Arrogance, Moral Superiority, False Narratives

[Chishawk1425]

Can't bring a knife to a gunfight either. People will believe what they are told, regardless of it's veracity. Traditional norms have no place in an election where you're competing against a shameless narcissist who will say anything and everything to get elected.

Yep this is spot on. Dems have some work to do internally. Have to run a populist candidate.

 

[MikeyHawk]

Biden campaigned on

Student Loan forgiveness & free community College
Universal Pre-K
A climate change plan based on the green new deal
Expanding ObamaCare
Codifying Roe v Wade
Protecting Voting rights
Lgbtq rights
Criminal justice reform.

Those maybe centrist proposals in normal countries but they aren't in America.

Joe Biden 2020 presidential campaign - Wikipedia

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All of those are left ideas and don't really get much traction with the people that Trump won over to win the election.

Executive orders to spend billions on things that don't impact the working class, does really inspire them to vote for you.

I am sure you will disagree, but, seems pretty clear based on this election

 

[MikeyHawk]

If what Trump wants to do goes through, and there’s no reason to think it won’t, then average people are going to be hit even harder by inflation. Slapping 20% tariffs on Chinese imports and eliminating a sizable chunk of the American workforce are going to cause prices to skyrocket.

But I bet the average worker will see a $30 increase in their paychecks, so I am sure it will be money well spent.

Biden once slammed Trump's China tariffs. Now he's building on them: ANALYSIS

New tariffs on China announced Tuesday represent a major shift for President Joe Biden, who was once critical of Trump-era tax hikes on Beijing.

abcnews.go.com

 

[CRazzle]

💯 spot on.

Democrats are horrible at messaging. Not once did I hear Kamala acknowledge the impact of inflation and explain how the entire world has been affected worse then try to prop up “Bidenomics” as the reason inflation wasn’t worse in America. She then could have drawn on the fears average people are experiencing by explaining how she is going to continue making progress and how Trump’s tariff plan etc. would actually make things worse for them.

But, instead, they decided to prop up Bidenomics as being so great and how everyone struggling should just be grateful for it. It was incredibly stupid and for a party that used to appeal to working people it’s head scratching Dems continue to trip over themselves on what should be a slam dunk for them.

I thought the Abortion issue would be enough so tomato at my face over that. I agreed before the election that the democratic messaging was weak and has been for years. The economy issue is what I thought they got Walz for. For what he accomplished in Minny should appeal to moderates/independents economy-wise...but they never did that. They made Walz just a happy face and didn't use him for how he made it to the position he was in. A wasted opportunity.

Not too surprised to disappointed over lead not using someone's talents better. Brian Ferentz pulled that sHit for years.

 

[WDSMHAWK]

All of those are left ideas and don't really get much traction with the people that Trump won over to win the election.

Executive orders to spend billions on things that don't impact the working class, does really inspire them to vote for you.

I am sure you will disagree, but, seems pretty clear based on this election

Affordable Healthcare, childcare, and making education more affordable all impact the working class.

 

[Ree4]

yeah, if you come here and read many of the superlefties, it is not difficult to see why many are not aligned with them. They are their own worst enemy, but, they will never really understand it

You guys are high af if you think this election had any substance at all related to "superlefties". Things like passing a republican border bill, campaigning with liz cheney, mentioning zero about universal healthcare, nothing about minimum wage, no messaging about free college/community college tuition - tell me, where is this superleft policy you're talking about?

The only policy I can remember was a promise to stop price gouging at grocery stores which, believe it or not, had an 83% approval rating. So please, other than aggrieved culture war bullshit that you hear from Fox News/OANN like dogs and cats being eaten, what superleft policies did she promise?

 

[Flie]

Arrogance, Moral Superiority, False Narratives

Is this the new GOP slogan? You guys sure have no problems chucking those rocks from your glass houses. You do it with such confidence too.

 

[wausauhawk]

Zero self awareness still by most on the left.

Biden "won" because he was viewed as a centrist. Got into office and let the radical arm of the party control him and the dems overplayed their hand. The border, economy, and labeling half the country as trash were their downfall. They had time to put up a better candidate and decided to keep up the Biden is healthy and fine lie.

You putting "won" in quotes is why so many Dems have trouble not thinking MAGA voters are stupid. Trump lost 2020 fair & square. To imply it was rigged when there's zero evidence is idiotic. Refusal to admit he lost & Jan 6th should have been disqualifying to Trump, but here we are.

 

[BubsFinn]

Nah Trump appealing to the Joe Rogans of the world is what cost us this election. DonOld went after the dumbest, more racist people in this country, and it paid off.

If that's what it takes to win elections these days then I'm fine with the Dems refusing to adapt

Joe Rogan considers himself to be a liberal. So does RFK Jr and Elon Musk. Are they dumb and racist too?
I found it shocking that the Harris campaign gladly and enthusiastically accepted the endorsement from Dick Cheney. They’ve spent the last two decades calling Dick Cheney a war criminal and the spawn of Satan, but as soon as he backs Harris, they welcomed him into their big tent.

 

[ClarindaA's]

 

[MikeyHawk]

You guys are high af if you think this election had any substance at all related to "superlefties". Things like passing a republican border bill, campaigning with liz cheney, mentioning zero about universal healthcare, nothing about minimum wage, no messaging about free college/community college tuition - tell me, where is this superleft policy you're talking about?

The only policy I can remember was a promise to stop price gouging at grocery stores which, believe it or not, had an 83% approval rating. So please, other than aggrieved culture war bullshit that you hear from Fox News/OANN like dogs and cats being eaten, what superleft policies did she promise?

If you don't understand what happened on Tuesday, not sure what to tell you. Carry on

 

[Ree4]

If you don't understand what happened on Tuesday, not sure what to tell you. Carry on

So you've got nothing. Thanks for proving my point!

 

[Moral]

Yep this is spot on. Dems have some work to do internally. Have to run a populist candidate.

They had that candidate, twice, that they worked hard to push down in primaries. The neoliberal Democrats are much more interested in avoiding populism and either trying to force their candidate on the party or losing to the Republicans.

I expect they will do the same again in 2028.

 

[Chishawk1425]

They had that candidate, twice, that they worked hard to push down in primaries. The neoliberal Democrats are much more interested in avoiding populism and either trying to force their candidate on the party or losing to the Republicans.

I expect they will do the same again in 2028.

I don't but history seems to be on your side.

 

[CaboKP]

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Wow, just wow.

 

[Ree4]

They had that candidate, twice, that they worked hard to push down in primaries. The neoliberal Democrats are much more interested in avoiding populism and either trying to force their candidate on the party or losing to the Republicans.

I expect they will do the same again in 2028.

It's becoming more and more obvious that the DNC exists to prevent the emergence of an actual left wing party, not to "oppose" the right wing. Until they make changes that appeal to working people, they will continue to lose.

 

[Old_wrestling_fan]

They had that candidate, twice, that they worked hard to push down in primaries. The neoliberal Democrats are much more interested in avoiding populism and either trying to force their candidate on the party or losing to the Republicans.

I expect they will do the same again in 2028.

Fair point. ^^ Whether one supports Sanders, or not, I think it is very fair to say that the DNC worked to marginalize him...twice.

The Dems should either go "all in" and run proudly on ultra progressive planks OR get back closer to the center with both candidate and planks. Trying to do two disparate things at once isn't working well for them IMO.

Personally, I think they would be better off moving towards the center, but right now they look like they have a foot on the dock and a foot on the boat...and the boat is drifting away from the dock.

 

[Crafty Beaver]

I believe in law and order. You don't. You vote for a fraud, a felon, a rapist, a pedophile, and a fascist. All in the same person. Why shouldn't I hate a vile, evil ass licker like you?

Aren't you the guy that used to brag about banging married women?

 

[Ree4]

Fair point. ^^ Whether one supports Sanders, or not, I think it is very fair to say that the DNC worked to marginalize him...twice.

The Dems should either go "all in" and run proudly on ultra progressive planks OR get back closer to the center with both candidate and planks. Trying to do two disparate things at once isn't working well for them IMO.

Personally, I think they would be better off moving towards the center, but right now they look like they have a foot on the dock and a foot on the boat...and the boat is drifting away from the dock.

I still don't understand how people think the democratic presidential race was anything but a centrist or right-leaning campaign. Sure, Tim Walz governed with progressive policies but none of those were even mentioned as a goal to be passed federally.

That's the reason they lost, they abandoned (or never had intention to pass to begin with) any semblance of working class policy, things that would actually help the people. The working class shifted to Trump because he at least PRETENDED to listen to their grievances while stoking their fear and anger. The exact same thing happened in '16 when Hillary ran the same type of campaign. The DNC blamed Bernie bros for that loss too, while not realizing that Trump's "anti-establishment" message spoke to them more (regardless of how false that message was).

Unfortunately the smart folks know that Trump has no intention of doing anything to help working people and that they were duped, again.

 

[Crafty Beaver]

I still don't understand how people think the democratic presidential race was anything but a centrist or right-leaning campaign. Sure, Tim Walz governed with progressive policies but none of those were even mentioned as a goal to be passed federally.

That's the reason they lost, they abandoned (or never had intention to pass to begin with) any semblance of working class policy, things that would actually help the people. The working class shifted to Trump because he at least PRETENDED to listen to their grievances while stoking their fear and anger. The exact same thing happened in '16 when Hillary ran the same type of campaign. The DNC blamed Bernie bros for that loss too, while not realizing that Trump's "anti-establishment" message spoke to them more (regardless of how false that message was).

Unfortunately the smart folks know that Trump has no intention of doing anything to help working people and that they were duped, again.

Kamala articulated no policy at all. So we were left sorting through her old clips where she spoke like a socialist.

 

[Ree4]

Kamala articulated no policy at all. So we were left sorting through her old clips where she spoke like a socialist.

Are you aware that there are websites beyond HBOT? Pretty easy to find her policy positions if a person knows how to navigate this new contraption called "The Internet". I'd suggest starting with a pretty popular search engine called Google. It can help you find a lot of things.

 

[Old_wrestling_fan]

Kamala articulated no policy at all. So we were left sorting through her old clips where she spoke like a socialist.

This ^^. She really didn't articulate much of anything in the recent campaign. But there is too much evidence of her policy ideas from before and she really didn't cause people to conclude that she wouldn't revert back to her previously unpopular ideas.

If the Dems had a real primary...how likely do you think it would be that KH would have prevailed? I say not likely at all. Granted, there wasn't time for a full blown Dem primary once JB finally crashed. But the subsequent "process" to nominate her left the Dems with a very shaky candidate. Thanks Biden.

 

[onlyTheObvious]

Are you aware that there are websites beyond HBOT? Pretty easy to find her policy positions if a person knows how to navigate this new contraption called "The Internet". I'd suggest starting with a pretty popular search engine called Google. It can help you find a lot of things.

13 million people voted for Biden that didn’t vote for Harris. Why?

 

[Ree4]

13 million people voted for Biden that didn’t vote for Harris. Why?

I literally posted the main reason two posts before the one you quoted.

I still don't understand how people think the democratic presidential race was anything but a centrist or right-leaning campaign. Sure, Tim Walz governed with progressive policies but none of those were even mentioned as a goal to be passed federally.

That's the reason they lost, they abandoned (or never had intention to pass to begin with) any semblance of working class policy, things that would actually help the people. The working class shifted to Trump because he at least PRETENDED to listen to their grievances while stoking their fear and anger. The exact same thing happened in '16 when Hillary ran the same type of campaign. The DNC blamed Bernie bros for that loss too, while not realizing that Trump's "anti-establishment" message spoke to them more (regardless of how false that message was).

Unfortunately the smart folks know that Trump has no intention of doing anything to help working people and that they were duped, again.

They did not campaign on policies that would help working people. They were more interested in running a campaign focused on "not Trump" and maintaining the status quo. They were so focused on courting independents and RINOs that they alienated what little remains of their blue collar base.

Democrats should have listened to Bernie Sanders, historians say

Two historians have said that the Democratic Party was wrong to overlook Bernie Sanders' policies for working class people.

www.newsweek.com

 

[DeangeloVickers]

I believe in law and order. You don't. You vote for a fraud, a felon, a rapist, a pedophile, and a fascist. All in the same person. Why shouldn't I hate a vile, evil ass licker like you?

These are the people the country rejected Tuesday and this is why. Sane people have had enough of this garbage.

 

[CarolinaHawkeye]

Aren't you the guy that used to brag about banging married women?

Nope. Unless you're referring to my wife. She's married.

 

[CarolinaHawkeye]

These are the people the country rejected Tuesday and this is why. Sane people have had enough of this garbage.

You voted for him. Rejected my ass.

 

[swagsurfer02]

You see a lot of this kind of attitude from the celebrities and MSM who are trying to reconcile their words and actions with the loss.

They'll eventually realize they were lied to, but it might take a few years of not being out in camps for their views.

Lots of REALLY nice housing in Hollywood and New York City is about to be vacated by those fleeing to Canada.