man.... faking quotes really is a bridge too far. That’s some low down bs. Definitely shows a lack of integrity, and is definitely against the rules of the forum.
Stop doing that.
Ayo's triple double against Minnesota
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man.... faking quotes really is a bridge too far. That’s some low down bs. Definitely shows a lack of integrity, and is definitely against the rules of the forum.
Stop doing that.
So... smart move by them to bring attention to a great player of theirs and raise the profile of their program? I mean should they just not even try to make a case for him? He's their player. I mean this is mind blowing.
I am smiling in my avatar!
I don't like cheaters and where there is smoke, there is fire.
Again, I have listened to a LOT of people talk about this Adidas scandal and they always talk about the head coaches being control freaks and that they know EVERYTHING going on in their program. So, yes, I believe that Underwood, Self, Pearl (a former Iowa coach), and Miller knew what was going on but wanted NO CONNECTION whatsoever to it. Like I posted above, Bill Self messed up a bit more in covering up his tracks where the NCAA charged him with violations.
And lately, social justice has been a huge topic. I won't go there but Black individuals have, reminding their audiences that Black assistant coaches went away in handcuffs & got charged with federal crimes whereas the WHITE control freak head coaches got away with it.
I am smiling in my avatar!
I don't like cheaters and where there is smoke, there is fire.
Again, I have listened to a LOT of people talk about this Adidas scandal and they always talk about the head coaches being control freaks and that they know EVERYTHING going on in their program. So, yes, I believe that Underwood, Self, Pearl (a former Iowa coach), and Miller knew what was going on but wanted NO CONNECTION whatsoever to it. Like I posted above, Bill Self messed up a bit more in covering up his tracks where the NCAA charged him with violations.
And lately, social justice has been a huge topic. I won't go there but Black individuals have, reminding their audiences that Black assistant coaches went away in handcuffs & got charged with federal crimes whereas the WHITE control freak head coaches got away with it.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ny...tball/oklahoma-state-ncaa-punishment.amp.html
from the article:
Oklahoma State argued that its infractions did not rise to that level. The school pushed the case that Lamont Evans, a former assistant coach who pleaded guilty to accepting $22,000 in bribes to direct players to a financial adviser, operated as a lone wolf and did so only for personal gain — not to gain the team any competitive advantage.
And thus, the violations should not have been classified as Level 1, the most severe category.
But Larry Parkinson, who headed the committee on infractions that heard the case, said Evans violated N.C.A.A. rules that prohibit athletic department staff from receiving benefits for facilitating meetings with agents, financial advisers or their representatives.
Those are the facts. So again, for the sixth time, I ask you — how did Evans getting kickbacks from a financial advisor benefit Underwood? Why would Underwood have to know about such a scheme?
I know you won’t answer because you can’t but I just want everyone else to see how stupid you are.
you are faking quotes and falsely attributing them to other posters.
That is dishonest (and desperate) and violates forum rules. If you had any integrity, you would not do it.
Smart move?
He did not get a triple double in a normal fashion. He got it out of desperation, at the end of a blow out game.
if he blows an ACL while trying to DESPERATELY get that rebound, then what? Still a smart move?
And then it simply becomes laughable when, after this game, they quickly bragged about this triple double and used this joke of a triple double to make a case for POY
lol “joke of a triple double”. I’m dying...
biblical humiliation
omg
just stop, dummy.
Fran, every time I am about to go do other things, you bring me back laughing. STOP IT! I have youtube commentators to argue with on other topics. I am leaving now.
p.s. I am still crying laughing. No hard feelings. That was your best yet.
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are you always this stupid and ignorant in threads?
you have been completely humiliated and owned in this thread.
i am surprised you wish to carry on. i am enjoying it, nevertheless.
I seem to remember the Illinois coaches going bat shit crazy on Fran, because Joe W dunked a outlet pass when they were full court pressing us with like 10 seconds to go in a game we had a double digit lead in? So whatever F--- the Illini and Underwood and the horse they rode in on......
Pretty solid point here. Wasn’t even a double digit lead either.
So the guilty party is claiming to be innocent? Never heard of that happening before. I am chuckling that Fran won’t answer your questions and you won’t answer his.
If you don’t think an assistant coach willing to accept money for funneling a player to an agent won’t break a few more rules to get a higher profile player than you aren’t being honest
As far as the triple double goes it’s not a big deal. It is hypocritical of the Illini to play it that way after how they responded to the Weiscamp dunk last year.
Fwiw, Underwood didn’t care about Weezy’s dunk to end the game last year. It was an Illinois assistant who got pissy about it and I’m pretty sure Underwood told off the assistant
What’s funny is that were Ayo to win the B1G and/or National POY, it won’t be because he racked up huge stat lines in blowouts, but rather his dramatics late in games. Personally, I think Luka has been the best player in college hoops for 2 years, but where there’s a case for Ayo it’s him putting Illinois on his back late and winning tight games.
I don’t think the Minnesota game will move the meter. If you think Ayo is great, you think that because of his performance in big games, not blowouts. If Iowa plays Nebraska and Luka goes for 45 in a big win, I don’t think that’s going to change anyone’s mind.
This is why Illinois football needs to be relevant, so we can have this kind of "spirited" rivalry there too...
Wait... did I just say Illinois and good football in the same sentence
Wait... did I just say Illinois and good football in the same sentence
I think that Luka should and will win the award. I will expect that to be the case until he doesn’t, and then I will be pissed. Of course Underwood and Illinois fans are going to promote their guy. From a marketability perspective (recruiting) being able to say your system produced the NPOY (or even conference POY) is a big deal. Iowa fans should stop giving Ayo and Illinois so much attention. By doing so, we are only continuing the conversation.
There’s something to be said for having the mental toughness to make shots in crunch time, but Luka is getting buckets throughout the game at a historic rate, while also being a good rebounder and shot blocker - all on a top 10 team with the best offense in the league and arguably country
Agreed 100%.
I think he’s clearly been the best. I also think it’s natural when a guy comes in as the all-but-unanimous favorite from the year before and then also gets out to a hot start, for talking heads to try to find something interesting to talk about. Garza is interesting, but NPOY is not unless there’s someone in there to seriously challenge Garza.
The article showed that the ok st investigation wasn’t about adidas or paying recruits, it was about an assistant getting kickbacks from a financial consultant for sending prospective pros his way. That’s it.
Fran clearly did not know that but nevertheless kept spewing bullshit. Because he’s an idiot. It isn’t that hard to understand unless you’re trying very hard not to.
So how did Underwood benefit from that? Why would Underwood have to know about an arrangement that didn’t benefit him? Dumb ass won’t answer because he can’t. He posted articles about Bill Self at Kansas instead. lol
Now you step in to save the day, suggesting that because Evans took kickbacks, he also probably broke other rules that did give Underwood an advantage.
I mean... that was never even alleged or investigated, let alone proven but I guess we can all nevertheless pretend it happened. I mean ... that’s what people with integrity would do right?
Lol.smh.
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He shouldn't be player of the year. Garza should be by a mile. But Illinois should make a case for their player and give him the best chance possible.
Injury is always a possibility. If it's that big of a deal, he shouldn't practice or play any noncon game against bad competition. He had a chance to achieve something special, he did, and I'm happy for him.
I am not here to ‘save the day’ or to pretend that other violations occurred. Fran is on a bad roll in this thread.
Ok State doesn’t have a great history on NCAA compliance.
Underwood hired someone with a sketchy past.
The coaching fraternity is really a pretty small world and there aren’t a ton of secrets out there.
A couple of quick questions and I will let you get back to schooling Fran.
Do you think Underwood was aware of the sketchy past when he hired the guy?
Are you surprised that a school under investigation for severe NCAA penalties had an ‘investigation’ that they could use to paint themselves as unaware victims of a rogue Coach?
Those are simple yes/no questions. No need to pontificate or cloud your answer. I eagerly await your answers.
Evans had a sketchy past? Did Underwood even hire him? I don’t know the answer to either of those questions but let’s say the answer to both is yes. Ok, what does this prove about Underwood and the ok state situation? If you answer “nothing” you’d be right. What does this prove about Underwood and all the nonsense allegations being bandied about here by nit wits desperate to paint him as some bad guy because he let one of his players get a triple double? If you answered less than nothing, you’d be right again.
I don’t think you quite understand the facts. The FBI did the initial investigation. It was looking at Evans taking kickbacks from a financial advisor. No other allegations were made. The NCAA then investigated. They found no other infractions.
So again, I ask you... why would the school or Underwood have to be aware of such a scheme? How could they have benefitted? It makes no sense.
I’m sure the hysterical ninnies here on this forum have a better handle on the facts of the case than the FBI and the NCAA (hell, Fran still thinks Adidas was involved lol). We know the real story. And the real story is that Underwood was behind it all. He knew! As we’ve seen, he’s a very calculating individual. Lol.
The integrity here is staggering. smh
This whole thread makes our fan base look like a bunch of clueless old women in a coffee clatch for Christ sake..,,
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Oscar Robertson says BFD.
Ayo is a really good player, Illinois is a really good Team. Same as Luka and Iowa.
There’s anger but there’s also the opposite reaction of verbal fellatio. BTW, thanks for the $100.
99.9 % of Iowa's fan base doesn't post on HR, and your commentary on anything is a reflection of you, and you alone. Same as everybody else on the planet.
Don't overthink this shit, it's not that important.
You clearly don't know anything about this topic yet keep on posting.
You clearly are a very stupid individual.
And now we will wait for you next stupid post, because we all know it is coming.
Several things can be true at the same time.
I do think Underwood is probably on the shady side. SF Austin got in trouble too when Underwood was there. Nothing with paying players, but with some academic advisor declaring players were eligible when they weren't and not going through the compliance department. It effected 9 different sports there.
Then there was the issue at OSU, which again I have a hard time believing he was completely in the dark about.
For the record I don't really care about either of these things, this is part of college basketball whether you like it or not, we can't prove he had any knowledge of them, and I'm not totally sure what kind of competitive advantage he got at OSU for his trouble there.
These things are COMPLETELY separate from the Ayo triple double thing. Again, I'm happy for him. They are rare enough, whenever somebody gets one in the future if he's at home watching with his family he'll get to hear them say his name again 20, 30 years down the road. That's a pretty fun and special thing to think about.
I do think Underwood is probably on the shady side. SF Austin got in trouble too when Underwood was there. Nothing with paying players, but with some academic advisor declaring players were eligible when they weren't and not going through the compliance department. It effected 9 different sports there.
Then there was the issue at OSU, which again I have a hard time believing he was completely in the dark about.
For the record I don't really care about either of these things, this is part of college basketball whether you like it or not, we can't prove he had any knowledge of them, and I'm not totally sure what kind of competitive advantage he got at OSU for his trouble there.
These things are COMPLETELY separate from the Ayo triple double thing. Again, I'm happy for him. They are rare enough, whenever somebody gets one in the future if he's at home watching with his family he'll get to hear them say his name again 20, 30 years down the road. That's a pretty fun and special thing to think about.
Maybe, but if you watched Underwood in the presser he didn't exactly not condone his players beating on CMac in the last 10 seconds of a decided game either.
In fact, testimony given in federal court was that these assistants made damned sure the head coach DIDN'T know. And it's the same reason these "runners" worked with the assistants and not the head coach, because the amounts involved wouldn't be worth the risk for a coach making millions of dollars a year. But an assistant coach making a hundred grand? Sure, they'd risk it. Head coach is not going to put up with something that risky that isn't helping him.
And man, Ayo's triple/dub was nice, but the gift of this thread is just icing on the cake.
A lot to unpack here.
Evens had a sketchy past?
Yes, his time at South Carolina was tinged with issues and while at K State a player was suspended for taking a payment from an AAU coach. Nothing damning but if things like this continue to happen.......
Did Underwood even hire him?
Yes, hired him from South Carolina. South Carolina received notice of allegations about Evans time at South Carolina.
"I don’t think you quite understand the facts. The FBI did the initial investigation. It was looking at Evans taking kickbacks from a financial advisor. No other allegations were made. The NCAA then investigated. They found no other infractions."
I didn't address the FBI or the NCAA investigation. You mentioned the Oklahoma State investigation. That is what I addressed.
"The article showed that the ok st investigation wasn’t about adidas or paying recruits, it was about an assistant getting kickbacks from a financial consultant for sending prospective pros his way. That’s it.
That was what you brought up.
"How could they have benefitted?
Really? You can't see how there would possibly be any benefit?
I can't picture the conversation with a top recruit.
Evans "you know I can help you land a great shoe deal, I am tight with Adidas, they can help you in the year you are here"
Player "really?"
Evans "don't tell Raptor, he thinks it's impossible but they will take care of you when you get into the league"
Player "dude, no way I tell Raptor he thinks there is no way this could influence recruiting"
Evans " tell you what" peels a couple hundreds off and says "take your lady somewhere special tonight"
Player "thanks coach, I will sign next week on signing day"
nope, no benefit possible at all. Keep battling Fran on this. You aren't faring well on this one. If you want me to go into the FBI and NCAA report don't mention the Ok State report and why exactly was Ok State penalized? Because they found nothing?
