Are You Sinning Enough?

[LuciousBDragon]

That's the basis for my earlier syllogistic argument. IF God wants us to believe, he knows what it takes for us to come around and he can easily provide what's needed.

Try this thought experiment....

A being appears to you and claims to be the real, true God. BUT he isn't the Abrahamic God and he denies the divinity of Jesus.

Naturally, you are skeptical. Right? So your first question might be "How do I know you are the real, true God?"

My argument is that the real true God will be able to answer that to your complete satisfaction. Because he will know what it takes for you to believe, and he will be able to provide that proof.

So . . . if God really does want us all to be saved, and if being saved requires faith, and if God can easily prove himself to everyone's satisfaction, then why are there non-believers?

To me, there are only a few possible resolutions to this conundrum. The main ones are:

1. God doesn't exist;

OR

2. Being saved doesn't require faith;

OR

3. God doesn't really care if we are all saved.

I think you are horribly underestimating the impact of free-will on mankind.

 

[InsaneHawkJJP]

Atheists resist. Humans are naturally rebellious.

Seriously? There are far more religious people on this planet than atheists.

 

[BrianNole777]

Seriously? There are far more religious people on this planet than atheists.

Not in America.

U.S. Church Membership Falls Below Majority for First Time

For the first time in Gallup's polling history, less than half of U.S. adults report belonging to a church, synagogue or mosque.

news.gallup.com

 

[InsaneHawkJJP]

Not in America.

U.S. Church Membership Falls Below Majority for First Time

For the first time in Gallup's polling history, less than half of U.S. adults report belonging to a church, synagogue or mosque.

news.gallup.com

I said worldwide. My point was that people aren’t naturally rebellious like you stated. People want to belong to groups with the same beliefs as them. 99% of the people I know are religious.

 

[DFSNOLE]

Not in America.

U.S. Church Membership Falls Below Majority for First Time

For the first time in Gallup's polling history, less than half of U.S. adults report belonging to a church, synagogue or mosque.

news.gallup.com

Not belonging to or regularly attending a church does not make one an atheist.

 

[BrianNole777]

Not belonging to or regularly attending a church does not make one an atheist.

America is 80% atheist now for the age group under 65, in my estimate.

 

[DFSNOLE]

America is 80% atheist now for the age group under 65, in my estimate.

And, on what do you base your estimation? I didn't know your last name is Pew.

How many national surveys have you done? How many people have you personally interviewed about their faith or lack thereof? Anecdotal evidence should never be the basis of that type of declaration.

 

[BrianNole777]

And, on what do you base your estimation? I didn't know your last name is Pew.

How many national surveys have you done? How many people have you personally interviewed about their faith or lack thereof? Anecdotal evidence should never be the basis of that type of declaration.

I base it on the decline of Church attendance (80% of Americans do not attend any religious service weekly) and the hundreds if not thousands of people I've engaged with on the topic. The vast majority are essentially atheists.

It's an inexact science obviously and just my personal estimate. Many people disagree on what an atheist is.

The steep decline of practicing Christians in America is well documented however.

 

[InsaneHawkJJP]

I base it on the decline of Church attendance (80% of Americans do not attend any religious service weekly) and the hundreds if not thousands of people I've engaged with on the topic. The vast majority are essentially atheists.

It's an inexact science obviously and just my personal estimate. Many people disagree on what an atheist is.

The steep decline of practicing Christians in America is well documented however.

Where the fvck do you come up with these numbers?
Before you ask, I have never and will never open one of your religious site links.

 

[BrianNole777]

Where the fvck do you come up with these numbers?
Before you ask, I have never and will never open one of your religious site links.

I've posted the links before on HBOT.

 

[DFSNOLE]

I base it on the decline of Church attendance (80% of Americans do not attend any religious service weekly) and the hundreds if not thousands of people I've engaged with on the topic. The vast majority are essentially atheists.

It's an inexact science obviously and just my personal estimate. Many people disagree on what an atheist is.

The steep decline of practicing Christians in America is well documented however.

Essentially atheist does not equal atheist. You are trying to make this a black and white issue when it's far from that.

 

[BrianNole777]

Essentially atheist does not equal atheist. You are trying to make this a black and white issue when it's far from that.

Thanks for your perspective.

 

[InsaneHawkJJP]

I've posted the links before on HBOT.

Did you even read my post? I’m not clicking on your links. Cut and paste some for me.

 

[1inamillion]

This is called "whistling while walking by the graveyard ".

 

[BrianNole777]

Cut and paste some for me.

Nah.

You can research on your own if you'd like.

 

[InsaneHawkJJP]

Nah.

You can research on your own if you'd like.

WWJD?

 

[BrianNole777]

WWJD?

Bible Gateway passage: Matthew 10:14 - New International Version

If anyone will not welcome you or listen to your words, leave that home or town and shake the dust off your feet.

www.biblegateway.com

 

[THE_DEVIL]

Nobody does

 

[BrianNole777]

Nobody does

Damn you!

 

[DFSNOLE]

Thanks for your perspective.

I know you think you're being clever posting this but what it really is is an admittance that you have conceded the debate.

Debate not argument before you attach your favorite link.

 

[BrianNole777]

I know you think you're being clever posting this but what it really is is an admittance that you have conceded the debate.

Debate not argument before you attach your favorite link.

I don't debate anymore. It doesn't do anything but waste time.

All I can do is give my perspective, which is different than other people's.

When other people disagree, that's their right. Everyone is free to have their own beliefs.

 

[InsaneHawkJJP]

Bible Gateway passage: Matthew 10:14 - New International Version

If anyone will not welcome you or listen to your words, leave that home or town and shake the dust off your feet.

www.biblegateway.com

Comprehension problems today, Bri?

 

[LuciousBDragon]

When it's pointed out that he could easily make sure everyone is saved, you make up excuses.

Robots. You’re describing robots.

Do you feel like a robot? Or, do you feel like you have free-will? Forcing us to accept salvation makes salvation meaningless.

There are people who will still reject God even when revealed to them.

Demons may be against God but they acknowledge He exists and tremble at His name.

 

[BrianNole777]

Comprehension problems today, Bri?

In that passage, Jesus advised his disciples to leave a situation where they weren't welcomed.

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

If you want to know, try the prayer I recommended for 6 months. Be patient. See how you feel.

People who say "try this" about something that seems silly need to provide evidence that it will have good effect.

The only studies of prayer I'm aware of fail to show positive effects.

Sure, if you immerse yourself in cultish influences, you are more likely to adopt cultish values. Look at fashion and social media. But what does that prove?

To put it bluntly, why would I want to go through a lengthy process with the purpose of ending up believing unsubstantiated myths and fiction?

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

WWJD?

Sorry, I took a break for a while. If you can recap for me, I'll try to respond.

 

[BrianNole777]

People who say "try this" about something that seems silly need to provide evidence that it will have good effect.

The only studies of prayer I'm aware of fail to show positive effects.

Sure, if you immerse yourself in cultish influences, you are more likely to adopt cultish values. Look at fashion and social media. But what does that prove?

To put it bluntly, why would I want to go through a lengthy process with the purpose of ending up believing unsubstantiated myths and fiction?

Thanks for your perspective.

 

[InsaneHawkJJP]

Sorry, I took a break for a while. If you can recap for me, I'll try to respond.

I was just asking Brian what Jesus would do.

 

[Jimmy McGill]

Science and religion don't mesh. Thats a fact, Jack

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]