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Anyone want to talk Iowa high school post season basketball?

On related note: I read today that DSM public, Ames, Marshalltown, Fort Dodge, Mason City and Ottumwa are leaving the CIML citing the disparity between themselves and the suburb schools.
Hmm, it will be interesting to see how that ends up working out for other sports.

Also, I wonder what these new conferences will look like.
 
My 'like' is for the post, though I almost gave an angry face for a team stalling

Uh, it was gross. I feel for the kids. Just passing the ball around the extended perimeter for 16 minutes I would imagine was just an absolute blast.
 
Hmm, it will be interesting to see how that ends up working out for other sports.

Also, I wonder what these new conferences will look like.
Yes only concern I see is how far some of these teams have to travel for every game but that's not really a correctable issue for places like Fort Dodge, Marshalltown, Ottumwa and Mason City. Have to go a long way to find schools your size for that group.
 
Anyone have a quick scouting report on the Pella boys team?
 
The final in this game was 57-28. The 86 points was in the regular season game. :)

Gotcha.

Again though, it's meh to me because this is what I routinely see at the smaller classes when good teams blowout worse teams, and no stall ball tactics are used...........

If this were a systemic problem across the state of Iowa in high school basketball, that's one thing.

But it's not.
 
Nah, Pella Christian recruited away all their good players.;)
The only player that moved between schools is arguably currently the best player for Pella. He went to Pella Christian Schools his whole life until a couple of years ago. Add Newton's best player who open enrolled at Pella this year, and your biases are not confirmed.

I can't remember the last kid that was a good basketball player at Pella Christian that didn't either attend school there or at one of the other local feeder Christian schools throughout his elementary and grade school years too. Maybe Cliff Warner about 12-13 years ago? Regardless, the notion that Pella Christian recruits is laughable to anyone who has ever lived in Pella.
 
Anyone have a quick scouting report on the Pella boys team?
Lots of athletes, like usual.

Grant Nelson looks like a football player but is a tough defender, can drive the ball, and has a good outside shot. He's their energy guy.

Karl Miller is an excellent shooter with many ways to find a shot. When he gets hot, which is often, Pella is nearly unstoppable. He is really good from distance, but he can also shoot off the dribble using a difficult-to-defend step-back jumper. He keeps the ball high, so he's difficult to defend as a shooter.

Noah Allen is the Newton transfer. He comes off the bench, and he's quick. He's a bit of a streaky shooter, but when he's hot he is a difficult matchup.

Outside of those players, their outside shooting is suspect. If you need to foul at the end of a close game, foul anyone but the aforementioned three. The remainder of the players, in my opinion, are just athletes that work their butts off on both sides of the court. They will play almost exclusively man-to-man (I think) and try to get in your shorts, and they will outwork you on the boards if you're not willing to match their energy.

Parker Elder is a freak athlete/jumper. He likes to take it to the hoop, but he's not a great outside shooter.

Warner is like many of his older brothers in that he's an energy guy and a defensive difference maker. He and Nelson move their feet well and like to take charges, but he's not a great shooter either.

Mace is another streaky shooter than can be dangerous. He primarily gets kick outs on the dribble driver and shoots the three.

They don't have much height, so a team that can deal with their defensive athleticism and have a skilled big man would be a difficult matchup for them.
 
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The only player that moved between schools is arguably currently the best player for Pella. He went to Pella Christian Schools his whole life until a couple of years ago. Add Newton's best player who open enrolled at Pella this year, and your biases are not confirmed.

I can't remember the last kid that was a good basketball player at Pella Christian that didn't either attend school there or at one of the other local feeder Christian schools throughout his elementary and grade school years too. Maybe Cliff Warner about 12-13 years ago? Regardless, the notion that Pella Christian recruits is laughable to anyone who has ever lived in Pella.
Think about my name. I know a thing or two about Pella Christian.
 
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Gotcha.

Again though, it's meh to me because this is what I routinely see at the smaller classes when good teams blowout worse teams, and no stall ball tactics are used...........

If this were a systemic problem across the state of Iowa in high school basketball, that's one thing.

But it's not.
For the sake of argument let's say cost was a non issue. What are the advantages in your opinion of not having a shot clock? I really can't think of any.

Your argument seems to be it's not a big enough issue to address. But are there any real positives other than not spending money on the clocks?
 
Lots of athletes, like usual.

Grant Nelson looks like a football player but is a tough defender, can drive the ball, and has a good outside shot. He's their energy guy.

Karl Miller is an excellent shooter with many ways to find a shot. When he gets hot, which is often, Pella is nearly unstoppable. He is really good from distance, but he can also shoot off the dribble using a difficult-to-defend step-back jumper. He keeps the ball high, so he's difficult to defend as a shooter.

Noah Allen is the Newton transfer. He comes off the bench, and he's quick. He's a bit of a streaky shooter, but when he's hot he is a difficult matchup.

Outside of those players, their outside shooting is suspect. If you need to foul at the end of a close game, foul anyone but the aforementioned three. The remainder of the players, in my opinion, are just athletes that work their butts off on both sides of the court. They will play almost exclusively man-to-man (I think) and try to get in your shorts, and they will outwork you on the boards if you're not willing to match their energy.

Parker Elder is a freak athlete/jumper. He likes to take it to the hoop, but he's not a great outside shooter.

Warner is like many of his older brothers in that he's an energy guy and a defensive difference maker. He and Nelson move their feet well and like to take charges, but he's not a great shooter either.

Mace is another streaky shooter than can be dangerous. He primarily gets kick outs on the dribble driver and shoots the three.

They don't have much height, so a team that can deal with their defensive athleticism and have a skilled big man would be a difficult matchup for them.
Thanks. Their first round matchup against Monticello should be a good game.
 
For the sake of argument let's say cost was a non issue. What are the advantages in your opinion of not having a shot clock? I really can't think of any.

Your argument seems to be it's not a big enough issue to address. But are there any real positives other than not spending money on the clocks?
Probably. But since there doesn't need to be any positives to not having a shot clock in the current game of high school basketball, I'm not gonna come up with any..........

That's my point.

Of course I can think of more negatives to having a shot clock besides spending money on it and hoping the middle-aged adults (or uninterested teenagers) running it don't routinely screw up (and/or fall asleep in the case of the adults..........)
 
Probably. But since there doesn't need to be any positives to not having a shot clock in the current game of high school basketball, I'm not gonna come up with any..........

That's my point.

Of course I can think of more negatives to having a shot clock besides spending money on it and hoping the middle-aged adults (or uninterested teenagers) running it don't routinely screw up (and/or fall asleep in the case of the adults..........)
Don’t understand this at all. If the Dakotas can do it why can Iowa not? Iowa was one of the original adopters of the 3 point shot many many years ago. Not sure where you are going about what positives there are? If a shot clock wasn’t needed why was it added at the college level? Sure, it’s only a handful of games where teams stall but it’s just predictable and just bad optics. I get that some teams are overmatched. The game was not meant for teams to just sit on the ball.
 
Don’t understand this at all. If the Dakotas can do it why can Iowa not? (Because f*** the Dakotas, that's why.....) Iowa was one of the original adopters of the 3 point shot many many years ago. (Yes, they were...............................................) Not sure where you are going about what positives there are? (It's the "more is better" argument. More isn't always better in sports. This is one of those cases.) If a shot clock wasn’t needed why was it added at the college level? (Do you want the long version, or the short version of that answer? I mean you could also look it up, but you're trying to correlate college athletics to high school athletics in the process, so I'm not sure you would get the answer if you looked it up yourself........) Sure, it’s only a handful of games where teams stall (Yup....) but it’s just predictable (Subjective opinion...) and just bad optics. (That's a matter of perspective....) I get that some teams are overmatched. (Ha....."some teams".) The game was not meant for teams to just sit on the ball. (Also subjective opinion on the original intention for the game of basketball.)
I'd like to go in depth on the history of college basketball, but I'm pooping at the Rec Center and then gonna hop on the treadmill because that's the only workout I can do right now that doesn't cause chest pain, so you're just gonna have to fill in most of the blanks on your own...........Friends? :D
 
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