Autism Rates Per Year (ASD)

[JustSayOV]

I believe 95.7 percent of all statistics are completely made up.

They say 3% of people use 5% to 6% of their brains
97% use just 3%
And the rest goes down the drain
I'll never know which one I am
But I'll bet you my last dime
99% think we're 3%
100% of the time

They say 65% of all statistics are made up right there on the spot
82.4% of people believe 'em
Whether they're accurate statistics or not
I don't know what you believe
But I do know there's no doubt
I need another double-shot of something 90 proof
I got too much to think about

 

[Gimmered]

A lot of people on this thread are probably partially right.



Did you just do a switcharoo. I love a good switcharoo.

I did. I suck like that.

 

[JustSayOV]

I did. I suck like that.

 

[Colonoscopy]

Did I imagine the multiple decades where being gay was thought of as a condition that could be changed? Only recently has society finally accepted that people are actually born that way.

Not sure how you see this as different than that. Ask yourself is it possible that some people are actually born with a gender identity that is different than their physical features?

Nah, it must be that they were all groomed at a young age by a pedophile trans person. I’m sure that is the heart of the issue.

What really are we talking about though?

Many gay guys are quite feminine, or have female personality traits... but aren't interested in modifying their body. They live happily as gay.

The fixation here by the gender dysphoric seems to be that their body doesn't match their personality and inner feelings.

But obviously this isn't a problem for some people, as I pointed out above in regards to gay individuals.

Is there a gender identity module in the human brain? Or is it just personality + body that gives rise to distress in some people for some reason?

It's just not clear. It's definitely something to be addressed, it's a real issue, at least for some of the people, whatever it is -- I'm not discounting the issue itself. I still believe surgery/medical intervention as a possible treatment.

 

[Phenomenally Frantastic]

That’s not the part most have trouble grasping. What most of us have trouble with is why some feel that people who don’t fall neatly into one gender identity category are wrong.

Cuz again, there’s a difference between gender and sex/biological identity.

You say there is a difference, then why do some trans insist on physically mutilating their genitals to conform their physical biological sex to their delusional view of their own gender? Could you explain?

 

[alaskanseminole]

...but if you are a white person who feels like you are black, no one is suppose to treat you like you are black.

 

[alaskanseminole]

What would this suggest to you about Autism?

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Gim vs this thread:

 

[Hoosierhawkeye]

That's what I was thinking of. No one accepted that from her despite the fact that race is far more of a social construct than sex is. There are plenty of people out there who are of mixed race identities. But nearly everyone is born either male or female with only a few exceptions.

 

[RileyHawk]

Social conditioning is powerful. These LGBTQ groups ought to come with health warning labels and or severe restrictions on their ability to target and groom children. The fact that they operate freely in elementary, middle, and high schools is outrageous.

Can you define "grooming"? Pretty sure I've asked you before and you've avoided the question so this is open to anyone willing to answer.

 

[sober_teacher]

My guess is most people could care less what gender someone chooses to identify as, live and let live. The problem many of us have is when we are told we must accept an individuals gender identity no matter how it affects us, that is wrong. There is an old saying, "your individual rights end at the start of my nose." Be whatever you want to be, dress anyway you choose, just don't try and go into my daughter's dressing room and don't try and compete against biological women in sports. A trans person has their rights but so do the rest of us.

If it doesn’t affect your daily life, what does it matter to you how someone identifies?

Why does there need to be a difference? Seriously WTF can't a woman just be a "tomboy" or whatever name you want to call that and a man just be feminine?

Why did we have to invent this idea that gender and sex are different and then start telling people that if they are too much like a stereotypical version of the opposite sex they need to change their name, take hormones, and get surgery?

Gender and Sex were the same thing til between 5 to 10 years ago.

A lot of it to me is just we’re having conversations we weren’t having before, so terms like tomboy aren’t as applicable anymore.

You say there is a difference, then why do some trans insist on physically mutilating their genitals to conform their physical biological sex to to their delusional view of their own gender? Could you explain?

I can’t, but I’m not a doctor, know anyone who’s gone thru that that I would have any frame of reference here.

But you’re giving the game away when you talk about their delusional view. I don’t pretend to understand, but they’ve gone thru a lot to get that point. That you or I don’t understand or disagree doesn’t mean someone else is wrong/delusional. There’s a lot they go thru before they even approach the surgical option.

 

[Colonoscopy]

The question is how many are actually experiencing that deep level of conflict and are actually seeing medical professionals and being vetted for this and how many of them are feeling some smaller levels of internal conflict or anxiety and are seeing declaring themselves a different gender to be a way to get attention, a friend group, and have people celebrating them while never actually seeing a professional about this.

I am also bothered that I'm quite frankly not sure if gender transitions make any sense. There is no other psychological issue where the treatment is just to go along with a person's delusions and mutilate their bodies to fit.

There are people out there who literally want to have a healthy limb cut off, but the treatment is never to cut that healthy limb off. There are people out there who are fully able who desperately want to be disabled. But the treatment is not to treat them as disabled.

And logically I'm quite frankly confused as to why if you are a female who feels like a male we are suppose to treat you like you are a male, but if you are a white person who feels like you are black, no one is suppose to treat you like you are black.

Yeah the "you know you best" logic is a bit simplistic. However, the relative intractability of the condition, apparently, probably bolstered that take. In a way, even if you don't know what the heck is going on, I suppose it makes sense to offer treatment to a consenting adult if this makes them happy.

But yeah, I'm not convinced that this is the best actual treatment. Largely because I'm not sure just what the heck the root of gender dysphoria is. (and there maybe multiple routes to it)

 

[Hoosierhawkeye]

OMG! Hold on guys! This is embarrassing!


It turns out the numbers I used from the CDC while being correct, aren't about Gender Dysphoria at all. They are about Autism.

How could I make a mistake like that?

Well it turns out there is a very strong correlation between Autism and Gender Dysphoria. If you are on the spectrum you are 3 time more likely to have Gender Dysphoria than people who are not. Neither condition is understood. The cause of both conditions are being debated, and there is a huge spike in both conditions.


So I will go back and change the tread title and the OP to reflect my mistake. Feel free to substitute ASD or Autistic to your post to help them make sense.

I'm not sure the switcharoo proves anything. The treatments for ASD and Gender Dysphoria are nothing alike. For the most part ASD treatment is simply therapy and extra help with learning occupational and social tasks.

Gender Dysphoria involves much more risky treatments such as hormone blockers, hormones themselves, and major surgeries that change or affect otherwise healthy body parts.

The risks of false positives when it comes to Gender Dysphoria are much higher than a risk of a false positive on an ASD diagnosis. Plus I feel like ASD is far better understood than Gender Dysphoria.

 

[Formerly Rockymtnole]

I’m confused
Why is OP about autism yet the thread is discussing trans issues?

 

[Moral]

Can you define "grooming"? Pretty sure I've asked you before and you've avoided the question so this is open to anyone willing to answer.

I'm not considering the context of the thread. It is when a person build a trust relationship with someone and then manipulate them into falling in line with whatever their objective is. A common type of grooming is building a friendship/mentorship with a teen, making sexual jokes and normalizing sexual stuff, and then using the goodwill and normalization of sex stuff so when they turn 18 they turn it sexual. A few musicians have been busted with that move.

 

[Colonoscopy]

I’m confused
Why is OP about autism yet the thread is discussing trans issues?

because trans

 

[RileyHawk]

Please allow me to educate you. Being gay is a state where you find member of the same sex attractive and where one can form an emotional bond with an individual of the same sex.

Males are born with one Y and one X chromosome and females are born with two X chromosomes. That doesn't mean that men can't wish they were not born women or vise versa but it just means they are either a male or female biologically. I'm not sure why that is so hard to grasp for some.

Except, of course, there are those who are born with XXY, XYY and XXYY chromosomes. Not to mention those who are intersex.

The myopia is strong.

 

[Hoosierhawkeye]

Yeah the "you know you best" logic is a bit simplistic. However, the relative intractability of the condition, apparently, probably bolstered that take. In a way, even if you don't know what the heck is going on, I suppose it makes sense to offer treatment to a consenting adult if this makes them happy.

But yeah, I'm not convinced that this is the best actual treatment. Largely because I'm not sure just what the heck the root of gender dysphoria is. (and there maybe multiple routes to it)

I agree with you on that, adults can choose to take those risks.

I do have a problem with offering children hormone blockers. First because of the risks involved but secondly because children change their minds about stuff constantly. . . It's kind of a part of growing up. On top of that they engage in a lot of behaviors just to try to fit in with a friend group.

 

[RileyHawk]

The question is how many are actually experiencing that deep level of conflict and are actually seeing medical professionals and being vetted for this and how many of them are feeling some smaller levels of internal conflict or anxiety and are seeing declaring themselves a different gender to be a way to get attention, a friend group, and have people celebrating them while never actually seeing a professional about this.

I am also bothered that I'm quite frankly not sure if gender transitions make any sense. There is no other psychological issue where the treatment is just to go along with a person's delusions and mutilate their bodies to fit.

There are people out there who literally want to have a healthy limb cut off, but the treatment is never to cut that healthy limb off. There are people out there who are fully able who desperately want to be disabled. But the treatment is not to treat them as disabled.

And logically I'm quite frankly confused as to why if you are a female who feels like a male we are suppose to treat you like you are a male, but if you are a white person who feels like you are black, no one is suppose to treat you like you are black.

JFC.

That's why they are treated by professionals who diagnose and propose appropriate treatments for the conditions. The trouble with you and others is you want to usurp the experts because of your feelings.

 

[luvmyhawks]

I’m confused
Why is OP about autism yet the thread is discussing trans issues?

Old gimmer done pulled a fast one.

 

[Mister Hawkeyes]

That we're being more open about it allowing people to live their true lives instead of being shamed or having to hide it?

It's like asking why gay rates spiked when its acceptance became more mainstream

This is very well said and a perfectly rational response. I wish more people could take a step back and look at the big picture like this.

 

[Hoosierhawkeye]

I’m confused
Why is OP about autism yet the thread is discussing trans issues?

OP did a switcharoo first claiming the statistics were gender dysphoria statistics and then later saying they were ASD statistics.

I personally don't think that shows anything because the risks of false positive identifications of ASD are far far lower than a false positive identification of Gender Dysphoria.

 

[RileyHawk]

Why does there need to be a difference? Seriously WTF can't a woman just be a "tomboy" or whatever name you want to call that and a man just be feminine?

Why did we have to invent this idea that gender and sex are different and then start telling people that if they are too much like a stereotypical version of the opposite sex they need to change their name, take hormones, and get surgery?

Gender and Sex were the same thing til between 5 to 10 years ago.

This is bullshit. They don't want to be labeled a "tomboy" or "just feminine", they want to lead the life of the gender they identify with. Why is it your choice what they do or how they are referenced?

This "invention" (SMFH) came about because the simpleminded references weren't nearly adequate or accurate. Much the same with those having autism being labeled as "idiots" in the past.

 

[RileyHawk]

I'm not sure the switcharoo proves anything. The treatments for ASD and Gender Dysphoria are nothing alike. For the most part ASD treatment is simply therapy and extra help with learning occupational and social tasks.

Gender Dysphoria involves much more risky treatments such as hormone blockers, hormones themselves, and major surgeries that change or affect otherwise healthy body parts.

The risks of false positives when it comes to Gender Dysphoria are much higher than a risk of a false positive on an ASD diagnosis. Plus I feel like ASD is far better understood than Gender Dysphoria.

You're missing the point. It's about the identification, diagnosis and acceptance of the conditions.

 

[RileyHawk]

I'm not considering the context of the thread. It is when a person build a trust relationship with someone and then manipulate them into falling in line with whatever their objective is. A common type of grooming is building a friendship/mentorship with a teen, making sexual jokes and normalizing sexual stuff, and then using the goodwill and normalization of sex stuff so when they turn 18 they turn it sexual. A few musicians have been busted with that move.

Is this definition others of you who are lamenting "grooming" agree with?

 

[abby97]

If it doesn’t affect your daily life, what does it matter to you how someone identifies?



A lot of it to me is just we’re having conversations we weren’t having before, so terms like tomboy aren’t as applicable anymore.



I can’t, but I’m not a doctor, know anyone who’s gone thru that that I would have any frame of reference here.

But you’re giving the game away when you talk about their delusional view. I don’t pretend to understand, but they’ve gone thru a lot to get that point. That you or I don’t understand or disagree doesn’t mean someone else is wrong/delusional. There’s a lot they go thru before they even approach the surgical option.

If it doesn’t affect your daily life, what does it matter to you how someone identifies?

Maybe try reading my entire post because the answer to your question is there. They should not dress in locker rooms that aren't consistent with their biological sex and they shouldn't be competing in women's sports. Someone's sexual identity shouldn't affect anyone other than themselves. That's why it matters.

 

[RileyHawk]

I agree with you on that, adults can choose to take those risks.

I do have a problem with offering children hormone blockers. First because of the risks involved but secondly because children change their minds about stuff constantly. . . It's kind of a part of growing up. On top of that they engage in a lot of behaviors just to try to fit in with a friend group.

See, this is the kind of nonsense that irks me a lot. Your implication that this is just a whim that a child has and gets to decide what to do on their own. SMFH at that foolishness.

 

[Hoosierhawkeye]

This is very well said and a perfectly rational response. I wish more people could take a step back and look at the big picture like this.

The question is how much of it is a person's true self and how much of it is determined by environment and the desires to fit in, get attention, etc etc.

Because honestly with children so much of what they do is controlled by ulterior motives.

 

[Gimmered]

JFC.

That's why they are treated by professionals who diagnose and propose appropriate treatments for the conditions. The trouble with you and others is you want to usurp the experts because of your feelings.

This is the correct answer. We have 2 similar conditions, neither one is understood, treatment for one is left to the professionals the other is being determined in the Republican lead states houses.

We had 1300 Nebraska Doctors sign a petition pleading with the Republicans in Lincoln to kill their Trans hate bill. The still ignored that and passed the bill. It's been an unbelievable year.

 

[Hoosierhawkeye]

See, this is the kind of nonsense that irks me a lot. Your implication that this is just a whim that a child has and gets to decide what to do on their own. SMFH at that foolishness.

Children's whole lives are often lived on a whim. When I was a little kid I wanted to be a cop because I watched CHIPs.

Why should I think them deciding on their "gender" is somehow a break from that sort of behavior and it will be one that is consistent?

 

[RileyHawk]

The question is how much of it is a person's true self and how much of it is determined by environment and the desires to fit in, get attention, etc etc.

Because honestly with children so much of what they do is controlled by ulterior motives.

Which is why they are evaluated by professionals and involve the parents in the process. Why do you want to interject your uneducated and biased views into that?

 

[Mister Hawkeyes]

The question is how much of it is a person's true self and how much of it is determined by environment and the desires to fit in, get attention, etc etc.

Because honestly with children so much of what they do is controlled by ulterior motives.

I get the narrative and the temptation to "question everything", but you sound like a conspiracy theorist. Whether you are or not, I don't know, but this response makes me think you are.

I know this might be shocking to you, but sometimes, the easiest answer is right. Not because there are ulterior motives.

 

[Hoosierhawkeye]

You're missing the point. It's about the identification, diagnosis and acceptance of the conditions.

That's fine but at the same time shouldn't we be absolutely 100% certain on a diagnosis that is going to involve treatments that will radically affect a person's entire life?

Yet kids are often being told they can change their names and pro-nouns without ever even seeing a mental health professional.

 

[RileyHawk]

Children's whole lives are often lived on a whim. When I was a little kid I wanted to be a cop because I watched CHIPs.

Why should I think them deciding on their "gender" is somehow a break from that sort of behavior and it will be one that is consistent?

No, just ****ing NO! Children's lives are NOT "lived on a whim" - they have adults guiding them throughout. They are NOT the deciding entity on the huge issues in their lives. Stop with this nonsense.

 

[Hoosierhawkeye]

I get the narrative and the temptation to "question everything", but you sound like a conspiracy theorist. Whether you are or not, I don't know, but this response makes me think you are.

I know this might be shocking to you, but sometimes, the easiest answer is right. Not because there are ulterior motives.

I'm not a conspiracy theorist but I do recognize that there is a certain level of fad to changing one's gender identity. There is automatic friend groups to be had, celebration days specifically for these people, and doing so brings attention.

How many people honestly say they feel like a different gender without ever being exposed to any of this? Sure some do.

And the easiest answer to me seems to be that most of this is done on the whims of a child. I wanted to be a cop because I watched a TV show. How many kids are put in opposite sex clothing, given new opposite sex names and pro-nouns because they decided they wanted to do that because they saw it on TV or heard about it from kids at school?

 

[RileyHawk]

That's fine but at the same time shouldn't we be absolutely 100% certain on a diagnosis that is going to involve treatments that will radically affect a person's entire life?

Yet kids are often being told they can change their names and pro-nouns without ever even seeing a mental health professional.

Doctors are never 100% certain on diagnosis and treatment. That's absurd.

Changing a name and pronouns is not something that radically affects a person's entire life. Get a grip.

 

[Hoosierhawkeye]

No, just ****ing NO! Children's lives are NOT "lived on a whim" - they have adults guiding them throughout. They are NOT the deciding entity on the huge issues in their lives. Stop with this nonsense.

Of course they are the deciding entity. How are parents suppose to determine the inner feelings of their children other than what their children tell them? A lot of parents are just going with what their children tell them which is quite frankly a mistake. Because that would be like my mom signing me up to enter the police academy in 15 years when I said I wanted to be a cop.

 

[Hoosierhawkeye]

Doctors are never 100% certain on diagnosis and treatment. That's absurd.

Changing a name and pronouns is not something that radically affects a person's entire life. Get a grip.

I'm not sure it doesn't because it affects how people look at you and treat you.

But even if we assume it doesn't than the same can not be said about hormone blockers which do radically affect your entire life.

 

[RileyHawk]

I'm not a conspiracy theorist but I do recognize that there is a certain level of fad to changing one's gender identity. There is automatic friend groups to be had, celebration days specifically for these people, and doing so brings attention.

How many people honestly say they feel like a different gender without ever being exposed to any of this? Sure some do.

And the easiest answer to me seems to be that most of this is done on the whims of a child. I wanted to be a cop because I watched a TV show. How many kids are put in opposite sex clothing, given new opposite sex names and pro-nouns because they decided they wanted to do that because they saw it on TV or heard about it from kids at school?

Were you prevented from putting on cop clothes and being referred to as a policeman when you were young? Whims are easy to spot and work themselves out. That you try to claim a kid can go through the physical transgender process on a "whim" is idiotic.

 

[RileyHawk]

Of course they are the deciding entity. How are parents suppose to determine the inner feelings of their children other than what their children tell them? A lot of parents are just going with what their children tell them which is quite frankly a mistake. Because that would be like my mom signing me up to enter the police academy in 15 years when I said I wanted to be a cop.

JFC - THAT'S WHY PROFESSIONALS ARE INVOLVED IN THE DIAGNOSIS.

It's crazy that you think parents are taking their kids to the clinic to have their gender changes because Tommy decided to wear a dress and be called Tammy. That's simply ignorant.

 

[Hoosierhawkeye]

Were you prevented from putting on cop clothes and being referred to as a policeman when you were young? Whims are easy to spot and work themselves out. That you try to claim a kid can go through the physical transgender process on a "whim" is idiotic.

They can get hormone blockers . . .

And for the record no one called me a police officer or a cop when I was young. No one called me "officer".