Anyone catch the end of the Gopher game?

[DutchyFunStar]

Ohio was lined up for a long FG to tie it at the end of regulation. Like you would expect Minnesota calls a TO right before the snap, kicker gets in a practice swing, but they flag the kicker for delay of game. Moves the FG from like 54 to 59 yards. Gift wrapped win.

I've never seen a flag thrown then, if there is a TO, what exactly is he delaying?

 

[HawkeyeinOmaha]

I've never seen it before. That is ridiculous.

 

[DutchyFunStar]

In Minnesota's defense, the whistle was clearly a second before the snap, not simultaneous like you see most of the time. But it was still a mind blowing call. Solich was going full Pellini.

 

[Gopher Rube]

It was much more than "a second before." The kicker was determined to get a kick off no matter what. The referee was almost standing next to the kicker by the time he kicked it.

That said, I've never seen that call before.

 

[wyohawk]

Minny had "extra help" in victories over both CSU and Ohio now. I didn't see the Kent victory- any word there?

 

[theiacowtipper]

I just watched on BTN2GO. That is a horse shit call. It happens all the time. Good thing these refs weren't doing the IA/Pitt game.

That kick was good from 64.

 

[rivercityjazzman]

That was crazy. I've never seen that called before. The refs clearly influenced the outcome of the game. There are so many things that regularly occur during ANY game that are violations of the rules, which never get called. To choose to throw a flag, for this type of thing, under those circumstances, was an extremely poor choice on the ref's part.

 

[ichawk24]

That kick was good from 64.

Kirk may not have even attempted the kick from 62, choosing a hail mary.

 

[Packer54]

It was a questionable call at that moment in the game. I think the ref could have used a bit more discretion on that call.

 

[nu2u]

I'm not a college football hard core but I do watch a fair share of games. I have never seen that penalty called in that situation before. The snap was close enough to the whistle to make it a non-call IMO.

Ohio U. outplayed UM most of the game. it is a damn shame that the ref unnecessarily effected the ordinary course of play at the very end. No one will know if the PK would have made the FG but that possibility was far greater than a 45 yard last play hail mary pass into a group of defenders assembled in the end zone.

 

[SiouxCityHawkFan]

Kirk never would have tried it from 60+.

The thing people miss about the Minnesota game is that Ohio was actually given a second chance on their previous drive. The guy missed a chip shot but a false start was called and he ended up making the second kick. He had a very poor track record for field goals and never would have made the 50+ yarder that he was originally attempting anyway. Was it a horrible call? Clearly, but it really had very little impact on the outcome of the game.

That is pretty weak. Why is it delay of game anyway? You are in a freaking time out that Minnesota just called so the game isn't doing anything anyway. Was it so much work for the refs to make two under hand ref style passes with the ball to get it back to the line of scrimmage?

 

[hexumhawk]

I brought this up last week. I actually like them not letting them kick it or flagging them if the other coach calls TO. Stops them from getting a practice kick.

 

[ichawk24]

Was it so much work for the refs to make two under hand ref style passes with the ball to get it back to the line of scrimmage?

The ball that was kicked wouldn't even be the one they'd use on the next play. The Ohio sideline ball boy would throw another ball into play, and some Ohio lackey would get the ball from the goalpost area.

 

[swihawk]

Ohio got ripped off, that said, I'm glad minnie won.

 

[SiouxCityHawkFan]

The ball that was kicked wouldn't even be the one they'd use on the next play. The Ohio sideline ball boy would throw another ball into play, and some Ohio lackey would get the ball from the goalpost area.

I realize that. Was being a bit sarcastic. As to the poster who likes the flag to prevent practice kicks. You know what else prevents them? Not using your timeouts when there is absolutely no data that backs up using them is successful.

 

[cidsports]

Mr. Nebraska Frank Solich has had a hard coaching life. It would have been interesting to see, IF they could have made the kick. Minnesota scoring late sealed the game, frankly.

The Blackshirts of OHIO U didn't get it done.

 

[DarkThunder#61]

It is the rule. It's an unnecessary rule where better use of discretion needs to be applied. But the fact is if the timeout is not nearly simultaneous with the kick, then kicking it well after the TO is a delay of game. So change it.

Btw, I'm guessing another example would be if a defense called a timeout before the offense snaps the ball and then a couple seconds later the offense snaps the ball anyway and the QB throws a bomb and they run through the play and the receiver takes the ball all the way to the end zone then that could be argued as delay of game.

So change the rule. Or like another poster said....coaches could also stop calling timeouts to "ice" the kicker.

 

[Recruiting Violation]

Kirk never would have tried it from 60+.

The thing people miss about the Minnesota game is that Ohio was actually given a second chance on their previous drive. The guy missed a chip shot but a false start was called and he ended up making the second kick. He had a very poor track record for field goals and never would have made the 50+ yarder that he was originally attempting anyway. Was it a horrible call? Clearly, but it really had very little impact on the outcome of the game.

I haven't seen a replay showing the actual kick, but I read that he actually made the one that led to the penalty call. I tried to do a search for a replay video, but came up empty.

 

[The.Donald]

I haven't seen a replay showing the actual kick, but I read that he actually made the one that led to the penalty call. I tried to do a search for a replay video, but came up empty.

Nope. There's a vine of it here. The kicker was barely trying, and the ball never even comes into camera view from behind the posts.

http://www.sbnation.com/college-foo...otball-kicker-penalty-iced-timeout-delay-rule

 

[yerpHAWK]

Kirk never would have tried it from 60+.

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This is new Kirk. He woulda tried it from 70

 

[ichawk24]

The kicker's career long is 49.

 

[HobbieHawk]

isn't there a clock run-off? The refs could have even screwed them out of the attempt by declaring the game over

 

[IowaHawkeyeFBnBB4Life]

I just watched on BTN2GO. That is a horse shit call. It happens all the time. Good thing these refs weren't doing the IA/Pitt game.

Koehn would've been good from 64

 

[JStandefer]

It was much more than "a second before." The kicker was determined to get a kick off no matter what. The referee was almost standing next to the kicker by the time he kicked it.

That said, I've never seen that call before.

And exactly how is that delaying the game?

 

[DogBoyRy]

Ohio was lined up for a long FG to tie it at the end of regulation. Like you would expect Minnesota calls a TO right before the snap, kicker gets in a practice swing, but they flag the kicker for delay of game. Moves the FG from like 54 to 59 yards. Gift wrapped win.

I've never seen a flag thrown then, if there is a TO, what exactly is he delaying?

Saw it - was the only time I've ever seen that called.
Curious - was it Big 10 refs?
I've never seen Big 10 refs give Iowa the benefit of a single call in non conference.

 

[FranklinHawk]

Kirk may not have even attempted the kick from 62, choosing a hail mary.

Finding a way to bash Ferentz in a thread about a game that didn't even involve Iowa, nice job!

 

[hawkcub]

Finding a way to bash Ferentz in a thread about a game that didn't even involve Iowa, nice job!

That's not really bashing Ferentz just more of stating what most coaches would do.

 

[Quintana]

Finding a way to bash Ferentz in a thread about a game that didn't even involve Iowa, nice job!

how is opining he may have forgone the fg attempt from 62 yards, bashing ferentz? i think you're looking for something that isn't there.

 

[thewop]

Ohio was lined up for a long FG to tie it at the end of regulation. Like you would expect Minnesota calls a TO right before the snap, kicker gets in a practice swing, but they flag the kicker for delay of game. Moves the FG from like 54 to 59 yards. Gift wrapped win.

I've never seen a flag thrown then, if there is a TO, what exactly is he delaying?

Wow, I just watched it. While you couldn't tell exactly when the whistle blew, it appeared to be less than a second between the whistle and the snap. That's ridiculous, and the officials should be reprimanded for it.

 

[Titanhawk2]

It was much more than "a second before." The kicker was determined to get a kick off no matter what. The referee was almost standing next to the kicker by the time he kicked it.

That said, I've never seen that call before.

The ref was not yet in the picture per the link above. Kicker was in his motion before rushing linemen quit. Bad call. It's not like they had to chase down that particular ball

 

[ichawk24]

Finding a way to bash Ferentz in a thread about a game that didn't even involve Iowa, nice job!

You're trying too hard.

 

[FranklinHawk]

You're trying too hard.

You're right IC, I probably jumped the gun on this one. It just seems there are a number of folks on here that regardless of results still have to try and find some way to bitch about KF and the coaching staff. My apologies.

 

[Gopher Rube]

Wow, I just watched it. While you couldn't tell exactly when the whistle blew, it appeared to be less than a second between the whistle and the snap. That's ridiculous, and the officials should be reprimanded for it.

I was there and it was not even close to "less than a second." It was probably the longest after the whistle I've ever seen anyone kick it. (Although granted it was probably snapped maybe 2 seconds after the whistle.) Mostly because it's either virtually simultaneous or so far in front they never snap it. I think the center snapped it pretty late very on purpose to get a practice kick in, which if it were my team I'd probably have them do as well.

That said, it was a bad, dumb and, most importantly, unnecessary call. If that happened against the Gophers I'd be pissed and I don't blame Solich for being pissed. The refs were determining way too much of the outcome there needlessly.

To answer a couple questions in this thread:

1) No he missed it badly duck hooking left.

2) As far as I can tell it was a MAC referee crew, although I can't 100% verify that from Mr. Google. The head referee did the 2012 MAC title game and he's not listed as a B10 referee on the list I saw. So, that's what I know about that.

 

[Recruiting Violation]

I was there and it was not even close to "less than a second." It was probably the longest after the whistle I've ever seen anyone kick it. (Although granted it was probably snapped maybe 2 seconds after the whistle.) Mostly because it's either virtually simultaneous or so far in front they never snap it. I think the center snapped it pretty late very on purpose to get a practice kick in, which if it were my team I'd probably have them do as well.

That said, it was a bad, dumb and, most importantly, unnecessary call. If that happened against the Gophers I'd be pissed and I don't blame Solich for being pissed. The refs were determining way too much of the outcome there needlessly.

To answer a couple questions in this thread:

1) No he missed it badly duck hooking left.

2) As far as I can tell it was a MAC referee crew, although I can't 100% verify that from Mr. Google. The head referee did the 2012 MAC title game and he's not listed as a B10 referee on the list I saw. So, that's what I know about that.

I believe all B1G teams hire crews from their non-con opponents' conferences. In general, this is a good practice, as it serves as both a courtesy to the visitor and hopefully eliminates potential complaints about home-cooked officials. However, we've all seen plenty of small-conference officials come into B1G facilities and make some big mistakes. Unfortunately, the quality of officials from any given conference is not necessarily equal. This shouldn't be surprising when hosting MAC or Sun Belt schools, but when Iowa hosted Pitt and got ACC officials, it was surprisingly bad.