Autism Rates Per Year (ASD)

[Colonoscopy]

Is there any other medical condition where we try to reduce cases by limiting treatment? I can't think of any. I wonder if this would work for ED. It would be interesting to try it. Have state wide bans on Viagra to reduce the cases of ED.

I can see why the medical industry is so opposed to these bills.

I think you're smart enough to understand that their concern is inappropriate and unneeded treatment. And yes, medicine doesn't like to provide such. (although I'm sure we run into problems, especially in America, where medicine is a capitalist enterprise)

 

[Gimmered]

So I was talking to a woman in college currently and it was her observation that LGBTQ has sort of replaced all the other youth subculture groups.

I also know four 20 something women that were basically odd-balls that got really into LGBTQ stuff but were always basically straight. But that was definitely a big factor in their socializing.

So I do think you have this sort of fusion thing going on where LGBTQ is an attractive a group to belong to beyond simply really being gay or this or that.

I think part of it is that it got to the point where it was broadly accepted but with enough of a transgressive edge that lots of kids felt safe playing there.

Plus, social media, lefty politics pushing it relentlessly... what was once some out of the way obscure activist led struggle for rights is now being capitalizing in mainstream society.

I just don't think many people seem to get that. The dynamics and context around LGBTQ+ is nothing like it used to be.

I think you may be underestimating the idea that these straight cisgender kids actually care for their queer friends and see the Republican lead legislation as an attack on them. I could see the GOP losing a whole generation of voters here and a major swing to the left for the next several cycles.

I'm not sure why the GOP decided that this the hill they want to die on.

 

[Gimmered]

I think you're smart enough to understand that their concern is inappropriate and unneeded treatment. And yes, medicine doesn't like to provide such. (although I'm sure we run into problems, especially in America, where medicine is a capitalist enterprise)

Yeah, I can't see it as that.

I think they refuse to look at the possibility that there is a real cause for these kind of numbers other than social grooming. I think they have grossly misread the political room here and think they have a winning plan.

 

[Colonoscopy]

I think you may be underestimating the idea that these straight cisgender kids actually care for their queer friends and see the Republican lead legislation as an attack on them. I could see the GOP losing a whole generation of voters here and a major swing to the left for the next several cycles.

I'm not sure why the GOP decided that this the hill they want to die on.

Sure. I think broadly speaking, youth always lean more left and the republicans aren't doing much to endear themselves to this crowd currently. That said... youth have always been this way.

And politics is now game many people play, so yeah I'm sure that doesn't help.

With the GOP... all the conservative type thinkers -- the people that would most likely take issue with LGBTQ -- are now in the republican party. It used to be a mixture of conservatives across both parties.

We're worse off for this configuration, no doubt. Tends to produce more extremes.

 

[Hawk_82]

Hmmm, some transgender never experience gender dysphoria while some cisgendered do.

And are you seriously suggesting that gender dysphoria isn't real?

Every single person has gender dysphoria at some point in their life. This is part of the transition of moving from childhood into adulthood.

It is not easy going through puberty.

The difference in the numbers is due to a changing meaning in diagnosis of gender dysphoria as well as an increased mental instability related to our body image as well as the growing acceptance and open encouragement of trans people.

Have you reviewed the work of Harry Benjamin?

Why has the definitions changed so much in the last 50 years? Why has fetishism been removed as a distinction? Porn and online communities have played a major role in this.

 

[Colonoscopy]

Yeah, I can't see it as that.

I think they refuse to look at the possibility that there is a real cause for these kind of numbers other than social grooming. I think they have grossly misread the political room here and think they have a winning plan.

If you read about some of the pull back in Europe, that what it comes down to.

We do have demographic shifts in kids showing up at these clinics. So the research done, which was pretty limited to begin with, doesn't exactly fir the demographics they're seeing now. Obviously that's a cause for concern.

But that is the big worry here, and it's realized in quite a few circles now. Are we having kids showing up at these clinics that really shouldn't be medicalized. Where does this apparent gender dysphoria come from? You have kids that have been identifying as the opposite gender since 5 years old, and then those that come out as the opposite gender at age 14 after never showing signs or behavior and coincidentally also have trans/non-binary friends that they hang with.

Could be totally different cases.

Obviously that's what the worry is. What exactly is going on?

 

[Gimmered]

Sure. I think broadly speaking, youth always lean more left and the republicans aren't doing much to endear themselves to this crowd currently. That said... youth have always been this way.

And politics is now game many people play, so yeah I'm sure that doesn't help.

With the GOP... all the conservative type thinkers -- the people that would most likely take issue with LGBTQ -- are now in the republican party. It used to be a mixture of conservatives across both parties.

We're worse off for this configuration, no doubt. Tends to produce more extremes.

This is true, the pendulum will swing back. The abortion issue is certainly a case of the dog catching the car. he GOP has made these two issues their top priority this cycle. It is going to cost them.

 

[Colonoscopy]

Every single person has gender dysphoria at some point in their life. This is part of the transition of moving from childhood into adulthood.

To be fair, the level of internal conflict associated with gender dysphoria is at a level beyond the sort of body concerns you usually run into during puberty.

This turns into a deep identity level issue. Now exactly how it all comes about, and how you deal with it is another matter. But I don't doubt that it's a different beast for many of these kids.

 

[Gimmered]

Every single person has gender dysphoria at some point in their life. This is part of the transition of moving from childhood into adulthood.

It is not easy going through puberty.

The difference in the numbers is due to a changing meaning in diagnosis of gender dysphoria as well as an increased mental instability related to our body image as well as the growing acceptance and open encouragement of trans people.

Have you reviewed the work of Harry Benjamin?

Why has the definitions changed so much in the last 50 years? Why has fetishism been removed as a distinction? Porn and online communities have played a major role in this.

Yeah, I don't think you're correct at all about gender dysphoria, or have a total misunderstanding of what it is.

 

[Colonoscopy]

Here's a discussion forum on the topic:

r/GenderDysphoria

r/GenderDysphoria: A place to discuss everything gender dysphoria! Ask questions, share, vent, etc, just remember to follow the rules and be …

www.reddit.com

 

[Hawk_82]

Is there any other medical condition where we try to reduce cases by limiting treatment? I can't think of any. I wonder if this would work for ED. It would be interesting to try it. Have state wide bans on Viagra to reduce the cases of ED.

I can see why the medical industry is so opposed to these bills.

If viagra was presented as a treatment for teens so they could have harder erections, do you know how many teen boys would all of a sudden claim to have ED?

You could go from 0 to 20% in a year. Kids are vulnerable to advertising, this is not a surprise.

 

[Gimmered]

Just for exercise, lets assume the posted numbers are correct and the condition is real and zero percent is caused by social conditions. What other causes would lead to these huge spikes. These are not upticks, these are spikes. from 1 in 150 to 1-36 in 20 years. Would you believe this is even possible?

 

[Hawk_82]

Yeah, I don't think you're correct at all about gender dysphoria, or have a total misunderstanding of what it is.

This is the fist real post in that reddit link.

"Feeling distressed during social interactions, in locker rooms, at pools, buying clothes, getting haircuts, or sitting on the couch. You’re the only one who notices how wrong you are and it drives you crazy."

This is my point. Dysphoria is different to everyone. There is not a single symptom of dysphoria, and lots of other things can feel like dysphoria.

My big issues that I have stated previously is that there is not solid diagnostic criteria for gender dysphoria. So the potential for a mis-diagnosis is too high. And the risk or hormones and surgery outweighs the benefits for most.

 

[Hawk_82]

Just for exercise, lets assume the posted numbers are correct and the condition is real and zero percent is caused by social conditions. What other causes would lead to these huge spikes. These are not upticks, these are spikes. from 1 in 150 to 1-36 in 20 years. Would you believe this is even possible?

My first thought would be what new treatments are being marketed.

I don't have the numbers, but I would guess anti depressants, opioid use like oxycontin or fentanyl, statins, adhd (adderal), ozempic in a few years.

All of these were heavily marketed and were easily prescribed. I assume all would have similar dramatic rises in diagnosis rates, but I would be curious to find out the real stats.

 

[Gimmered]

My first thought would be what new treatments are being marketed.

I don't have the numbers, but I would guess anti depressants, opioid use like oxycontin or fentanyl, statins, adhd (adderal), ozempic in a few years.

All of these were heavily marketed and were easily prescribed. I assume all would have similar dramatic rises in diagnosis rates, but I would be curious to find out the real stats.

Research Thalidomide from the late 50s and early 60s and you can see what can happen.

My thoughts would be something given as a prenatal thought to be benign. Another thought would be a lingering effect from birth control.

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[SA_Hawk]

Social contagion

 

[Flie]

That we're being more open about it allowing people to live their true lives instead of being shamed or having to hide it?

It's like asking why gay rates spiked when its acceptance became more mainstream

"We had zero gays in the 50s!!".

 

[Rifler]

I think the recent gender dysphoria explosion is just another example of our society's ever growing willingness to accept all things as normal...

 

[sober_teacher]

I feel like the debate goes wrong almost from the beginning by starting from the assumption by many on the right that gender is the same as sex.

Birth sex to me is the simple part. With statistically few exceptions you’re either male or female. Gender is the complicated part, and is what freaks out a lot of people because it’s new and different and no one really understands it; from the kids to the parents to the medical community.

But people out there think that if someone identifies as different in this area that must mean there’s something wrong with them and therefor le someone must be to blame. Teachers for grooming them; therapists for pushing a diagnosis, etc.

I don’t pretend to have answers but I do believe that these blanket bans aren’t going to have the effect some think.

 

[alaskanseminole]

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[Rifler]

Gender is the complicated part, and is what freaks out a lot of people because it’s new and different and no one really understands it; from the kids to the parents to the medical community.

Humans have been around for awhile now,.. Perhaps no one really understands this because it's not new, not different and not real...

 

[Phenomenally Frantastic]

Social conditioning is powerful. These LGBTQ groups ought to come with health warning labels and or severe restrictions on their ability to target and groom children. The fact that they operate freely in elementary, middle, and high schools is outrageous.

 

[mthawkeyes]

Did this happen because of grooming, or was it because most lefties were no longer forced to become righties?

 

[alaskanseminole]

Did this happen because of grooming, or was it because most lefties were no longer forced to become righties?

 

[sober_teacher]

Humans have been around for awhile now,.. Perhaps no one really understands this because it's not new, not different and not real...

What’s new and different is that people are willing to talk about it now. Similar situation imo for gay conversation - are there really people who think gay people didn’t exist 50 years ago?

 

[abby97]

That we're being more open about it allowing people to live their true lives instead of being shamed or having to hide it?

It's like asking why gay rates spiked when its acceptance became more mainstream

Being gay is definitely not the same as believing you are something you are not.

 

[alaskanseminole]

What’s new and different is that people are willing to talk about it now. Similar situation imo for gay conversation - are there really people who think gay people didn’t exist 50 years ago?

50? Gay people have existed since the dawn of man. ...the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah, anyone?

 

[SSG T]

Surveillance Year	Birth Year	Number of ADDM Sites Reporting	Combined Prevalence per 1,000 Children (Range Across ADDM Sites)	This is about 1 in X children
2020	2012	11	27.6 (23.1-44.9)	1 in 36
2018	2010	11	23.0 (16.5-38.9)	1 in 44
2016	2008	11	18.5 (18.0-19.1)	1 in 54
2014	2006	11	16.8 (13.1-29.3)	1 in 59
2012	2004	11	14.5 (8.2-24.6)	1 in 69
2010	2002	11	14.7 (5.7-21.9)	1 in 68
2008	2000	14	11.3 (4.8-21.2)	1 in 88
2006	1998	11	9.0 (4.2-12.1)	1 in 110
2004	1996	8	8.0 (4.6-9.8)	1 in 125
2002	1994	14	6.6 (3.3-10.6)	1 in 150
2000	1992	6	6.7 (4.5-9.9)	1 in 150

What would this suggest to you about Gender Dysphoria?

What would the rates of people being left handed over the last 100 years suggest to you about left handedness.

FTR, everyone but my mom tried making me rightie...there's a clue for you.

 

[Joes Place]

Surveillance Year	Birth Year	Number of ADDM Sites Reporting	Combined Prevalence per 1,000 Children (Range Across ADDM Sites)	This is about 1 in X children
2020	2012	11	27.6 (23.1-44.9)	1 in 36
2018	2010	11	23.0 (16.5-38.9)	1 in 44
2016	2008	11	18.5 (18.0-19.1)	1 in 54
2014	2006	11	16.8 (13.1-29.3)	1 in 59
2012	2004	11	14.5 (8.2-24.6)	1 in 69
2010	2002	11	14.7 (5.7-21.9)	1 in 68
2008	2000	14	11.3 (4.8-21.2)	1 in 88
2006	1998	11	9.0 (4.2-12.1)	1 in 110
2004	1996	8	8.0 (4.6-9.8)	1 in 125
2002	1994	14	6.6 (3.3-10.6)	1 in 150
2000	1992	6	6.7 (4.5-9.9)	1 in 150

What would this suggest to you about Gender Dysphoria?

Just wait til we find out this is due childhood exposure to "farm chemicals" and "forever chemicals" that are hormone mimics....

 

[hawkeyetraveler]

Being gay is definitely not the same as believing you are something you are not.

Did I imagine the multiple decades where being gay was thought of as a condition that could be changed? Only recently has society finally accepted that people are actually born that way.

Not sure how you see this as different than that. Ask yourself is it possible that some people are actually born with a gender identity that is different than their physical features?

Nah, it must be that they were all groomed at a young age by a pedophile trans person. I’m sure that is the heart of the issue.

 

[alaskanseminole]

Did I imagine the multiple decades where being gay was thought of as a condition that could be changed? Only recently has society finally accepted that people are actually born that way.

Not sure how you see this as different than that. (A) Ask yourself is it possible that some people are actually born with a gender identity that is different than their physical features?

Nah, it must be that they were all groomed at a young age by a (B) pedophile trans person. I’m sure that is the heart of the issue.

A. Can it be both?*

B. Never thought of transpeople as pedophiles. Sad that many do.

*Could be a phase:

Yes, Your Kid's Trans Thing is a Phase

Here's the good news: if you've got a teenage child, you are probably in your forties. You've been around the sun a few times. You've had your hipster grunge phase, your "Friend's" haircut, your Pottery Barn furniture phase.

newdiscourses.com

*Not a phase:

The Euphoria of Elliot Page

In his own words, the actor and advocate talks about his childhood, his career, his transition, and his life, though not necessarily in that order.

www.esquire.com

 

[abby97]

Did I imagine the multiple decades where being gay was thought of as a condition that could be changed? Only recently has society finally accepted that people are actually born that way.

Not sure how you see this as different than that. Ask yourself is it possible that some people are actually born with a gender identity that is different than their physical features?

Nah, it must be that they were all groomed at a young age by a pedophile trans person. I’m sure that is the heart of the issue.

Please allow me to educate you. Being gay is a state where you find member of the same sex attractive and where one can form an emotional bond with an individual of the same sex.

Males are born with one Y and one X chromosome and females are born with two X chromosomes. That doesn't mean that men can't wish they were not born women or vise versa but it just means they are either a male or female biologically. I'm not sure why that is so hard to grasp for some.

 

[sober_teacher]

Please allow me to educate you. Being gay is a state where you find member of the same sex attractive and where one can form an emotional bond with an individual of the same sex.

Males are born with one Y and one X chromosome and females are born with two X chromosomes. That doesn't mean that men can't wish they were not born women or vise versa but it just means they are either a male or female biologically. I'm not sure why that is so hard to grasp for some.

That’s not the part most have trouble grasping. What most of us have trouble with is why some feel that people who don’t fall neatly into one gender identity category are wrong.

Cuz again, there’s a difference between gender and sex/biological identity.

 

[hexumhawk]

It's a cult made to make insecure parents feel important.

 

[abby97]

That’s not the part most have trouble grasping. What most of us have trouble with is why some feel that people who don’t fall neatly into one gender identity category are wrong.

Cuz again, there’s a difference between gender and sex/biological identity.

My guess is most people could care less what gender someone chooses to identify as, live and let live. The problem many of us have is when we are told we must accept an individuals gender identity no matter how it affects us, that is wrong. There is an old saying, "your individual rights end at the start of my nose." Be whatever you want to be, dress anyway you choose, just don't try and go into my daughter's dressing room and don't try and compete against biological women in sports. A trans person has their rights but so do the rest of us.

 

[Hoosierhawkeye]

To be fair, the level of internal conflict associated with gender dysphoria is at a level beyond the sort of body concerns you usually run into during puberty.

This turns into a deep identity level issue. Now exactly how it all comes about, and how you deal with it is another matter. But I don't doubt that it's a different beast for many of these kids.

The question is how many are actually experiencing that deep level of conflict and are actually seeing medical professionals and being vetted for this and how many of them are feeling some smaller levels of internal conflict or anxiety and are seeing declaring themselves a different gender to be a way to get attention, a friend group, and have people celebrating them while never actually seeing a professional about this.

I am also bothered that I'm quite frankly not sure if gender transitions make any sense. There is no other psychological issue where the treatment is just to go along with a person's delusions and mutilate their bodies to fit.

There are people out there who literally want to have a healthy limb cut off, but the treatment is never to cut that healthy limb off. There are people out there who are fully able who desperately want to be disabled. But the treatment is not to treat them as disabled.

And logically I'm quite frankly confused as to why if you are a female who feels like a male we are suppose to treat you like you are a male, but if you are a white person who feels like you are black, no one is suppose to treat you like you are black.

 

[Gimmered]

OMG! Hold on guys! This is embarrassing!


It turns out the numbers I used from the CDC while being correct, aren't about Gender Dysphoria at all. They are about Autism.

How could I make a mistake like that?

Well it turns out there is a very strong correlation between Autism and Gender Dysphoria. If you are on the spectrum you are 3 time more likely to have Gender Dysphoria than people who are not. Neither condition is understood. The cause of both conditions are being debated, and there is a huge spike in both conditions.


So I will go back and change the tread title and the OP to reflect my mistake. Feel free to substitute ASD or Autistic to your post to help them make sense.

 

[Hoosierhawkeye]

That’s not the part most have trouble grasping. What most of us have trouble with is why some feel that people who don’t fall neatly into one gender identity category are wrong.

Cuz again, there’s a difference between gender and sex/biological identity.

Why does there need to be a difference? Seriously WTF can't a woman just be a "tomboy" or whatever name you want to call that and a man just be feminine?

Why did we have to invent this idea that gender and sex are different and then start telling people that if they are too much like a stereotypical version of the opposite sex they need to change their name, take hormones, and get surgery?

Gender and Sex were the same thing til between 5 to 10 years ago.

 

[Tenacious E]

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[Moral]

A lot of people on this thread are probably partially right.

OMG! Hold on guys! This is embarrassing!


It turns out the numbers I used from the CDC while being correct, aren't about Gender Dysphoria at all. They are about Autism.

How could I make a mistake like that?

Well it turns out there is a very strong correlation between Autism and Gender Dysphoria. If you are on the spectrum you are 3 time more likely to have Gender Dysphoria than people who are not. Neither condition is understood. The cause of both conditions are being debated, and there is a huge spike in both conditions.


So I will go back and change the tread title and the OP to reflect my mistake. Feel free to substitute ASD or Autistic to your post to help them make sense.

Did you just do a switcharoo. I love a good switcharoo.