B1G- Session IV Thread

[vhsalum]

What's the solution? Is there a coach out there who you think we should fire t and t for?

I said it 4 years ago that we should have fired TnT and hired Cunningham. We'd have more than 1 title and some world medalists. But alas, no.

While I think there are coaches out there that could do a good job - We need a game changer and to break up PSU. The SECOND DT steps off that podium in Los Angeles, he should be handed the job. At minimum he brings Dake, Kennedy and Gilman. Retherford and Gilman are close, so he's a possibility as well.

 

[Gobblin]

This thread should serve as a solid reminder to stay as far away as possible from this board in 2 weeks.

 

[Lambertt]

I said it 4 years ago that we should have fired TnT and hired Cunningham. We'd have more than 1 title and some world medalists. But alas, no.

While I think there are coaches out there that could do a good job - We need a game changer and to break up PSU. The SECOND DT steps off that podium in Los Angeles, he should be handed the job. At minimum he brings Dake, Kennedy and Gilman. Retherford and Gilman are close, so he's a possibility as well.

😂

 

[dtripp26]

The 2 blue chip
No shit Sherlock. As a highschool senior he was in the room and wrestled in college opens which is like taking a redshirt.

So like Chittum? Hope we get the same results.

 

[MSU158]

This thread should serve as a solid reminder to stay as far away as possible from this board in 2 weeks.

Yep. Some of these posts are beyond nuts. Iowa just scored 134.5 and lost by 12.5 to a team that had SIX Finalists and 4 champs. They beat the next best team by 30 points. But, yep, lets fire the head coach because the sky is falling, even though all 10 guys placed and all 3 that placed SLIGHTLY below their seed are/have been dealing with injuries.

I get that you want to be first no matter what. But, come on, this was a VERY GOOD performance. All 10 wrestled very tough and there wasn't a single let down or significant upset.

125: Lee dominated like only Lee can.
133: Teske lost to a 3x AA, 2x Champ and his other loss was to a 2x AA(2 for 2 so far). Had convincing wins over Foley, Lamont and Heilman. Lost to 1st and 4th place.
141: Woods looked so good in all positions. Hardy is TOUGH.
149: Murin only lost to Sasso(1st). He wrestled like Ronnie Lott concussing people left and right. 2 big wins over Van Ness.
157: Siebrecht was, and still is a pleasant surprise. It's just a shame he has the shoulder issue. You can tell it limits his scrambling against better opponents.
165: Kennedy wrestled VERY well. Beating Amine was huge. Hamiti is such a difficult match up with his length and equally great gas tank. Still, Kennedy battled hard and 9-6 is not a bad result.
174: Brands was about as active as I have ever seen him. No matter how he wrestles, he isn't ever beating Labriola. He almost got O'Reilly, but I think he is just a slightly more talented wrestler that is just as physical and scrappy as Brands.
184: Finesilver is just flat out better. The Soldano pin sucked and is the ONE match where a loss just shouldn't have happened. But, like I said above, he is one of the 3 dealing with a bunch of injuries and it hasn't allowed him to get his strength up to the point to match the strong, physical 184lbers. It looks to me like he often gets overpowered by a significant margin.
197: If you think Warner is even close to 100%, you are fooling yourselves. Still, he is scrapping away and outwrestled the Maryland kid for a little over 7 minutes of that match. I don't normally go after refs and this is then 2nd time in one tournament where I am, but that ref ate his whistle way too long. Smith didn't try one offensive attempt until overtime and Warner was actually VERY aggressive compared to his normal style.
285: Cass was Cass. For some reason he is simply destined to be the 3rd best guy in his weight class, no matter who the other 2 are!

Other than Assad getting pinned in that 1 match, there is not ONE other performance where I was disappointed with how an Iowa guy wrestled. Yes, there are some where you hoped they could have pulled out the win, but none where they just didn't wrestle and got beat by lack of effort or, worse, stupidity...

 

[dtripp26]

Here is the data on Warner.

49 of his 137 career matches have been decided by 2 pts or less. That's a 36% career avg. Of those 49 "coin-flip" matches, he has won 25 and lost 24 (about as you'd expect from coin flips).

2018: 4 of 19 matches were "coin flip" = 21% (went 2-2)
2019: 9 of 28 = 32% (went 5-4)
2020: 6 of 24 = 25% (went 3-3)
2021: 6 of 17 = 35% (went 2-4)
2022: 14 of 27 = 52% (went 9-5)
2023: 10 of 22 = 45% (went 4-6)

His win percentage against top-8 opponents has remained relatively consistent, and never >40%.
2018: no top-8 opponents
2019: 1-3
2020: 2-3
2021: 2-3
2022: 2-4 (both wins @ NCAAs)
2023: 1-2

His past 2 seasons have had the highest % of coin-flip matches.

This season is the first time he has lost twice to non-top-20 opponents.

In short:
Instead of opening up as his career has progressed, he has tightened up...i.e., wrestling not to lose instead of wrestling to win.

What happened between last year and this year? Nothing. He's simply less lucky this year (4-6 vs 9-5 on coin-flip matches).

 

[bnicolls]

I said it 4 years ago that we should have fired TnT and hired Cunningham. We'd have more than 1 title and some world medalists. But alas, no.

While I think there are coaches out there that could do a good job - We need a game changer and to break up PSU. The SECOND DT steps off that podium in Los Angeles, he should be handed the job. At minimum he brings Dake, Kennedy and Gilman. Retherford and Gilman are close, so he's a possibility as well.

Where do you think the money comes from to bring in those referenced guys?

 

[bnicolls]

Yep. Some of these posts are beyond nuts. Iowa just scored 134.5 and lost by 12.5 to a team that had SIX Finalists and 4 champs. They beat the next best team by 30 points. But, yep, lets fire the head coach because the sky is falling, even though all 10 guys placed and all 3 that placed SLIGHTLY below their seed are/have been dealing with injuries.

I get that you want to be first no matter what. But, come on, this was a VERY GOOD performance. All 10 wrestled very tough and there wasn't a single let down or significant upset.

125: Lee dominated like only Lee can.
133: Teske lost to a 3x AA, 2x Champ and his other loss was to a 2x AA(2 for 2 so far). Had convincing wins over Foley, Lamont and Heilman. Lost to 1st and 4th place.
141: Woods looked so good in all positions. Hardy is TOUGH.
149: Murin only lost to Sasso(1st). He wrestled like Ronnie Lott concussing people left and right. 2 big wins over Van Ness.
157: Siebrecht was, and still is a pleasant surprise. It's just a shame he has the shoulder issue. You can tell it limits his scrambling against better opponents.
165: Kennedy wrestled VERY well. Beating Amine was huge. Hamiti is such a difficult match up with his length and equally great gas tank. Still, Kennedy battled hard and 9-6 is not a bad result.
174: Brands was about as active as I have ever seen him. No matter how he wrestles, he isn't ever beating Labriola. He almost got O'Reilly, but I think he is just a slightly more talented wrestler that is just as physical and scrappy as Brands.
184: Finesilver is just flat out better. The Soldano pin sucked and is the ONE match where a loss just shouldn't have happened. But, like I said above, he is one of the 3 dealing with a bunch of injuries and it hasn't allowed him to get his strength up to the point to match the strong, physical 184lbers. It looks to me like he often gets overpowered by a significant margin.
197: If you think Warner is even close to 100%, you are fooling yourselves. Still, he is scrapping away and outwrestled the Maryland kid for a little over 7 minutes of that match. I don't normally go after refs and this is then 2nd time in one tournament where I am, but that ref ate his whistle way too long. Smith didn't try one offensive attempt until overtime and Warner was actually VERY aggressive compared to his normal style.
285: Cass was Cass. For some reason he is simply destined to be the 3rd best guy in his weight class, no matter who the other 2 are!

Other than Assad getting pinned in that 1 match, there is not ONE other performance where I was disappointed with how an Iowa guy wrestled. Yes, there are some where you hoped they could have pulled out the win, but none where they just didn't wrestle and got beat by lack of effort or, worse, stupidity...

I can't believe how shallow some "Iowa" folks are. Buck up

We're the best team in 2020, win in 2021, have injuries wipe out last year, and performed well this season in a rebuild year.

We've got a good group of recruits walking in next fall, and surely will have one or three high level transfers to match up with PSU. It'll be a young team with solid recruits behind the seniors.

 

[dtripp26]

I said it 4 years ago that we should have fired TnT and hired Cunningham. We'd have more than 1 title and some world medalists. But alas, no.

While I think there are coaches out there that could do a good job - We need a game changer and to break up PSU. The SECOND DT steps off that podium in Los Angeles, he should be handed the job. At minimum he brings Dake, Kennedy and Gilman. Retherford and Gilman are close, so he's a possibility as well.

Holy 💩 💩 💩

 

[vhsalum]

Yep. Some of these posts are beyond nuts. Iowa just scored 134.5 and lost by 12.5 to a team that had SIX Finalists and 4 champs. They beat the next best team by 30 points. But, yep, lets fire the head coach because the sky is falling, even though all 10 guys placed and all 3 that placed SLIGHTLY below their seed are/have been dealing with injuries.

I get that you want to be first no matter what. But, come on, this was a VERY GOOD performance. All 10 wrestled very tough and there wasn't a single let down or significant upset.

125: Lee dominated like only Lee can.
133: Teske lost to a 3x AA, 2x Champ and his other loss was to a 2x AA(2 for 2 so far). Had convincing wins over Foley, Lamont and Heilman. Lost to 1st and 4th place.
141: Woods looked so good in all positions. Hardy is TOUGH.
149: Murin only lost to Sasso(1st). He wrestled like Ronnie Lott concussing people left and right. 2 big wins over Van Ness.
157: Siebrecht was, and still is a pleasant surprise. It's just a shame he has the shoulder issue. You can tell it limits his scrambling against better opponents.
165: Kennedy wrestled VERY well. Beating Amine was huge. Hamiti is such a difficult match up with his length and equally great gas tank. Still, Kennedy battled hard and 9-6 is not a bad result.
174: Brands was about as active as I have ever seen him. No matter how he wrestles, he isn't ever beating Labriola. He almost got O'Reilly, but I think he is just a slightly more talented wrestler that is just as physical and scrappy as Brands.
184: Finesilver is just flat out better. The Soldano pin sucked and is the ONE match where a loss just shouldn't have happened. But, like I said above, he is one of the 3 dealing with a bunch of injuries and it hasn't allowed him to get his strength up to the point to match the strong, physical 184lbers. It looks to me like he often gets overpowered by a significant margin.
197: If you think Warner is even close to 100%, you are fooling yourselves. Still, he is scrapping away and outwrestled the Maryland kid for a little over 7 minutes of that match. I don't normally go after refs and this is then 2nd time in one tournament where I am, but that ref ate his whistle way too long. Smith didn't try one offensive attempt until overtime and Warner was actually VERY aggressive compared to his normal style.
285: Cass was Cass. For some reason he is simply destined to be the 3rd best guy in his weight class, no matter who the other 2 are!

Other than Assad getting pinned in that 1 match, there is not ONE other performance where I was disappointed with how an Iowa guy wrestled. Yes, there are some where you hoped they could have pulled out the win, but none where they just didn't wrestle and got beat by lack of effort or, worse, stupidity...

I may be extrapolating a bit (our performance in 2 weeks at NCAAs) - but for everyone who is poo-pooing my assessment - Are you ok with our performances at NCAAs? And I get we have some recruits coming in, but it was just a week ago that we all agreed we're likely losing 2 top ten recruits. So when will we win again?

And again, we can all stop with the "we should have won 2 titles" - we won 1. And we had the same exact (literally) opportunity to do it a year later, but we can't figure out how to not be injured/underperform at the end of the year. So while we finished second at big tens, we'll likely finish 2nd at NCAAs. I guess hope never dies, and guys are willing to see through Brands-colored glasses, but I'm not sure I see a change in the - Iowa wins 1 title every 13 years as long as Cael and Co are together category.

 

[vhsalum]

Where do you think the money comes from to bring in those referenced guys?

umm.... I meant DT as head coach.

 

[Gobblin]

I may be extrapolating a bit (our performance in 2 weeks at NCAAs) - but for everyone who is poo-pooing my assessment - Are you ok with our performances at NCAAs? And I get we have some recruits coming in, but it was just a week ago that we all agreed we're likely losing 2 top ten recruits. So when will we win again?

And again, we can all stop with the "we should have won 2 titles" - we won 1. And we had the same exact (literally) opportunity to do it a year later, but we can't figure out how to not be injured/underperform at the end of the year. So while we finished second at big tens, we'll likely finish 2nd at NCAAs. I guess hope never dies, and guys are willing to see through Brands-colored glasses, but I'm not sure I see a change in the - Iowa wins 1 title every 13 years as long as Cael and Co are together category.

You just like to bitch and moan…. Find a hobby that doesn’t make you miserable.

 

[WWDMHawkeye]

You just like to bitch and moan…. Find a hobby that doesn’t make you miserable.

+1,000,000,000,000,000

 

[MSU158]

I may be extrapolating a bit (our performance in 2 weeks at NCAAs) - but for everyone who is poo-pooing my assessment - Are you ok with our performances at NCAAs? And I get we have some recruits coming in, but it was just a week ago that we all agreed we're likely losing 2 top ten recruits. So when will we win again?

And again, we can all stop with the "we should have won 2 titles" - we won 1. And we had the same exact (literally) opportunity to do it a year later, but we can't figure out how to not be injured/underperform at the end of the year. So while we finished second at big tens, we'll likely finish 2nd at NCAAs. I guess hope never dies, and guys are willing to see through Brands-colored glasses, but I'm not sure I see a change in the - Iowa wins 1 title every 13 years as long as Cael and Co are together category.

The "we only won 1 title" argument is sad. They were the CLEAR #1 team 2 years in a row. That isn't debateable. Using a pandemic to flat out ignore an entire season is comical.

Look, what PSU is doing right now is nearly impossible to match. How many years would 134.5 be enough to win B1G's? Let's go back 50 years, starting in 1973. They win 19 of those with several being over Gable coached teams.

It isn't looking through "Brands" colored glasses. It's simply reality. If you think there is 1 other coach in the entire country that can match, let alone surpass, what Sanderson is doing, you are nuts. Your "solution" is to drop arguably the 2nd best coaching staff in all of DI for guys with ZERO head coaching experience. Literally not one IOTA between them all. That is a recipe for disaster. Even PSU didn't go after Sanderson until he got his feet wet and proved what he could do at ISU...

 

[bdcolt45er]

I may be extrapolating a bit (our performance in 2 weeks at NCAAs) - but for everyone who is poo-pooing my assessment - Are you ok with our performances at NCAAs? And I get we have some recruits coming in, but it was just a week ago that we all agreed we're likely losing 2 top ten recruits. So when will we win again?

And again, we can all stop with the "we should have won 2 titles" - we won 1. And we had the same exact (literally) opportunity to do it a year later, but we can't figure out how to not be injured/underperform at the end of the year. So while we finished second at big tens, we'll likely finish 2nd at NCAAs. I guess hope never dies, and guys are willing to see through Brands-colored glasses, but I'm not sure I see a change in the - Iowa wins 1 title every 13 years as long as Cael and Co are together category.

Pat Lugo disagrees with your definition of literally.

 

[bnicolls]

umm.... I meant DT as head coach.

What's his resume as a coach? I'll answer - zero

 

[BIG10MANIAC]

Number 2 team in the country and some folks want the head coach ran out on a rail.... speechless...

 

[bnicolls]

I may be extrapolating a bit (our performance in 2 weeks at NCAAs) - but for everyone who is poo-pooing my assessment - Are you ok with our performances at NCAAs? And I get we have some recruits coming in, but it was just a week ago that we all agreed we're likely losing 2 top ten recruits. So when will we win again?

And again, we can all stop with the "we should have won 2 titles" - we won 1. And we had the same exact (literally) opportunity to do it a year later, but we can't figure out how to not be injured/underperform at the end of the year. So while we finished second at big tens, we'll likely finish 2nd at NCAAs. I guess hope never dies, and guys are willing to see through Brands-colored glasses, but I'm not sure I see a change in the - Iowa wins 1 title every 13 years as long as Cael and Co are together category.

If you assessing the "State of the Program", 2020 matters because all the changes Tom made culminated in 2020. BTW, you're "standard of excellence...PSU" finished 4th that year at Big T while they were rebuilding, same as us this year.

Take off your own rose colored glasses and get real on what it takes to win. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

 

[PSU Mike]

I’ll be paying close attention to Jaxon Smith…

How would you rank him against Truax and Woodley?

 

[vhsalum]

You just like to bitch and moan…. Find a hobby that doesn’t make you miserable.

Not at all. Just want to see Iowa win. And win NCAAs at better clip than at current.

The "we only won 1 title" argument is sad. They were the CLEAR #1 team 2 years in a row. That isn't debateable. Using a pandemic to flat out ignore an entire season is comical.

Look, what PSU is doing right now is nearly impossible to match. How many years would 134.5 be enough to win B1G's? Let's go back 50 years, starting in 1973. They win 19 of those with several being over Gable coached teams.

It isn't looking through "Brands" colored glasses. It's simply reality. If you think there is 1 other coach in the entire country that can match, let alone surpass, what Sanderson is doing, you are nuts. Your "solution" is to drop arguably the 2nd best coaching staff in all of DI for guys with ZERO head coaching experience. Literally not one IOTA between them all. That is a recipe for disaster. Even PSU didn't go after Sanderson until he got his feet wet and proved what he could do at ISU...

While 2020 was a year we likely would have won - the actual data shows that with a full season of wrestling, we would have likely limped to the finish.

And yes. What Sanderson is now? DT and Dake are to the current generation. The draw for elite recruits would be evened out.

Pat Lugo disagrees with your definition of literally.

Covid 2021 to 2022. Same team - but injuries.

If you assessing the "State of the Program", 2020 matters because all the changes Tom made culminated in 2020. BTW, you're "standard of excellence...PSU" finished 4th that year at Big T while they were rebuilding, same as us this year.

Take off your own rose colored glasses and get real on what it takes to win. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

I mean, sure. If that's all you think it takes. But it's not.

 

[Redm18]

Let's also realize that not only does Penn State have the best coach in the country which they do but they also have substantial geographic and monetary advantages over Iowa. The best high school wrestling seems to be in Pennsylvania and states that touch Pennsylvania. It really sucks that likey two of the best Iowa native wrestlers of the last 5 years one of who maybe would have the potential to be the best ever won't ever see a college mat or if he does will be severely limited.

 

[ChiPackHawk]

I may be extrapolating a bit (our performance in 2 weeks at NCAAs) - but for everyone who is poo-pooing my assessment - Are you ok with our performances at NCAAs? And I get we have some recruits coming in, but it was just a week ago that we all agreed we're likely losing 2 top ten recruits. So when will we win again?

And again, we can all stop with the "we should have won 2 titles" - we won 1. And we had the same exact (literally) opportunity to do it a year later, but we can't figure out how to not be injured/underperform at the end of the year. So while we finished second at big tens, we'll likely finish 2nd at NCAAs. I guess hope never dies, and guys are willing to see through Brands-colored glasses, but I'm not sure I see a change in the - Iowa wins 1 title every 13 years as long as Cael and Co are together category.

Complain about the NCAA's after the upcoming performance. The past is the past. I do believe TnT are evolving as coaches as evidenced by a very strong showing at the Big Ten's. I think they were very calculated in the matches during the season and for the most part they were all performing at a very high level because of it. Now if we could just do something about choosing to go under all the time.

 

[Redm18]

Not at all. Just want to see Iowa win. And win NCAAs at better clip than at current.



While 2020 was a year we likely would have won - the actual data shows that with a full season of wrestling, we would have likely limped to the finish.

And yes. What Sanderson is now? DT and Dake are to the current generation. The draw for elite recruits would be evened out.


Covid 2021 to 2022. Same team - but injuries.



I mean, sure. If that's all you think it takes. But it's not.

What are you talking about limped to the finish? The 2020 team dominated the big ten tournament and everyone on that team was pretty healthy coming into the NCAAs

 

[Redm18]

We?

Yeah I know I cringe to but in this board it's a collective we to me.

 

[bnicolls]

Not at all. Just want to see Iowa win. And win NCAAs at better clip than at current.



While 2020 was a year we likely would have won - the actual data shows that with a full season of wrestling, we would have likely limped to the finish.

And yes. What Sanderson is now? DT and Dake are to the current generation. The draw for elite recruits would be evened out.


Covid 2021 to 2022. Same team - but injuries.



I mean, sure. If that's all you think it takes. But it's not.

Yeah, it's not all, but PSU has it in abundance. Apart from that, there is no difference

 

[ChiPackHawk]

Let's also realize that not only does Penn State have the best coach in the country which they do but they also have substantial geographic and monetary advantages over Iowa. The best high school wrestling seems to be in Pennsylvania and states that touch Pennsylvania. It really sucks that likey two of the best Iowa native wrestlers of the last 5 years one of who maybe would have the potential to be the best ever won't ever see a college mat or if he does will be severely limited.

Can you tell me how many non-top 25 wrestlers Cael has developed into high All-Americans? He is a great recruiter and the draw of going against world class talent will always draw high end wrestlers. He does a great job of managing the talent and associated egos. Tell me who he has truly developed before you tell me how great of a coach he is. It's pretty easy there to just call a miss and over recruit the next year.

 

[vhsalum]

Yeah, it's not all, but PSU has it in abundance. Apart from that, there is no difference

There is a VAST difference in recruiting, development and injury prevention.

 

[bnicolls]

There is a VAST difference in recruiting, development and injury prevention.

The VAST difference in recruiting comes from $$$$$$$$$$$$$$. PSU has had the equivalent of 15-18 rides a year during their entire run. They're "start value" has been higher than ours which contributes to the latter two.

Tom has been solving all differentials in the past 5 years. Beginning next year, there will be none.

In the meantime, add up the last 3 years, or even 4 by giving PSU the win this year and us second. Score like a cross country meet. Our score is lower and better.

Next year will be the level field test

 

[Sandor45]

There is a VAST difference in recruiting, development and injury prevention.

Injury prevention needs to be a top priority at iowa. We have been the number one consumer of shoulder and knee braces in the Big Ten 10 years running. Pretty soon Copper Fit will sponsor Iowa wrestling.

 

[vhsalum]

The VAST difference in recruiting comes from $$$$$$$$$$$$$$. PSU has had the equivalent of 15-18 rides a year during their entire run. They're "start value" has been higher than ours which contributes to the latter two.

Tom has been solving all differentials in the past 5 years. Beginning next year, there will be none.

In the meantime, add up the last 3 years, or even 4 by giving PSU the win this year and us second. Score like a cross country meet. Our score is lower and better.

Next year will be the level field test

So starting next year, the clock is on? How long are we giving Tom to win a title?

 

[lookleft goright]

Number 2 team in the country and some folks want the head coach ran out on a rail.... speechless...

Here is the funniest thing about it. No coach has been able to dethrone Cael for the past 10 years or so, but some people think that if that coach was in Iowa City, he would be able to dethrone him. Iowa has won a couple and OSU has won one. Does anyone really think replacing TnT with someone with lesser success would be an improvement?

 

[GoHawks1996]

I said it 4 years ago that we should have fired TnT and hired Cunningham. We'd have more than 1 title and some world medalists. But alas, no.

While I think there are coaches out there that could do a good job - We need a game changer and to break up PSU. The SECOND DT steps off that podium in Los Angeles, he should be handed the job. At minimum he brings Dake, Kennedy and Gilman. Retherford and Gilman are close, so he's a possibility as well.

If only we could've brought in a new HC that recognized how huge of an upgrade it would be to get Rocky Jordan to transfer in, am I right? 🤡

 

[Redm18]

Can you tell me how many non-top 25 wrestlers Cael has developed into high All-Americans? He is a great recruiter and the draw of going against world class talent will always draw high end wrestlers. He does a great job of managing the talent and associated egos. Tell me who he has truly developed before you tell me how great of a coach he is. It's pretty easy there to just call a miss and over recruit the next year.

I don’t know that anyone consistently does that in this day and age. Joseph and Caesar are two guys that were not exactly the best of the best that he got to win titles.

 

[24timenattychamps]

I don’t know that anyone consistently does that in this day and age. Joseph and Caesar are two guys that were not exactly the best of the best that he got to win titles.

Joseph was a top 10 p4p recruit

 

[bnicolls]

So starting next year, the clock is on? How long are we giving Tom to win a title?

The playing field is level next year.

I'd expect a title every other year thereafter. 50% hit rate over the next 10 years, though I doubt he'll coach that long

 

[Redm18]

Ok I don't know where to go to get p4p history. Regardless if you don't think Cael is the best of the active coaches your nuts.

 

[vhsalum]

The playing field is level next year.

I'd expect a title every other year thereafter. 50% hit rate over the next 10 years, though I doubt he'll coach that long

Wait. You think Tom is done in less than 10???

 

[Redm18]

Wait. You think Tom is done in less than 10???

He's already quite a few years older than Gable when he retired.

 

[ChiPackHawk]

Here is the funniest thing about it. No coach has been able to dethrone Cael for the past 10 years or so, but some people think that if that coach was in Iowa City, he would be able to dethrone him. Iowa has won a couple and OSU has won one. Does anyone really think replacing TnT with someone with lesser success would be an improvement?

It's the same philosophy as to why the backup quarterback is the most popular guy in the locker room of public opinion.

 

[vhsalum]

If only we could've brought in a new HC that recognized how huge of an upgrade it would be to get Rocky Jordan to transfer in, am I right? 🤡

Fair. I can admit when I'm wrong.