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Autism Rates Per Year (ASD)

I'm not sure it doesn't because it affects how people look at you and treat you.

But even if we assume it doesn't than the same can not be said about hormone blockers which do radically affect your entire life.
I'm done. You are completely down the right wing rabbit hole on this with no reasonable logic.
 
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JFC - THAT'S WHY PROFESSIONALS ARE INVOLVED IN THE DIAGNOSIS.

It's crazy that you think parents are taking their kids to the clinic to have their gender changes because Tommy decided to wear a dress and be called Tammy. That's simply ignorant.

Why is that crazy to believe?

I also don't trust psychology as a field very much in the first place because it's quite frankly a science that we as a species are very bad at. I do believe it's likely the best we have but we should not have extreme amounts of confidence in the field.
 
Children's whole lives are often lived on a whim. When I was a little kid I wanted to be a cop because I watched CHIPs.

Why should I think them deciding on their "gender" is somehow a break from that sort of behavior and it will be one that is consistent?

That's fine but at the same time shouldn't we be absolutely 100% certain on a diagnosis that is going to involve treatments that will radically affect a person's entire life?

Yet kids are often being told they can change their names and pro-nouns without ever even seeing a mental health professional.

Of course they are the deciding entity. How are parents suppose to determine the inner feelings of their children other than what their children tell them? A lot of parents are just going with what their children tell them which is quite frankly a mistake. Because that would be like my mom signing me up to enter the police academy in 15 years when I said I wanted to be a cop.

All of your posts are why therapists and medical experts should be brought in if it becomes something that is persistent, the kid says something concerning, etc.

Hormone blockers, surgery are far down the to do list here.
 
Children's whole lives are often lived on a whim. When I was a little kid I wanted to be a cop because I watched CHIPs.

Why should I think them deciding on their "gender" is somehow a break from that sort of behavior and it will be one that is consistent?
You really need to stop posting your simpleton views. They are staring to get embarrassing.
 
This is the correct answer. We have 2 similar conditions, neither one is understood, treatment for one is left to the professionals the other is being determined in the Republican lead states houses.

We had 1300 Nebraska Doctors sign a petition pleading with the Republicans in Lincoln to kill their Trans hate bill. The still ignored that and passed the bill. It's been an unbelievable year.

Sounds like 1300 doctors that need their medical licenses reviewed to me.
 
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Why is that crazy to believe?

I also don't trust psychology as a field very much in the first place because it's quite frankly a science that we as a species are very bad at. I do believe it's likely the best we have but we should not have extreme amounts of confidence in the field.
Because it isn't happening. It can't. This isn't like getting your kid's ears pierced. JFC.

You've exposed yourself throughout as someone who believes you know more than the experts. Your comment about psychology is equally ignorant.

We have a big problem in this country right now with people like you who don't value and undermine expertise.
 
Why does there need to be a difference? Seriously WTF can't a woman just be a "tomboy" or whatever name you want to call that and a man just be feminine?

Why did we have to invent this idea that gender and sex are different and then start telling people that if they are too much like a stereotypical version of the opposite sex they need to change their name, take hormones, and get surgery?

Gender and Sex were the same thing til between 5 to 10 years ago.
Sure, so long as you ignore the thousands of years of history of third sex in cultures - it started just 5 years ago.
Honestly, why do you all say shtupid shit you know isn't true?
 
Medical professionals used to offer blood letting, alcohol, and cocaine as treatments. “Experts” right?
Leave it to you to bring in more nonsense. The medical profession has evolved and continues to do so. That's what we are seeing with the diagnosis of autism and gender dysphoria among literally thousands of other areas. But then someone like you would rather just refer to them as "idiots" and "fags" and be done with it.
 
Leave it to you to bring in more nonsense. The medical profession has evolved and continues to do so. That's what we are seeing with the diagnosis of autism and gender dysphoria among literally thousands of other areas. But then someone like you would rather just refer to them as "idiots" and "fags" and be done with it.
All you need to know about him is that he questions everything doctors say, but nothing that Elon says.
 
OMG! Hold on guys! This is embarrassing!


It turns out the numbers I used from the CDC while being correct, aren't about Gender Dysphoria at all. They are about Autism.

How could I make a mistake like that?

Well it turns out there is a very strong correlation between Autism and Gender Dysphoria. If you are on the spectrum you are 3 time more likely to have Gender Dysphoria than people who are not. Neither condition is understood. The cause of both conditions are being debated, and there is a huge spike in both conditions.


So I will go back and change the tread title and the OP to reflect my mistake. Feel free to substitute ASD or Autistic to your post to help them make sense.

Someday, we're gonna find out "forever chemicals" in our environment cause lots of childhood exposure issues...
 
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Sure, so long as you ignore the thousands of years of history of third sex in cultures - it started just 5 years ago.
Honestly, why do you all say shtupid shit you know isn't true?

Please reference what you are talking about in terms of history of third sex in other cultures.
 
Sure, so long as you ignore the thousands of years of history of third sex in cultures - it started just 5 years ago.
Honestly, why do you all say shtupid shit you know isn't true?
Gender, not sex. And again... Are most of these just gay people? Many cultures shun homosexuality but are more accepting of same sex stuff if one is obviously taking the male or female roll. In Iran they're ok with sex changes for gays because of this.
 
Someday, we're gonna find out "forever chemicals" in our environment cause lots of childhood exposure issues...
I can see you being very right here, your thoughts on hormones in our food source may also prove correct. While the cause may not be found in my lifetime, I expect it in my child's. History is not going to be kind to today's GOP.
 
Because it isn't happening. It can't. This isn't like getting your kid's ears pierced. JFC.

You've exposed yourself throughout as someone who believes you know more than the experts. Your comment about psychology is equally ignorant.

We have a big problem in this country right now with people like you who don't value and undermine expertise.

I value it, I just don't take it as gospel. Especially when it comes to a science that we are really bad at.

The thing is with most mental health conditions is that psychiatrists engage in basically what amounts to educated guessing. And that applies to both diagnosis and treatment.

Medicine in other areas of the body is far more scientific. They can find an infection, test for it, and give anti-bodics and the antibodics work the vast majority of the time. Mental health doesn't work like that. It's much more of a "try this. . . did that make you better? No ok well try this"
 
I value it, I just don't take it as gospel. Especially when it comes to a science that we are really bad at.

The thing is with most mental health conditions is that psychiatrists engage in basically what amounts to educated guessing. And that applies to both diagnosis and treatment.

Medicine in other areas of the body is far more scientific. They can find an infection, test for it, and give anti-bodics and the antibodics work the vast majority of the time. Mental health doesn't work like that. It's much more of a "try this. . . did that make you better? No ok well try this"
What medical tests did your children take to be diagnosed autistic?
 
I can see you being very right here, your thoughts on hormones in our food source may also prove correct. While the cause may not be found in my lifetime, I expect it in my child's. History is not going to be kind to today's GOP.

Also, well worth noting:

Childhood infections inducing fever (bacterial OR viral) are highly correlated with ASD.
This, of course, means, that lower vaccination rates will result in higher numbers of unvaccinated adults AND children, leading to higher exposure levels to those addressable diseases. Which, in turn, will result in higher ASD incidence.
 
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Please reference what you are talking about in terms of history of third sex in other cultures.

Gender, not sex. And again... Are most of these just gay people? Many cultures shun homosexuality but are more accepting of same sex stuff if one is obviously taking the male or female roll. In Iran they're ok with sex changes for gays because of this.
I understand that no none is going to change your positions on this, you are so entrenched that you'll never understand. But if you read this whole article maybe it will help you understand what is being referred to.

 
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Well it is medically incorrect, so what would you call it?
So, what's the line of what you'd say is "acceptable scientific belief" and "you're ****ing nuts"? Because we are seeing more and more biological men getting menstrual cramps and doing shit like this...


And the problem isn't at all that these people exist. Good for them. Have at it.

The problem arises that they build up followings that are incredible gullible...and then aggressive in espousing this stuff to the point of calling people "ignorant bigots" for "ignoring the science" that they've made up out of thin air. This is the crux of the issue, IMO. You find yourself in the wrong room and say "Men can't lactate" and before you know it, you're suspended from your job for insensitivity.
 
I can see you being very right here, your thoughts on hormones in our food source may also prove correct. While the cause may not be found in my lifetime, I expect it in my child's. History is not going to be kind to today's GOP.
I understand that no none is going to change your positions on this, you are so entrenched that you'll never understand. But if you read this whole article maybe it will help you understand what is being referred to.
That's wrong. I'll respond to evidence. Nothing I said is countering that. Sex and gender are different conceptually. With sex there are two sexes, and then a host of intersexed conditions. (which constitute a fraction of a percent)

Gender is where all the identity stuff comes in.
 
So, what's the line of what you'd say is "acceptable scientific belief" and "you're ****ing nuts"? Because we are seeing more and more biological men getting menstrual cramps and doing shit like this...


And the problem isn't at all that these people exist. Good for them. Have at it.

The problem arises that they build up followings that are incredible gullible...and then aggressive in espousing this stuff to the point of calling people "ignorant bigots" for "ignoring the science" that they've made up out of thin air. This is the crux of the issue, IMO. You find yourself in the wrong room and say "Men can't lactate" and before you know it, you're suspended from your job for insensitivity.
My oldest was born in 1980 and I guess it was always my understanding that men actually could be given hormones and could breastfeed. It was never my cup of tea to try, although I never shied away from a good soaking during a night of passion with their mom.
 
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So, what's the line of what you'd say is "acceptable scientific belief" and "you're ****ing nuts"? Because we are seeing more and more biological men getting menstrual cramps and doing shit like this...


And the problem isn't at all that these people exist. Good for them. Have at it.

The problem arises that they build up followings that are incredible gullible...and then aggressive in espousing this stuff to the point of calling people "ignorant bigots" for "ignoring the science" that they've made up out of thin air. This is the crux of the issue, IMO. You find yourself in the wrong room and say "Men can't lactate" and before you know it, you're suspended from your job for insensitivity.

I like the gist of what you are saying but there are rare instances of biological males lactating.

 
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I'm not considering the context of the thread. It is when a person build a trust relationship with someone and then manipulate them into falling in line with whatever their objective is. A common type of grooming is building a friendship/mentorship with a teen, making sexual jokes and normalizing sexual stuff, and then using the goodwill and normalization of sex stuff so when they turn 18 they turn it sexual. A few musicians have been busted with that move.


Thank you, Moral-bot.
 
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I didn't say it was a medical test. However I also recognize that since my children are not having any surgeries or drugs, a false positive diagnosis of ASD isn't going to change the course of their entire life.
But you called it educated guessing. How do you know there is not medical problem that causes their autistic tendencies? What if Indiana decided that autism wasn't real and banned all accommodations and therapy for the condition? How do you know you're not causing harm to your children by treating them for a condition you cannot medically prove they have? Would you rather have the state of Indiana make choices about your children's health or you and your spouse?
 
If viagra was presented as a treatment for teens so they could have harder erections, do you know how many teen boys would all of a sudden claim to have ED?

You could go from 0 to 20% in a year. Kids are vulnerable to advertising, this is not a surprise.
Only on HORT can you find someone at 12:18AM posting about teen erections.
 
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But you called it educated guessing. How do you know there is not medical problem that causes their autistic tendencies? What if Indiana decided that autism wasn't real and banned all accommodations and therapy for the condition? How do you know you're not causing harm to your children by treating them for a condition you cannot medically prove they have? Would you rather have the state of Indiana make choices about your children's health or you and your spouse?

Autism seems more likely than not. But with gender dysphoria unless it is extremely long running and into adulthood the whims of a child who wants friendship and attention seem pretty likely.
 
Thanks, was offline a bit. See hosier is ignoring this.

No I read it. However it seems to always define trans as a 3rd gender rather than accepting transmen as men or trans women as women.

Usually it seems that the trans only goes one way in those cultures though.
 
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No I read it. However it seems to always define trans as a 3rd gender rather than accepting transmen as men or trans women as women.

Usually it seems that the trans only goes one way in those cultures though.
So you read it, saw that it was widespread....and decided that it didn't count because....terminology.
Yeah, sounds about on par for you on any LGBTQ issue.
 
Autism seems more likely than not. But with gender dysphoria unless it is extremely long running and into adulthood the whims of a child who wants friendship and attention seem pretty likely.
You really think a girl wakes up says I'm really a boy and by afternoon their parents have them on hormone blockers? I'm willing to bet they spend more time in therapy before any treatment than your children did before being diagnosed with autism.

@Gimmered would you be willing to share what your child had to go through before being diagnosed and receiving hormone blockers?
 
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