Arrogance, Moral Superiority, False Narratives
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Agreed. That Kamala even came as close as she did is a testament to the "beatability" of Trump. The only thing that the Dem's could have done even worse strategically would have been to let Biden stand as the 2024 POTUS candidate. I think it is clear that KH made this a much closer race than it would have otherwise been, due in very large part to her simply, "not being Trump" and being in possession of her faculties.
But that being said...she was an incredibly weak candidate and had no business as the Dem standard bearer in a POTUS election. Lest you doubt that, please review her actual performance as a candidate for the Dem nomination in 2019/20...she didn't move the needle at all...with fellow Dems.
But the exceedingly dangerous "strategy" of trying run it back in 2024 with a badly flagging Biden went awry and there weren't a lot of good choices...at that stage. The real Dem F-up(s) were forging ahead with the "Hiden Biden" gag and then not having a good fall back plan if that jig came up, which it did.
Additionally, imagine if the Dems had selected a good candidate for VP in 2020...they almost for sure would have won the 2024 election yesterday, even assuming the Biden dropout, etc. I am not pleased with the outcome of the POTUS election, but it is also true that I would not have been pleased had KH won. (Can we please get some viable, decent candidates for the next POTUS run off?) But the Dems have only themselves to blame here.
I don't agree with him that this was a mandate, it was two poor candidates and one of them had to win deal IMO. But I otherwise totally agree with him. Normal people are sick of the crap, they just want to live their lives, raise their families, etc, and the sooner the Dems reconnect with the "normies" the sooner they will start winning more elections.
Dude. I am upset about this outcome too. Try and funnel that energy into something positive. Wishing harm on others isn’t cool.
Little Monday Morning QB there. Yes, the Ds ignored the signs on the regular guy complaining about cost of living. Ds at the top were thinking the economy was getting better each week and that they had to have rates up long as they did to get inflation to subside. So, it was a double edges sword... they should have been saying yes the costs are high and we hear you, but we have to do this for a period of time to keep the economy chugging. I think this would have helped some understand things... not most but some. The whole garbage and being talked down to is just dumb... because its the same thing Rs have been doing to Ds. To me... this was purely the regular guy tired of the higher costs of living regardless if they are making more now... it doesn't cover the cost increases and they were sick of it and wanted to give someone outside of the current admin the chance to fix this... Trump was the alternative choice no matter what dark and hateful things he's said... if he can help their daily living he will be successful. If he doesn't midterms and next presidential election cycle will see it flip back to Ds.
MSNBC has some that think they lost because they were too center.
That’s crazy further left makes it worse.
That’s crazy further left makes it worse.
It’s really amazing, isn’t it?
One person’s craziness (Trump) can be overcome by a system of government that has checks and balances in place to ensure that a single person can’t tip over the apple cart.
But millions of people who are crazy, who can only be kept in check by themselves (and they won’t because they don’t live in reality), is infinitely more dangerous and divisive.
We’ve been trying to tell them. It doesn’t work. They’ll blame it on Trump and claim that him being out of the picture will help, but it starts and ends in their mirror. And as long as they continue to see the other team as subhuman, they’re gonna keep on trucking.
Biden ran a more "left" wing campaign than Harris did
watched a bit to see the reaction on MSNBC. Gonna call bull shite. didn't see that.
add poorly educated and easily manipulated by social media and you are 100% correct. Everyone that voted for trump is generally one of those things.
Im a teacher and have been attacked since trump walked in the door in 16. You do understand that NOBODY was attacking anybody until Trump showed up. There are no kids shitting in classrooms, teachers are not talking kids into anything. NOTHING HAPPENS AT SCHOOL UNLESS A PARENT REQUESTS IT. But go ahead and believe the crt bullshit and everything else that has been thrown this way and go cry about getting called names after the big mouth himself started all of the shit. Im an independent and honestly im shocked democrats had the balls to fight back.
what if we just dont' want to make everything about race. White success isn't always racist, black problems aren't always white caused. It's another hill for Dems to die on though.
Yep all these “lessons” learned from both sides every election are just a bunch of bologna.
The lesson I took from this is I am done voting in the state of Iowa.
The lesson I took from this is I am done voting in the state of Iowa.
No, it wasn't. All the above was said in 2020 and it still is the truth. It was inflation. Period. This quote is evergreen...
But it's not.
Because past federal taxes for those local grants for roads, bridges, education, etc came from the top 1%.
Now, those costs will fall to the people paying the local taxes. Who will have less $$ to spend on things to make profits for the 1%.
It's actually what won Trump the election - going after the racists, rednecks, homophobes, etc...
When do they start rounding up the reporters, trans, and blacks to put them into the camps Keith Olberman was ranting about? OMG I can't wait to check out his twitter/x
Nope. They embraced the Hillary playbook of being a bland moderate and it bit them in the ass again.
I am sure advocating puberty blockers, genital mutilation of minors, and guys playing in women’s sports were winning issues.
Harris could have killed that story line by coming out against it. She didn’t. So she must have been for it or she was a political idiot. Take you pick.
Open border for three years, it’s a little disingenuous to all of a sudden in year four to try something.
What issue was “go more left” going to help?
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Biden campaigned on trans issues and won.
Also if you think enough Americans care about denying trans children health care or keeping trans athletes out of women's sports than you have a lower opinion of voters than I do.
Facts are Kamala and Hillary tried to be the boring centrist candidate against Trump and got crushed. Biden actually gave progressive voters an exciting alternative and won going away.
I love how calling the Trump crowd "Weird" really made them angry, but Trump could call the Dems "The Enemy Within" which is much more dangerous, and it was just BAU. GD Idiots.
Biden was pro puberty blockers and cutting genitals off minors? Got a link?
Because that is where we are today.
Also, what issue should the Dems go more left on?
Sex changes to prisoners a winning issue? Harris flat out refused to denounce it when given multiple chances. She tap danced.
Harris got smoked in popular vote. If you think more left is going to win that is a big out of touch reason why the Dems lost.
And Biden presided over the worst inflation in over 40 years.
Biden campaigned on not being Trump and won.
"Also if you think enough Americans care about denying trans children health care or keeping trans athletes out of women's sports than you have a lower opinion of voters than I do."
Did you write this before Trump was re-elected?
Trans Healthcare is component of trans rights which was part of Biden's platform.
Sex changes to prisoners were happening under Trump, and no one cared.
I didn't say go farther left on issues, they just don't need to run to the right on anything.
Dems lost 15 million voters by trying to run a moderate / center right. And you are arguing for them to keep up the same strategy it's pretty clear which one of us is out of touch.
The last 3 Dem nominees have run on not being Trump and 2 of them have lost.
The only one that didn't also ran on a progressive platform
I could lose everything, everyday, and I will never come close to being as big a loser as any maga scum. But keep yourself and family stupid. It helps your dear leader as he loves morons.
I'll never hate my country enough to become a loser maga. So, I'll always be better than you.
