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Apparently, Florida is catching drug dealers with stacks of EBT (food stamp) cards....

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TALLAHASSEE, Fla. -

As state lawmakers move forward with measures to expand where and how people can carry handguns, they don't want Floridians trading government food aid to get firearms.

People found swapping state food-assistance benefits for firearms or drugs would face tougher penalties, under a bill that cleared its first legislative committee Tuesday.

The Senate Criminal and Civil Justice Appropriations Subcommittee unanimously supported the bill (SB 218), filed by Sen. Travis Hutson, R-Elkton. Hutson said the measure is needed as Florida is one of 10 states where trafficking involving Electronic Benefits Transfer, or EBT, cards has become a problem, with most cases in the Jacksonville, Tampa, Fort Myers, Palm Beach County and Lakeland areas.

"I've heard from our state attorneys and assistant state attorneys, where they've gone into individuals' homes and seen drugs, firearms and stacks of EBT cards," Hutson said. "Their thought process is, this is happening. It is a problem. But we don't give them enough tools in their tool belts to identify what they can do with the trafficking of these EBT cards."

Hudson's proposal would make it a first-degree misdemeanor to trade the benefits from EBT cards, better known as food stamps, for firearms, ammunition, explosives, controlled substances, cash or considerations other than eligible types of food.

A House bill (HB 105), sponsored by Rep. Jimmie Smith, R-Inverness, also attacks the underground trading of EBT cards. It would go further than the Senate bill by making an initial arrest a third-degree felony for possessing two or more EBT cards that have been issued to other people or to attempt to sell one or more of the cards.

The penalty would also include a six-month mandatory sentence of community service spent with a non-profit that distributes food to the needy. Smith's bill goes before the House Criminal Justice Subcommittee on Wednesday.

In 2013, the Legislature approved a law that prohibited EBT cards from being used at strip clubs, liquor stores and gambling establishments. During the 2013 session, several Democrats called the Republican-backed proposal political posturing, noting that the state Department of Children and Families already had the ability to shut off EBT cards from being used at such facilities.

http://www.news4jax.com/news/lawmakers-seek-to-stop-trading-of-ebt-cards-for-guns/36243510
 
It happens and has happened for a long time. It's a pretty profitable business actually and the original recipients of the cards get paid monthly for a portion of the amount deposited onto the card
 
Then they should be arrested and charged with appropriate crimes for obtaining the cards illegally, as should anyone illegally providing them with the cards.
 
Then they should be arrested and charged with appropriate crimes for obtaining the cards illegally, as should anyone illegally providing them with the cards.

Well, that's what Florida is thinking about doing, making the punishment harsher for this.

But it makes you wonder... nationwide, how many taxpayer dollars are NOT being spent to feed underprivileged people, but instead are spent on drugs, guns, stuff at the flea market, etc.?
 
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http://www.snopes.com/photos/signs/receipt.asp
 
I've had people approach me with that, or a similar, scam all the time. They offer to buy your groceries on the EBT card in exchange for cash that is less than the amount of the groceries. It amazes me, how much the system is abused and how many supporters of it are blind to it.

Well, it sounds like a law enforcement problem to me, and not a problem with the program. Abusers should be arrested and prosecuted. If penalties need to be stiffer, that's fine with me.
 
Well, it sounds like a law enforcement problem to me, and not a problem with the program. Abusers should be arrested and prosecuted. If penalties need to be stiffer, that's fine with me.

It absolutely is a problem with the program. Reagan wanted to hand out actual food and liberals were all up in arms about it. It was called "Reagan cheese."
 
Well, it sounds like a law enforcement problem to me, and not a problem with the program. Abusers should be arrested and prosecuted. If penalties need to be stiffer, that's fine with me.
What are you gonna do, put cops in every food store?

I say get rid of the program as it exists altogether. Provide food to those who need it directly.
 
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Interesting that you see food as the problem instead of the gun part of the equation.
 
Well, it sounds like a law enforcement problem to me, and not a problem with the program. Abusers should be arrested and prosecuted. If penalties need to be stiffer, that's fine with me.
Law enforcement doesn't have enough manpower to address it. Most large jurisdictions have a special group of employees to investigate welfare fraud, but they only scratch the surface.
 
Law enforcement doesn't have enough manpower to address it. Most large jurisdictions have a special group of employees to investigate welfare fraud, but they only scratch the surface.
Again, why is food the problem? Why isn't the focus on the gun side?
 
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What are you gonna do, put cops in every food store?

I say get rid of the program as it exists altogether. Provide food to those who need it directly.

Well if you read the snopes link you'd notice that the gentleman who purchased all of that stuff tried to sell it for 50% the cost on the street and was arrested and charged with welfare fraud.

Nice to see everyone getting on board with paying people a "living wage". If we paid the a "living wage" they could buy all of the lobster, steak, and Mt. Dew their hearts desired or they could just buy the drugs they wanted in the first place rather than selling EBT purchased food.
 
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Well if you read the snopes link you'd notice that the gentleman who purchased all of that stuff tried to sell it for 50% the cost on the street and was arrested and charged with welfare fraud.

Nice to see everyone getting on board with paying people a "living wage". If we paid the a "living wage" they could buy all of the lobster, steak, and Mt. Dew their hearts desired or they could just buy the drugs they wanted in the first place rather than selling EBT purchased food.

Should a 15-year-old burger flipper earn this "living wage"?
 
Well if you read the snopes link you'd notice that the gentleman who purchased all of that stuff tried to sell it for 50% the cost on the street and was arrested and charged with welfare fraud.

Nice to see everyone getting on board with paying people a "living wage". If we paid the a "living wage" they could buy all of the lobster, steak, and Mt. Dew their hearts desired or they could just buy the drugs they wanted in the first place rather than selling EBT purchased food.
If they don't need their EBT to actually buy food, then they must already be making a "living wage".
 
The topic was welfare fraud via EBT card sales. Food has nothing to do with it.
The very first sentence in the article doesn't agree with you:

"As state lawmakers move forward with measures to expand where and how people can carry handguns, they don't want Floridians trading government food aid to get firearms."
 
The very first sentence in the article doesn't agree with you:

"As state lawmakers move forward with measures to expand where and how people can carry handguns, they don't want Floridians trading government food aid to get firearms."

And the next seven paragraphs, aka the rest of the article, focus on welfare/EBT fraud.

Good grief, Red or Grey, you're the same clueless ideologue.
 
Should a 15-year-old burger flipper earn this "living wage"?

Nope. But we're adults here, so I assume we can come up with some type of compromise. Most of us know the 15 year old "burger flipper" probably has parents who pay the mortgage, electric bill, gas bill, provide food and clothing, etc, etc, etc. So as adults we're of the mature age to look at each situation in an isolated fashion and determine who qualifies. The 15 year old living at home doesn't qualify, but the 25 year old with a couple of kids does. See how easy that was?

When I was a 15 year old working at Hy-Vee I couldn't work past 7PM on any night, and couldn't accrue more than 25 hours (I think that was the number, it was a long time ago) in a given work week. So we could use that as the barometer for who does and doesn't qualify for the "living wage".
 
Nope. But we're adults here, so I assume we can come up with some type of compromise. Most of us know the 15 year old "burger flipper" probably has parents who pay the mortgage, electric bill, gas bill, provide food and clothing, etc, etc, etc. So as adults we're of the mature age to look at each situation in an isolated fashion and determine who qualifies. The 15 year old living at home doesn't qualify, but the 25 year old with a couple of kids does. See how easy that was?

When I was a 15 year old working at Hy-Vee I couldn't work past 7PM on any night, and couldn't accrue more than 25 hours (I think that was the number, it was a long time ago) in a given work week. So we could use that as the barometer for who does and doesn't qualify for the "living wage".


We agree. Think you could help me out in this thread?

http://iowa.forums.rivals.com/threads/okay-how-about-this-alternative-minimum-wage-idea.49484/
 
If they don't need their EBT to actually buy food, then they must already be making a "living wage".

Some people prefer to feed their addiction (which is why I assume they sold the food) over actually eating. They qualified for food assistance according to Michigan law and also didn't break any welfare laws that Michigan has on the books (in regards to what they purchased with the EBT card. Fraud is obviously illegal). The problem becomes also that I'm not sure either of the two in the above receipt story work. They may not, so even with a "living wage" you still might have some of these instances but they would be reduced.
 
Well if you read the snopes link you'd notice that the gentleman who purchased all of that stuff tried to sell it for 50% the cost on the street and was arrested and charged with welfare fraud.

Nice to see everyone getting on board with paying people a "living wage". If we paid the a "living wage" they could buy all of the lobster, steak, and Mt. Dew their hearts desired or they could just buy the drugs they wanted in the first place rather than selling EBT purchased food.
Earning a living wage and being able to afford lobster and steak are not the same.
 
Nope. But we're adults here, so I assume we can come up with some type of compromise. Most of us know the 15 year old "burger flipper" probably has parents who pay the mortgage, electric bill, gas bill, provide food and clothing, etc, etc, etc. So as adults we're of the mature age to look at each situation in an isolated fashion and determine who qualifies. The 15 year old living at home doesn't qualify, but the 25 year old with a couple of kids does. See how easy that was?

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If you think a tiered minimum wage depending on some set of criteria would be "easy" to set up and administer you are extremely naive. Not to mention, almost every business owner would find a way to staff up with cheaper "kids" v. expensive "adults".
 
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If you think a tiered minimum wage depending on some set of criteria would be "easy" to set up and administer you are extremely naive. Not to mention, almost every business owner would find a way to staff up with cheaper "kids" v. expensive "adults".

If you're an adult flipping burgers at the fast food restaurant, you really need to re-evaluate your life choices.
 
"Hudson's proposal would make it a first-degree misdemeanor to trade the benefits from EBT cards, better known as food stamps."

Whoa! Not a misdemeanor! Whatever would these people do? That would be like a secondary NCAA violation. It would mean absolutely nothing. How about lowering or eliminating their aide?
 
Earning a living wage and being able to afford lobster and steak are not the same.

You think the steak and lobster are what he really wanted? If so why sell it after you leave the supermarket? He wanted cash for something (alcohol, cigs, drugs, etc). So eliminate the middle man of welfare and pay the guy a living wage so we can avoid him selling "luxury" items for cash.

Of course this is all an assumption on my part that either of the deadbeats are actually working. Probably a long shot on my part.
 
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