Yeah it sounds like he has some growing to do still. However our QB in college would have those practices every once and a while too and throw 3-4 picks. I think some coaches get too caught up on those things as QB's in practicces tend to take more risks trying to find a relationship on some plays with WR's for the upcomming games. I remember our coach telling our QB that you could throw 10 interceptions all week at practice but that will lead you to throwing 1 or none on gameday after you figure out what is working. I guess it depends what types of interceptions he is throwing and if he is learning from those throws but I agree.
Badgers have themselves a Rudock/Beathard situation
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Yeah it sounds like he has some growing to do still. However our QB in college would have those practices every once and a while too and throw 3-4 picks. I think some coaches get too caught up on those things as QB's in practicces tend to take more risks trying to find a relationship on some plays with WR's for the upcomming games. I remember our coach telling our QB that you could throw 10 interceptions all week at practice but that will lead you to throwing 1 or none on gameday after you figure out what is working. I guess it depends what types of interceptions he is throwing and if he is learning from those throws but I agree.
I can tell you right now the posters who will 100% disagree with this and I am one of them. I have SEEN zero data to suggest this has merit outside of the always easy hindsight is 20/200 and even then its not a fair assessment. In fact, if you are willing to say Bill Parcells or Bill Bellichik showed favoritism by playing Drew Bledsoe over Hall of Famers, Tom Brady and Tony Romo, then and only then would I agree. Of course then the implication is, if they did it once they've done it at other times and therefore all criticisms holds merit...see?! THAT is the problem, that's how people process things. Here are the scenarios I have witnessed.....
The only one close is the JC/Stanzi debate.....I still propose there was more going on than we will ever know.
Banks/McCann....nope....
JR/CJ...nope. I've said it 100 times if I've said once. The critics needed JR to wander off into the sunset and bomb. Not only did he not bomb he had a record year at UM....
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I can't help but make fun of myself...you'll notice 20/200 is way better than 20/20...LOL
My guess is you didnt watch any Michigan games. The fact you think our guys were just as good as their receivers tells me that. I also don't know what you mean by record year? A personal best yes he had that Harbaugh likes to throw more. But he still had the same problems. The Utah game which I watched when he needed to throw down field he threw 3 picks.
When Beathard was in for Rudock many fans saw glimses of him making the throws that Rudock couldnt make when the game was on the line. You could even tell their was something going on with the team. Why do you think Beathard eventually passed Rudock up?
Watched them a lot....You wouldn't believe how many college and high school football games I watch a year.
I have seen it said over and over that KF has this tendency to favor the starter. I think his overall body of work would suggest that maybe he knows what he is doing.
KF has been here for 17 years. 214 games, 22 starters each game. I have heard the same 5 names over and over as KF having a tendency to favor the starters over the "clearly more talented" players. 5 names in god knows how many starters. That is not a tendency.
Now can we talk about how many recruits and 2nd/3rd stringers the fans said should be playing that they were wrong on? Nobody ever comes here and says remember how I wanted Nico Law to replace Donatell at Safety, man was I way off on that one. How about the Iowa fans that were beckoning for Jake Christiensen to replace Drew Tate. Ya it happened! Or James Vandeberg to replace Ricky Stanzi. It happened.
I remember this very board going bananas because Jared Ebert out of ICWW didnt' get an Iowa offer. What a monster miss that was and how all Iowa had to do was offer and he would have been a Hawkeye. If you are wondering who Jared Ebert is that is exactly my point. He went to oregon and made like 2 tackles in 3 years.
Then you have to factor in whether or not the player was actually ready when the fans claimed he was ready. It's been well documented that Brad Banks was no where near ready to play the year before he starred at Iowa. But the fans knew better about that. Contrary to popular belief on this board, these players don't show up in Iowa City NFL ready.
The big difference in all of this is KF's decisions are all out there as a matter of public record. The thousands of posters who have came here and said this guy should be starting rarely have it thrown back in their face when they are wrong. I speak only for myself but the fans have a "tendency" of being wrong.
And no Im not related to KF. I think he is an average game day coach with a way above average character for a college football caoch and a master at developing talent. He's not perfect, he's just better at coaching than our fans. That's my thought anyway.
KF has been here for 17 years. 214 games, 22 starters each game. I have heard the same 5 names over and over as KF having a tendency to favor the starters over the "clearly more talented" players. 5 names in god knows how many starters. That is not a tendency.
Now can we talk about how many recruits and 2nd/3rd stringers the fans said should be playing that they were wrong on? Nobody ever comes here and says remember how I wanted Nico Law to replace Donatell at Safety, man was I way off on that one. How about the Iowa fans that were beckoning for Jake Christiensen to replace Drew Tate. Ya it happened! Or James Vandeberg to replace Ricky Stanzi. It happened.
I remember this very board going bananas because Jared Ebert out of ICWW didnt' get an Iowa offer. What a monster miss that was and how all Iowa had to do was offer and he would have been a Hawkeye. If you are wondering who Jared Ebert is that is exactly my point. He went to oregon and made like 2 tackles in 3 years.
Then you have to factor in whether or not the player was actually ready when the fans claimed he was ready. It's been well documented that Brad Banks was no where near ready to play the year before he starred at Iowa. But the fans knew better about that. Contrary to popular belief on this board, these players don't show up in Iowa City NFL ready.
The big difference in all of this is KF's decisions are all out there as a matter of public record. The thousands of posters who have came here and said this guy should be starting rarely have it thrown back in their face when they are wrong. I speak only for myself but the fans have a "tendency" of being wrong.
And no Im not related to KF. I think he is an average game day coach with a way above average character for a college football caoch and a master at developing talent. He's not perfect, he's just better at coaching than our fans. That's my thought anyway.
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WOW, that could not have been said better...nice work!!! My thoughts 100% and I talk and debate for a living and I could not have said it more poignantly, efficiently or emphatically!!!
There is no question KF is better at coaching then our fans but you said it yourself he is not perfect and if youre not perfect fans will critique you that is just sports. I think its crazy to think KF when he made the decisions to change things up at some positions he made those changes at just the right moment and I am a KF fan but realize he has faults.
You are a decent fella, or so it seems. I say that because I DON'T want to challenge you or get into the same kind of pi&$** match I do with these others cats that I don't care so much for. But here is thing...WE ALL have faults, but in my profession my "calculated" errors are more "ok" than your questioning of me after the fact and so are KF's.
Case in point, please answer this...How do you feel about Bill Parcells and Bill B playing Bledsoe over these Hall of fame QB's?! On the surface and in hindsight, its was a huge mistake. But these are Hall of Fame coaches here and excuse me for my brashness but they are above the "questioning" of "message boards fanatics". Yet if you are questioning personnel decisions they do need to be questioned.....and so on it goes.
I guess I don't really care what "our" fans think KF should have done? They are wrong 99% of the times and right, as Heat said what...1%..LOL
They also pick what they use for Data, I haven't as of yet gone back and researched but I'll wager those picks in the Utah game (I did watch it but don't remember) weren't necessarily all tough throws down field. Also I seem to remember him throwing some darts down field in the IU game. Those all count too.
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blah blah blah, I am self righteous and know everything, and no fans should ever question coaches on message boards because I say so and I pretend I don't care if someone criticizes a coach but I really do for some reason. Probably because I think my opinion matters than more than other people's opinion.
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LOL....thanks for this, made my day. You've been desperately trying to bait me for sometime and I've just been waiting for you to lose patience. Says a great deal more about you than me....
LOL....thanks for this, made my day. You've been desperately trying to bait me for sometime and I've just been waiting for you to lose patience. Says a great deal more about you than me....
I just call it like I see it.
By the by, I went back and watched highlights of that Utah vs UM game and that's the epitome of people fitting their agenda inside what they are seeing. JR threw some awesome deep passes that literally just missed over the top of the WR and honestly that could be attributed to chemistry and timing more than anything else. It was the first game. He also completed a beautiful pass down the middle of the field for a TD through 2 defenders. The 3 INT's were bad routes and awareness by the WR and only one was deep, the other 2 were within 10 yards of the LOS. This is my point, people make a decision what they believe to be true and then no matter what they see, its "proof"...Its a phenomenon that we battle every day. Its truly an epidemic. We have trained ourselves to not make a "qualifying" decision until we have critically and deeply evaluated all the data and often the surface data is just that. Stuff on the surface....
When people tell me I must not have watched the game that is always a tell for me that I need to go and rewatch because they don't remember it well themselves.
When people tell me I must not have watched the game that is always a tell for me that I need to go and rewatch because they don't remember it well themselves.
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The almighty Chad has spoken on Rudock against Utah. He has proven himself right while at the same time attacked those who don't agree, basically saying they are sick and ignorant.
For the record, this is the tactic of a desperate man who hasn't been able to accomplish his goal with normal discourse. Mostly because he is working from a poor premise. I'm assuming you know my opinion is shared by many on here? Those who have typically proven to be the most reasonable at that....
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PS..Auger something just hit me, did you say Harbaugh likes to throw more? When he was in the NFL they always talked about him being a physical run first throwback Coach? Even now Rudock threw 389 passes to CJ's 362? That's 2 more passes a game.
Add in Speight's 25 passes and the avg goes up slightly...I'm just joking around here...Your point stands..
quantity does not equal quality. MI had much better targets than IA, period.
There is a reason 2 were 1st team all b1g, while IA had zero 1st-3rd team.
Holy snikes heat, it's exhausting, how do you do it.... The three better targets does not equate to a quarterback who can throw downfield better holy shit.
Iowa had several really really good options, Michigan had three terrific
options, give it up. If your attempt is to explain away Jake Rudock having a hell of a year it's not going to work!
The board Nazis luv to use LOL . . . just like my 7th grade niece.
Oh, and we did have an all-league WR. His name was Willies and he played in the Juco ranks wondering why Vandy was selected ahead of him by the coaches.
Oh, and we did have an all-league WR. His name was Willies and he played in the Juco ranks wondering why Vandy was selected ahead of him by the coaches.
You think Chesson and Butt landing on the b1g 1st all team was just because they didn't have a great running game? That's ridiculous!
Aaron Burbridge and Alex ericson only got there because of their teams lack of run game as well, right? lmao
How many IA receivers from last year will be going on to the NFL?
how much better is a terrific option than a really, really good option?
And for the record a complete bastardization of what I meant? Go look at Michigan's receiving stats and all the options we actively used I think you'll figure it out. Here is a hint UM only had 3 guys with over 200 total yards. And pretty much only three guys who caught TDs
Dude you really have issues. You've been at this all day basically prancing around about how your opinions are better then everyone else's. Is this your life? Like how you cherry pick crap about Rudock oh his int's weren't even his fault haha. He couldn't do crap and make the plays against Utah, MSU and Ohio St big game Rudock huh oh but he had one hell of a game against Indiana! And what's this Bledsoe crap he had a pretty good season that year and was a pretty good QB in his career. Your comparisons are crap first Tebow and now Bledsoe a dude that was having a good year then got replaced do to injury.
Here is something I learned...people call others self-righteous or judge mental or condescending et al.....when they don't like what they have to say, so it kind of is what it is. It goes along with my realization some years ago that Judge not lest you be judged has replaced John 316 as the most recognizable scripture & do you know why?
What people really mean is I'm going to proceed to judge you every chance I get but you damn well better not be judging me. That's why I don't take people to seriously unless I get to know them. You can't trust them to be honest with themselves.
And honestly I haven't been on here for years so truly Id focus on yourself. To tell you the truth I really don't have much of a problem with you but clearly I make some people mad and I'm OK with that you're just like the people that call in on the radio talkshow's completely out in left field and totally clueless as to what goes on to make these very tough decisions.
I talk to coaches all the time and they pretty routinely laugh off the critics I just like to challenge them a little!
You put a healthy Percy Harvin on your side of the ball, you'll win a lot of games no matter what school you play at and who the QB is. Not saying Tebow didn't do his share, he is the QB after all, but with Percy around he was never going to be the best Offensive player on that team.
Yeah Percy was awesome too bad he turned out to be such a flake. That's the one thing these Top Tier coaches like Saban & Myers do that most of the rest don't. Theyy figure out how to get all these kids with these monster egos to play together long enough to win championships!
On a sidenote Les Miles is another guy that is constantly getting critiqued for allegedly playing the wrong players.
Boy you just have it all figured out don't you. You're so smart and knowledgeable, so much genius that thank god they invented the Internet so you can sit on it all day blessing everybody with your knowledge and how below everyone is to you and your superior way of living. Re-read everything you've posted and see if your genius can detect how narcissistic you are. Or just just continue to post how amazing you are and how foolish everyone else is based on all this amazing knowledge you've obtained in life that no body else can see on the account of how foolish we all are.
In his mind, he's never been wrong once in his life. If you disagree with him, you are an idiot. He cries about not being able to stand these boards, but then comes on here spouting off as if he's Jesus. I wonder why he can't stand them?
Like I'm the first one who ever told you guys your constant bitching and complaining about the coaches & their decision-making isnt exhausting! Talk about beating your own drum holy snikes! See that's the thing I don't have a problem admitting I'm wrong you do. Stop and think about it I'm not the one constantly pissing and moaning about the coaches! You are! And you guys definitely do not like turnabout it pisses you off and I'm OK with that!
Point proven, thanks.
Also, can't say I've pissed and moaned about a single coach on this board.
Lastly, you would seem a lot more credible if you at least tried to use a comma once in a while.
Also too bad I dropped about $150 on a nice Harvin jersey when he was with the Vikings (still have a bit older Greenway jersey though!). When Percy hit the field while healthy, he was a complete bad-ass. But he was also a head case and now injury prone to the point of retiring last I heard.
Say what you will about some of these overpaid pampered athletes, but when Percy Harvin hit the football field, he was all business! One tough little hombre.
