Rolling out of the pocket was apparently an impossibility for CJ in the game.....basically looked like the f***ing BTCG.
Back from the Rose Bowl....my thoughts on the trip....
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You would maybe not hear about it as vehemently, but you would still be hearing about it since it was so inappropriate for the venue and setting that it would be hard to ignore. Thousands and thousands of Iowa fans were offended by their performance, fans who coughed up thousands of dollars to attend that game, and I do think they deserved better than to be "trolled" by the opposing team's band. You kind of had to be there to understand, perhaps, how bad it truly came off.
And it WAS bad, make no mistake about that.
Wrong. He had just completed a pass to McCaffery. Nice try.
So what if Iowa was still in full throttle mode? Should they just quit (like Stanford did in the first Rose Bowl game)? Throwing that bomb was classless and poor sportsmanship. Period. I would be angry and embarrassed if Iowa did that.
Your team had the chance to take the high road (like 95% of teams would have done), but chose not to.
Congratulations on the win.
I don't understand how people can question the team's effort. You really think any of those KIDS were not giving 100%? Yes, mental errors were made (1st play, INT for TD, missed assignments on OL) but I will never question their effort. You may have seen some KIDS with their heads down after going down 21 or 28 to 0...but that doesn't mean they gave up. I'm proud they came out and won the 2nd half, great season and special group of KIDS. Go Hawks!
Both Shaw and Hogan have said on record it was Hogan's call and Shaw was only sending in run plays. That quick one to McCaff was to get him over the 100 yards mark in receiving.
As I said before, it is more insulting to your opponent to just kneel down and roll over. Don't the kids, who practice all season and will never play in the NFL, deserve the chance to go out and compete at their best effort? You think your defense gets any quality reps in live fire if the opponent is just running into a pile? You don't like being scored on with a stat-padding TD? GET BETTER! This is not peewee football--play football to the last whistle or go home.
so the band gets no funding but the AD allows these idiots to go out and represent the university? Maybe just maybe it is time to not let them be associated with the Treehuggers and ban them from all activities. They are a joke. The last pass by your qb was classless. Why the hell is he even in the game? Would have been justice if he or #5 got hurt late. The 2nd unit can play and get after it in the last 2 min and nobody is butthurt.
You can justify it to yourself all you want.....it was still classless and poor sportsmanship. The vast majority of teams would not have done this. Had Hogan been injured on that play I'm sure you would be singing a different tune.
Enjoy the win.
Only people who never play or understand football think that was classless, so thanks for identifying yourself in that regard.
Considering that was Hogan's last play of his career, an injury wouldn't have bothered me all that much.
Pretty lame effort to justify the existence of a worthless organization with absolutely no socially redeeming value whatsoever. For what it's worth, you did absolutely nothing to change my opinion that they should either conduct themselves with some degree of class or be shut down altogether.
Defenders of this "band" invariably go immediately to the fact that "they do this to everyone" which, in their minds, somehow justifies their offensive conduct. What a logical fallacy. Is a serial murderer less guilty because "he does it all the time"? I'll let you answer that for yourselves. Yes, the Stanford band is a million times more harmless than a serial killer, but you get the point. I have nothing against humor -- all for it, in fact. They can be a humorous "scatter band" and not mock others in a flat-out insulting, demeaning way. If they aren't creative enough to be humorous without acting like a bunch of pompous asses, they should take up another hobby.
Cardinal,
Stanford fans were the worst I have encountered in almost any sports setting. I expected the air of superiority and entitlement of Northwestern fans. What I didn't expect was that they'd also have a heavy dose of the arrogance of Nebraska fans and rudeness of the drunk Wiskey fans.
Stanford fans were the worst I have encountered in almost any sports setting. I expected the air of superiority and entitlement of Northwestern fans. What I didn't expect was that they'd also have a heavy dose of the arrogance of Nebraska fans and rudeness of the drunk Wiskey fans.
You don't know anything about me.
But the fact that you wouldn't care if Hogan was injured sure says a lot about YOU.
(and it WAS classless)
83, your #7 is way off base ... the players and coaches gave max effort in prep and the game, sometimes the other teams scheme/plan works better, their players play better, their team takes advantage of a break or two, they get on a roll, etc. ... Stanford is a good team that was just plain better than Iowa on Friday, it happens (i.e. doesn't mean Iowa "didn't want to be there", that is just silly).
83, the players cared.... ALOT. They, and not the fans, were the ones that won 12 games in 2015. Not saying this to be antagonistic, but they didn't get this far by not caring or being apathetic. They overcame many obstacles to get to that point. They felt absolutely terrible about letting their fans down in that manner, and it really hurt having to send off the seniors in that way. These words were paraphrased from my conversation with my kid (who is a Hawk player).
I do think they ran into an opponent that was clearly better than them, and they were outplayed and out coached. This is nothing to hang their head about in the long run - as long as they use this to help them refocus for 2016, and carry on the turnaround started in 2015. With continued good play on the field, improved recruiting, and tweaking of bowl game coaching/game prep, the program will undoubtedly improve. This is the key, IMO. Go Hawks!!
The one sack he took where he could barely walk off I thought he was done for the day.
I was not meaning to be disrespectful. Please thank your son for a great season.
My impression is probably a combination of the Stanford players being better, falling behind big early, and the horrendous game preparation by the coaching staff.
It was a great season, I had heard practices were a little lethargic prior to leaving Iowa City, Stanford played their starters a little longer than I would have expected in a game like this, would have hated to see McCaffery tweak a knee on a play designed with the sole purpose of getting him stats, if it's the 2nd or 3rd string qb throwing that pass to a backup receiver than less would be said. And yes played the game after high school as well. The Stanford band is and has been a disgrace, it did the unthinkable, made me root for ND. The fans weren't enjoyable. As far as the Cardinal claims that they belong in the final four and that the Big Ten was exposed, well hopefully they can look in the mirror and blame themselves. Try leaving your state and beating a middle of the pack Big Ten team and all of your problems are gone. You had to travel east and play an early game? Boo hoo, get better.
Don't worry , you will never be invited back to another Rose Bowl after that debacle
I saw many mistakes and lack of fundamentals in the game. Imo they may have physically played 100%, but mentally they were far from 100%... at least imo. Regardless how physical football is, that mental part is still huge. If you've seen little giants then you know football is 80% mental and 40% physical
.They had more pressure on them than probably any hawkeye team(any sport) I've ever seen, and they didn't handle it well. Of course I am sure I wouldn't have either.
Either way, it is what it is....looking forward to 8 months from now!!!
The Rose Bowl was a mismatch. Stanford was clearly the better team and was better prepared. I would never say that Iowa didn't give it 100%. Iowa had a fabulous year and this poor showing does not change the great things this team accomplished.
between Cowherd and Finebaum during the season and the Stanford Band at the bowl games, I think many of Hawk fans are simply looking for something to get riled up about
Oh, I don't know about Stanford fans being totally classy. While walking into the game my wife and I wished some Stanford fans good luck and they raised their glass and said let us toast the losers.
Also found it appalling when a male and female Stanford couple got in the face of an elderly couple from Iowa, probably in their 70's. Came late and accused them of taking their seat space, which they had not. Real classy.
If you want to make excuses for an out of control bunch of spoiled brats, so be it. Personally, I did not find any creativity in their antics. They totally disrespected Iowa and farmers. Somebody needs to take them behind the woodshed and teach them some manners. Little punks!
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And then like 2 plays later he ran for several yds or a 1st down and was fine......
At least we Iowa fans are really distinguishing ourselves in this thread.
I think you are confusing Ohio State's band with Stanford's. I'll buy you a drink sometime in downtown Des Moines so you know there are no hard feelings.
Like I said, much of what they do involves knowledge only students or alumni know. For example, Stanford is called "The Farm". With that in mind, here is a link to the script that most did not hear that accompanied the formations. Stanford, Iowa, and the Rose bowl all approved the show.
https://www.facebook.com/lsjumb/posts/10154484759815760
CJ was far from 'fine' after the hit he took in the first quarter. It is yet one more example of the toughness he exhibited for much of the 2015 season.
Here is hoping Beathard can have a truly healthy (in comparison to this fall) season next fall.
Wow! I am sorry you experienced that; I cannot stand that kinda crap. Everyone I know would not do that and are more inviting, but maybe you were dealing with non-alumni fans who feel superior just because "I cheer for Stanford". Yeah, f*** those types.
I guess that makes it okay to let him sit in the pocket every time and get left with NJ owner to go before getting crushed multiple times.
Much safer than rolling out of the pocket by design so that he can throw the ball away if need to be to avoid unnecessary hits (note, he doesn't have to run/scramble every time he leaves the pocket............)
And if the coaches are that worried about his options being limited and we can't get any pass off then it's time to get more creative in the run game.
We should be able to do more than the basic zone stretch or two yd dive next year to beat teams, especially the good ones, with the group we have coming back.
But I guess that depends on if the staff learns anything from this year or if they want to truly take that next step rather than just getting there.
Obviously, the players and coaches all wanted to be there and obviously they cared. However, I can also appreciate a group of 18-22 year olds getting down quickly, having every offensive scheme be shut down quickly, watching Stanford's offense demolish Iowa's vaunted defense, losing a bit of that focus and energy to continue giving 100% effort throughout the entire game.
One question I have for you or anyone in the know is WHY did Stanford look so much better prepared than Iowa? I can live with Stanford having better players, and McCaffery is one of the best I've seen. But, once again, the Iowa coaching staff seemed woefully unprepared for this bowl game. I thought they had learned their lesson years ago (eg. Orange Bowl vs. Georgia Tech), but the past few bowls leave me questioning the staff's commitment to bowl preparation.
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