Haven't seen them much yet. Holy **** they are loaded. Lottery picks all over.
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That narrative didnt hold up too well last year.
Didn’t the Pac12 have 3 Elite 8 teams last season?
It’s a really good conference, and every year is grossly under-seeded.
That’s a bs take this year. UCLA, USC and Arizona are all really good teams. Potential final 4 teams. Some weak teams sure but none weaker than Nebraska.
Im not sure there’s a Big 10 team that would crack the top 3 in the Pac 12
NCAA is a joke. Fire their coach and no other penalties. Makes sense paying for players. Guess with NIL now, water under the bridge. Might as well give Reggie Bush back his Heisman.
Oh for sure it is a joke but I'm commenting on how good they are while completely agreeing.
I've watched them a ton this year. The game at UCLA they looked very pedestrian, but they shot like shit (funny how that works). Otherwise, they just overwhelm teams. If I had to pick today, I'd take them to win it all.
I imagine the PAC-12 also don't have officials that call a completely different game than what is played in the tournament forcing teams to play a different style than they've played for the entire season and then underperform.
Maybe they should send some of their players to Iowa so we can win a national championship......
Posting this the year after the PAC 12 had 3 elite eight teams and Gonzaga made the final seems odd.
Have seen nearly all of their games. They are learning how to win games using different styles of play. Lloyd likes to have them play fast and really move the ball but they can also slow it down and pound it inside. Team chemistry appears to be good and guys are willing to take a step back when someone else gets hot. Fun team to watch. Don’t underestimate the PAC-12. When Arizona, UCLA and USC are on, they can beat anyone. BTW the Arizona Women’s team is pretty darn good as well. The “experts” thought they would take a step back this season after losing Aari McDonald but they have picked up where they left off last season. Adia really knows how to teach defense as they pressure all game long and at some point they will turn you over. Last weekend in the McKale Center, the men beat UCLA and USC on Thursday and Saturday while the women beat Oregon and Oregon State in front of combined crowds of 47K fans.
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Me too.
Loaded with elite guard talent and very, very well coached. They can bury you in a hurry. Tough, tough matchup for anyone on a short prep.
What does last NCAAT have to do with the PAC is garbage outside of 3 or 4 teams?
In a crap-shoot of a tourney? PAC-12 has had 1 good run in the last 3.tourneys. they totaled 4 wins in the 17-18 and 18-19 tourneys... as a conference.
Oh I get it, so last year's "crapshoot" tourney where they had 3 in the elite eight says nothing about the conference strength, but the tourney's from 3 and 4 years ago with completely different players tells us everything we need to know. Makes sense.
The best teams tend to win, but in a single elimination tourney, you can get weird results.
If you want to use prior NCAATs as how good a conference is (you used last years tourney), then my response is perfectly valid (there was no tourney for the PAC to win 1 or 2 total games in 19-20 so I had to go back to get a few years for more data).
The 4th place team in the PAC, according to their conference website standings, has home losses to Eastern Washington, Boise St, South Dakota St, and New Mexico St. The 4th place team.
The conference this year is 18-53 in Q1 opportunities. The Big 12 is 43-59 in Q1, B1G is 42-75, SEC is 38-72.
Arizona is good, UCLA is good, USC is pretty good, after that there is Oregon who CAN be good but also will lose by 32 to BYU, and maybe Stanford who is good enough to beat some PAC teams but in 4 games against Arizona, Baylor and UCLA (2×) the average score is 79-55, not in their favor.
Funny when you compare the top 10 teams and the schools caught up in the FBI investigation and subsequent NCAA investigations. Auburn, Arizona, Kansas. Houston is also in the top 10 (Mr. Sampson) and of note- Illinois (Mr. Underwood’s staff at Oklahoma St got in some hot water).
I get what you're saying. Originally I thought you were trying to diminish how good the top teams in the PAC 12 are because of the weak teams at the bottom. Gonzaga was a legitimate powerhouse last year though. Them and Baylor were a clear cut above the rest. Most other years the Zags would have won it all with that team imo.
It's truly baffling to me the B1G brass cannot see this as truth and fix the issue. Basketball when officiated correctly is a free flowing beautiful sport. B1G allows SO much physicality that it sometimes appears to be football on the hard court. That for sure impacts teams come tournament time.
As Jay Bilas said the other night, "Freedom of Movement" is dead. The game, as a whole, has gotten way too physical and the officiating is so irrational at times it's hard to figure out how to play the game. Sad situation for what ought to be a beautiful sport instead of a game of bumper cars.
The freedom of movement push lasted about 2 weeks in the Big 10 a few years ago. Izzo whined, so it's been football ever since
Just watching the games this week it’s crazy how physical the games are. It gets that way as conference season gets later in the year. However, it’s not just the Big Ten. Bilas could not believe how physical the KU Texas game was and the refs just mostly letting it go. Auburn Arkansas last night was incredibly physical as well.
Gotcha, yeah Arizona/UCLA could very well win just about any conference, but when they get basically Minnesota or worse every night it makes things easier.
And this year the B1G isn't all that good after the first 6 or 7 teams. So I'm not just beating the B1G chest that we are better than X conference. The PAC, at least recently, has been a very shallow conference in both major men's sports.
