As far as I am concerned, Fran should have never been let go…
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What a freaking drama Queen you are. Good lord.
What I heard on another site:
Here is what was told to me about the last few days by someone who would have been privy to some conversations around the coaching change.
Beth wanted DD.
DD wanted to come to Iowa.
Beth and DD's agent agreed to general terms (years/$$$s)
Beth and DD were working to arrange time/place to meet.
DD's agent called Beth and said Indiana was now in play and wanted more money.
Beth told DD's agent to f*** off.
Here is what was told to me about the last few days by someone who would have been privy to some conversations around the coaching change.
Beth wanted DD.
DD wanted to come to Iowa.
Beth and DD's agent agreed to general terms (years/$$$s)
Beth and DD were working to arrange time/place to meet.
DD's agent called Beth and said Indiana was now in play and wanted more money.
Beth told DD's agent to f*** off.
Most of the fools like you didn't take these things into account. We also alienated Connor and sadly maybe caitlin. Fran lost his best player and his team didn't quit. The recruiting was going well. His return players were good. Just can't believe what a stupid move it was to fire fran. Dumb.
The program needed to move forward without Fran. His teams haven't been accomplishing anything and the seats at Carver were f**king empty.
Additionally, Fran doesn't preach defense. You cannot win without some goddamn defense.
So you have a guy, don’t give him the resources he needs to be competitive, then blame him for not being as competitive as you want to be, then fire him only to hire a new guy and give him the resources that you wouldn’t give the first guy? Like that makes any sense.
The right thing to do is to give your coaches the resources they need, and, if they do not perform up to the expectations with regards to those resources, then move on. It is too late for Fran, but look at all the bitching and complaining about KF who is actually winning and by pretty much all accounts out-performing the resources he has. But that is another story.
Lets say Fran had another million this past year. He could have kept Perk, that would have helped immensely. He could have probably went out and got some rebounding and rim protection. Those two things alone would have probably been enough to get Iowa in the NCAA, even if Freeman had bowed out like he did. Give him 2 mil and he could have probably gotten a point guard that could defend and get in the lane, allowing Dix and the Sandforts to play at the 2 and 3 spots instead of 1-4 like they did. And that is still half of what other teams in the B1G had. And Fran’s salary was at the bottom too. To finish 17-16 is probably not too bad with the league’s second lowest paid coach and presumably the lowest NIL.
The attendance was bad and the biggest reason why Fran should have been let go. But what does that say about the fan base that A. doesn’t donate money to the cause and B. doesn’t show up to support the team, but, C. shows that are passionate when Iowa is winning. I will throw D. in there too which is constantly bitches about everything.
At the end of the day, if Iowa was not prepared with Fran to commit more resources then this whole thing is a futile attempt to get better and an even bigger indictment of the fact that Iowa fans, media, etc. have unrealistic expectations.
The right thing to do is to give your coaches the resources they need, and, if they do not perform up to the expectations with regards to those resources, then move on. It is too late for Fran, but look at all the bitching and complaining about KF who is actually winning and by pretty much all accounts out-performing the resources he has. But that is another story.
Lets say Fran had another million this past year. He could have kept Perk, that would have helped immensely. He could have probably went out and got some rebounding and rim protection. Those two things alone would have probably been enough to get Iowa in the NCAA, even if Freeman had bowed out like he did. Give him 2 mil and he could have probably gotten a point guard that could defend and get in the lane, allowing Dix and the Sandforts to play at the 2 and 3 spots instead of 1-4 like they did. And that is still half of what other teams in the B1G had. And Fran’s salary was at the bottom too. To finish 17-16 is probably not too bad with the league’s second lowest paid coach and presumably the lowest NIL.
The attendance was bad and the biggest reason why Fran should have been let go. But what does that say about the fan base that A. doesn’t donate money to the cause and B. doesn’t show up to support the team, but, C. shows that are passionate when Iowa is winning. I will throw D. in there too which is constantly bitches about everything.
At the end of the day, if Iowa was not prepared with Fran to commit more resources then this whole thing is a futile attempt to get better and an even bigger indictment of the fact that Iowa fans, media, etc. have unrealistic expectations.
You don't need resources to teach the players you have how to play defense and how to rebound. Fran never did.
There's a really dumb assumption going on in a lot of these posts. Not specifically talking about you but in general the idea that Iowa isn't currently increasing NIL just because they got out spent by IU.
That's a logically silly idea. IU will out spend most of the conference maybe with the exception of MSU.
BG has been doing everything possible to up the nil money for the next bball coach for probably well over a year, it's still not going to surpass what Indiana will do. Like ever. Not a thing.
Iowa will absolutely have more NIL money next year. In addition to revenue sharing. They will never have more than Indiana.
These are two separate points that don't contradict.
Iowa shelling out money to get a good coach doesn't mean that they can shell out more than Indiana.
Indiana has always and will always spend more on basketball than Iowa and the majorityof the rest of the conference, and it usually doesn't do much for them other than cycling through coaches every couple years.
Iowa is improving what they can spend.
Last year Iowa was 7th in the league in rebounding and the year before they were 5th. I would keep going back but I can’t find the stats, but I would imagine Garza, Woodbury, White, etc. all have a pretty big impact on that stat.
Fran’s teams were never known for defense, I give you that. Fran stressed offensive efficiency and was very good at it. Every team in pretty much every sport desires to be built around a philosophy on how to win. Some teams have a plethora of talent and are able to be a little more flexible in adjusting to conditions and that is not Iowa. Iowa’s philosophy under Fran was to generate good shots, not turn the ball over while turning the opponent over, win at the free throw line and rebound on the defensive end. That is how they had to win and when those things happened they did. When other teams shoot well, Iowa shoots poorly, the opponent grossly outmatches them on the glass, and the officiating is such to where Iowa is a foul disadvantage, Iowa often time lost.
If true, that’s the kind of AD i want running the program!
Just remember. Things can be worse. If we don’t land McCollum or another splash hire this is a stain on Beth’s legacy. Fran overachieved with the resources he was given.
Pretty crazy to say "Beth has egg on her face" when we just started the process. How about we see where this ends up before we start throwing the baby out with the bath water. Most everyone wanted a change, and knew it would probably get a bit messy before its all over...
Which transfer portal hawk do you think gets the most $$$$. Which hawk won freshman of the year ?
Totally, and I mean TOTALLY not true. As recently as 3 or 4 years ago in Garza's run there was NO NIL, and we had the NPOTY, and the Murray twins and we won one game in the NCAA's in three years, so NO..
Alright guy. If you think Owen Freeman was better/more important than Josh Dix was there is no use in going back & forth.
He was the worst paint protector in the Fran era, and there were a lot of bad ones in that time.
Freshman of the year in the B10. It's not just about the money but the bidding for Freeman vs dix. Mich vs creighton. Lol
Agreed. If anything, Fran did less with more, with a few of those teams.
Change of topic. Recommendations to watch Drake on Clearwater Beach.
Pre-NIL, no he did not.
I suppose it could be argued that he over achieved once NIL started.
Our B1G win total this year, when correlated with our NIL versus the rest of the B1G, would be about 3 B1G wins. He won 7.
(I can't tell from my post whether I'm agreeing or disagreeing with you)
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I haven't gone over there to watch games, so I personally don't have a favorite hangout, but I Google'd "Clearwater Beach Sports Bars" and a number of things come up that get solid reviews.
Fans were done with Fran, you can try to spin it any way you want.
What resources does Kirk not have?
If Perkins stayed, he would have played PG? If not, the lineup would be PG, Perkins, Dix, Sandfort at the 4, Freeman. Not sure that would have worked defensively or for rebounding.
To summarize, it is the fans fault
What kind of atmosphere you looking for?
Or you're looking for a bar where Iowa fans are known to go?
Just a place where basketball fans hangout
I've been to a couple places. Maybe I'll just watch in room.
This seems a lot more plausible than the alleged "Back-room Bahamas" deal that's supposedly been in the works for months.
A competitor school's athletic department swooping in at the last minute with more $$$ to woo away a "favorite son" is as old as college sports.
I am just leaving Phillies-YANKEES game.
I have Iowa baseball shirt and my wife Caitlin Clark shirt. Philadelphia fans love Caitlin and Cooper.
We get a second shot at hiring the National Coach of the Year?...
Hey now, the Cubs just got swept in Tokyo. 0-2 to start the season.
