved run ins with white tractor trailers,.. Seems like a vision system flaw.
And I'm just pointing out that it needs to get better before people will feel comfortable with it. I welcome self-driving vehicles and have posted several times that I eagerly await that development. I really want to remain independent as long as possible, and self-driving cars will be a huge enabler of that in my twilight years.
I disagree. The computer is always paying 100% attention, which immediately gives it a massive advantage over the average driver. And the strives that have been made in AI in recent years is astonishing.
By what metric will you be more comfortable with it than meatbag operators?
‘Cause we may already be there…
To put it another way, I’m not sure I’ll live to see an AI that can out drive a race car driver, but I think we’ll see in practice they outperform the distracted operators we are seeking to replace.
Does the car check to see who is behind you or to the side before swerving to avoid something that’s in front of you? Many of those maneuvers look very dangerous. Especially screeching to a halt at night to avoid a rabbit in the road.
Better than this article describes.
We tried Tesla's 'full self-driving.' Here's what happened
When a dozen small children crossed in front of our Tesla with "full self-driving," I had good reason to be nervous.
www.cnn.com
Well, that’s exactly how I imagine it. Not exactly a ringing endorsement. If you have to be ready at all times to counteract a software error, what is the point? That’s not relaxing at all. I’d save the $10k and just drive.Better than this article describes.
We tried Tesla's 'full self-driving.' Here's what happened
When a dozen small children crossed in front of our Tesla with "full self-driving," I had good reason to be nervous.
Absolutely it does - it is aware of everything going on around it 360-degrees. It has far, far more information about the surroundings than any human can possibly have.
That was emotionally evocative stuff, especially about the kids. My take away was that the writer never suggested that autopilot had a problem noticing the pedestrians, and in fact spotted a bicyclist before the author and avoided creating an accident.Better than this article describes.
We tried Tesla's 'full self-driving.' Here's what happened
When a dozen small children crossed in front of our Tesla with "full self-driving," I had good reason to be nervous.
My girlfriend in college took a right turn not noticing a cyclist and he plowed into the side of her car.
Do you think we can find any pearl clutching NYC cab rides to read about while I wait to hear what metrics we are going to compare Tesla FSD to meatbags with?
The cab that barreled into a Manhattan building Monday and left six people injured had racked up 18 road violations since late 2019, including for speeding in school zones and running red lights, records show.
A woman who identified herself as the wife of Monday’s 60-year-old taxi driver, Khan Zahangir, told The Post on Tuesday that her husband is struggling after the afternoon mayhem on Broadway between 28th and 29th streets.
“He’s upset,” she said at the Queens home listed for the hack.
No it doesn't do that. You better email those folks at Tesla quick to add this to what they are working on. Who possibly would have thought you need 360 degree checks when driving! Thanks for helping to solve this problem!
I’m sensing your sarcasm.
But I’m asking a genuine question. Let’s say a deer runs out in front of you and you have a car behind and to your sides. Does the computer make a snap judgment to plow through the deer? Or does it default to some preset action?
I really don’t know and not sure how it would substitute for human engagement in this scenario.
Thoughts on this?
seems to be a bit of trend, no?
The US federal vehicle auto watchdog dispatched investigators to probe yet another Tesla crash — this time one along Interstate 75 in Florida that killed two people last week.
A Special Crash Investigations team was sent to probe the fatal collission Wednesday, where a 2015 model year Tesla hit the back of a semi-trailer at a rest area near Gainesville, the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration said Friday.
The agency would not divulge if the Tesla was using the company’s partially automated driving technology.
The vehicle was traveling on Interstate 75 about 2 p.m. Wednesday when, for an unknown reason, it careened into a rest area.
It then traveled into the parking lot and struck the back of a parked Walmart Freightliner tractor-trailer, according to a Florida Highway Patrol press release. The car rear-ended the tractor-trailer, a CBS affiliate reported.
The driver and passenger, both from Lompoc, California, were pronounced dead at the scene. The two who died were a 66-year-old woman and a 67-year-old man, according to a local outlet.
US vehicle safety watchdog investigating Tesla crash that killed 2 in Florida
The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration said Friday that it sent a Special Crash Investigations team to probe a collision that killed two people along Interstate 75 in Florida.nypost.com
One of the hardest problems to solve is how to prioritize and make the safest decision. As a human driver, if I'm surrounded by cars and a squirrel runs out in front of me, I'll hope it misses my wheels. If it's a person, I'll probably risk a sideswipe or rear end collision and do whatever it takes to avoid hitting the person. In other cases, I can plow through a plastic bag but may wreck my car if a similarly sized solid object falls out of a truck ahead of me.
This all requires a ton of processing and AI to recognize a wide range of objects and learn to make the best decision. This will be an ongoing running exercise.
And as others have noted, humans don't always make good or consistent decisions and humans can also misidentify or completely miss objects. You might also make different choices than me even in the exact same scenario.
Yeah, but if I’m on the hook I want to be in control. Don’t want AI deciding for me, at least not yet.
I get it. I'm not even trying to argue that the tech is ready. I don't know if it is and want to see studies. I'll just keep pointing out that we can't set the bar at perfect and humans, on the whole, are not as good as they think they are.
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When I was 13 my dad started teaching me to drive on the road. I'd already been driving for a few years but only in farm pastures and stuff.
Taught me a lot but the one thing her really hammered on was, "Never get off the road for an animal." Hit the brakes but drive through it. He'd known someone who swerved to avoid hitting some chickens, rolled his car and died. "Drive through them!" Humans are a different matter of course.
There is a stretch of two lane highway (285) that cuts through the Eglin AFB reservation. I recall reading about a truck that struck a deer and sent it through the windshield of an oncoming car.
It went out the back glass.
Driver of the oncoming car did not survive.
This is a modern spin on the Trolly Problem, which has been debated for 50+ years now. Funny it was also in I, Robot and IMO was one of the (IMO, but they did discuss) under stressed points of conflict in the story.
Computer is 100% going to be more aware of all the factors. The final decision of the "best" outcome will always be judged after the fact with time and a clear head. We will reply in a emotional fashion while an agreed upon code base will likely make a decision that is "better" with clear programming. That isn't 100% yet.
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Computers have malfunctions all the damn time. The computer I'm typing on right now is pretty speedy 95 percent of the time.
But sometimes, it has some sort of issue where it's not responding to my commands for whatever technical reason.
That's NOT paying 100% attention.
Tesla probably doesn't use refurbished computers.
Did you RTFA? It’s a 7-8 year old Tesla not a new model. Even if it was proven it was not the elderly driver’s fault but a computer error….who cares whether or not an 8 year old computer is still up to snuff?
Hasn't stopped anyone on here for posting conjecture. Heck, the second there's a shooting, HROT knows everything there is to know. Why would a Tesla crash be any different?
I don’t think cars are going to be using Windows as their OS.
You realize that computers with an immeasurably smaller capacity than the average desktop successfully have guided rockers to the moon and other planets, don’t your? Your inability to grasp how this could work does not change the chances of it working.
Aren't they getting software updates and patches all the time?
And if the hardware can't handle that, should they be allowed on the road????
OK I'll derail this thread, lol, sort of. Walmart and tesla will both be named in lawsuits by the estate/estates of the deceased persons families.
Surely the Walmart truck was illegally parked!!!!
Surely the Walmart truck was illegally parked!!!!
Hey, have you ever met a computer programmer? Do you want him driving your car for you? I thought not.
Except, at least a half dozen of people all working together to develop, check, test, redevelop code, retest, then stress test then regression it's integration with other interfaces isn't the same thing as having a chauffeur. Your analogy really exposes how little you know about computer software and why you think it is scary. Very similar to Ash and his boom stick leaving the village in awe.
Have you ever flown on a plane, you know who coded the software?
And this discounts the hours and hours of requirements validations with subject matter experts.
And what happens when China hacks your airplane or your Tesla?
I'm honestly considering only driving "classic" cars for the rest of my life that are not connected to the internet in any way, shape or fashion.
Bottom line: Computers crash. There's no way around that. It's what they do.
And if a computer is controlling your car and that computer crashes, then you and your car crash.
Not good.
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