As far as I am concerned, Fran should have never been let go…
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I would rather play next year with a HS coach that cared than see another year of McFakerry
Alienated Connor and Caitlin from what? Do either of them currently play or work for the University? Are they donating to NIL for the men’s basketball program, or recruiting players for the men’s team? What? What are they being alienated from?
Who cares what they think anyway? Especially Connor.
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Fran says he will coach next year somewhere. All his players leaving Iowa. Funny how things work out
That will be the 20 million for revenue sharing, but nil will still exist in addition to that.Yes. Don’t know why Beth Goetz doesn’t just transfer $15-20 million from UI Athletics Dept funds to the Swarm for NIL for men’s BB.
What’s she thinking?
Chicken Littles everywhere....
Suck it up and watch things play out.
You really wanted more Fran ball? Sh*t defense, sh*t rebounding. 3 NCAA wins in 15 years.
Our basketball NIL sux and isn’t conducive to landing a hot commodity coach.
Our basketball NIL sux, in large part, because of Fran and the underwhelming product he put on the floor and inability to get donors to bankroll NIL.
Fran almost pulled it off. Job security through failure.
Our basketball NIL sux, in large part, because of Fran and the underwhelming product he put on the floor and inability to get donors to bankroll NIL.
Fran almost pulled it off. Job security through failure.
If Iowa was going to fire a coach, it should have been correct in which one it fired.
Chicken Littles everywhere....
Suck it up and watch things play out.
You really wanted more Fran ball? Sh*t defense, sh*t rebounding. 3 NCAA wins in 15 years.
You didn't enjoy Garza or the Murrays or weiskamp ?
Chicken Littles everywhere....
Suck it up and watch things play out.
You really wanted more Fran ball? Sh*t defense, sh*t rebounding. 3 NCAA wins in 15 years.
I enjoyed them right up until Frans annual tournament flame out to finish seasons.
It's been said a 1,000 times. If Fran managed a sweet 16 or 2 in his 15 years, he would have been back next year. Simple as that
He put them in position to do it. You can do that, usually the results happen. I think with dix and sandford with 4 very good recruits, he was getting back to another team that could challenge for glory. Now we start from scratch. Reminds me of husker football.
My goodness but you are a fragile, bi-polar drama queen. Did you think Iowa was ever going to be able to compete with Indiana in a bidding war for a coach? Nothing has changed since Fran was let go
Will they follow him? I wish his teams could have rebounded and played tough defense.
Hmm. Let's see
To summarize, your premise is that Beth Fd up because she didn't have any plan to boost funding (including NIL, which the university doesn't create or distribute) and that considering that, Fran was the best we could do
Fallacy #1: you don't know what plan BG has for improving the basketball program. You are assuming she doesn't have one because DeVries went to Indiana.
Fallacy "2: there is no proof that another coach can't do better than Fran with what was available. His teams never played defense or rebounded. That was true pre and post NIL.
Fran landed a winning lotto ticket with Garza and Keegan being wildly better than he could have foreseen. Then basically accomplished nothing much with them.
It's kind of bullshit when he was given no money this year would have been the first year and they got rid of him. I think he's a very good coach but he was stuck trying to entice players with no money and when everybody else is throwing money at them. Very unfair to Fran McCaffrey. I thought it was a very good coach, hard to build a team when you have both arms tied behind your back.
I still am 100 percent Fran needed to go … And I agree Beth has had time to think this through and she had to have an understanding of what the going rate is for a new coach and the needed NIL in order to be competitive … It’s obvious Beth needs to up the $ for the men’s team. Maybe she decided DeVries was asking for too much …
The more I read up on and listen to Ben M … I really, really like him. This guy is an Xs and Os … and may be the perfect fit IF Iowa has to operate with a less-than NIL … meaning - getting the most out of his players…
And let's not forget, Beth was supposedly "ahead of the curve" on utilizing NIL, which was part of the reason for elevating her to AD.
Fran coached here for 15 YEARS and couldn’t deliver one Sweet 16 appearance. 12 of which were before NIL. He tied his own arms behind his back with total lack of post season results.
He is a good developmental and offensive coach, but his formula clearly doesn’t work in March when it matters. It was beyond time for a change.
Unless we don't get McCollum this won't be a failure.
If we don't get any of the other guys that have been mentioned and hire a guy with a limited track record, then it will be a total failure.
If we don't get any of the other guys that have been mentioned and hire a guy with a limited track record, then it will be a total failure.
Really, I am just throwing this out there for fans to ponder the state of things in college basketball and where Iowa currently sits in the pecking order.
I, personally, was never sold on DeVries and have similar feelings about Ben McCollum. The point is it appears DeVries was #1 on Beth’s list and it has been said plenty of times before that DeVries would have wanted the Iowa job badly. And yet, DeVries had to say “thanks, but no thanks.” That is not a good sign for other candidates.
Add in Fran never reached out to the fans to try and generate help for his program with NIL. He shut everything down - shirts/skins practices, summer league, didn’t do enough to glad hand fans to generate NIL.
I’ll go on record and say we need 10,000 fans to donate $1,000 to help the bball programs - both with the money they need to spend on players and invest in the future through the market. I’ll donate $1k to get this thing started. How can we start a drive or fundraiser for the necessary NIL? Put your money where your mouth is!!!
He didn't say "thanks but no thanks."
Iowa lost a bidding war to Indiana, Its sucks for Iowa that a bigger program came in at the last second and outbid them but that's the position most basketball programs would have found themselves in bidding against a IU.
It really has no bearing on anything else unless Iowa finds themselves in another bidding war with another program with the resources of Indiana which is unlikely but not impossible I guess.
There’s no telling what kind of NIL could be generated in the future, though. I think there may have been a Fran fatigue issue that was keeping people from donating. A lot will need some convincing before they will help the program. All just a big unknown right now.
Of course but we are Iowa and couldn't be so lucky. We already got KF who won way more than anyone thought when hired.
Bingo, what? People stopped caring about Iowa basketball under Fran a while back. You “be careful what you wish for” people that want to keep average coaches forever (and mistake longevity for greatness - see Kirk) bc it could be worse are weird. Were you too afraid to move out of your mother’s basement because it’s a risk? Have you stayed with the same company and same mediocre job your entire career because it might be worse elsewhere? Just curious with some of you with the way you act so scared of not keeping coaches on lifetime contracts because it could be worse, even if they’re incredibly stale and might be the reason nobody donates to NIL because we know their ceiling.
I would argue that there is a difference between a calculated risk and flat out winging it. You can usually improve your chances of making a great hire for example, by making the job more attractive.
I see no significant attempt(s) to make the Iowa job a better job, so I would argue that we are flat out winging it.
It is still possible that the Drake coach will turn out to be the hire and that he will be great ... otherwise, if I see us looking to a third or fourth or fifth choice, then we will be operating clearly on the fly.
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In any case, I am tired of saying the same things over and over ... so I am done with this topic until there is a coach in place.
Good luck to Miss Goetz.
