As I watched on my cell phone Sat. afternoon, I had flashbacks to Mr. White. High praise! Seem to be very similar dudes, no?
baer = whitey?
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I think they bring the same energy and ball IQ. So far, Baer is a much better shooter at the same stage of their careers.
I think Baer will be a much better SF. White killed our spacing when he played the three and didn't have the lateral quickness to defend that position. Baer isn't as good off the ball offensively or in transition but that is where White excelled. I'll take Baer's defense and shooting over White any day though.
The comparision has already been made but I agree with whoever said he reminds them of Ryan Bowen.
I think White simply had a knack for being wherever the ball went or wherever he could get the ball for a dunk. I don't see that in anybody on this team
If they straighten out his back...he may be 7 feet tall. What a find this kid is though. He's going to be really freaking good. He's ten times the shooter that White was at this stage of his freshman year...and when White was a Soph, and when White was a Junior...and pretty close to when White made his run at the end of his senior year. He's got to work on his handles and obviously strength, but he has a very uncanny knack of anticipating where he needs to be...call it basketball IQ or whatever. Woody better be careful...we may go small alot more if we show we can rebound with that lineup. Our offense is much better with Baer, Uthoff, Uhl, Gesell, and Sap (substitute Jok for either guard)...and all run the floor really well. What a find for Fran.
Yeah, his posture is odd. Hopefully it isn't anything health related but he certainly looks like he would be at least an inch or more taller if he had better posture.
Kind of looks like one of those video game kids that ends up with hunched shoulders.
Kind of looks like one of those video game kids that ends up with hunched shoulders.
I remember when Basabe went off against Sullinger as a freshman and we thought we had a future NBA 1st rounder on our hands.
Let's not put Baer in the same category as a top 10 all time Hawkeye based on one good game against a bad Drake team.
It was encouraging but too early to project future ability.
Let's not put Baer in the same category as a top 10 all time Hawkeye based on one good game against a bad Drake team.
It was encouraging but too early to project future ability.
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I think Baer will be All Big 10 next year after Uthoff gets out of his way.
The bigger question is if he'll go to the NBA after his junior year or if he'll stick around for his senior year.
The bigger question is if he'll go to the NBA after his junior year or if he'll stick around for his senior year.
Depends if he can get the manager/coach role like Lebron right away.
Not to take away from Baer's hard working play to this point, but it's just not a valid comparison. His shooting is better and will remain so. He will not match White's best skills.
Baer will have a much tougher haul in conference play.
Baer will have a much tougher haul in conference play.
I agree on tapping the breaks a little bit with Baer, but his shooting and defense do appear a bit better than White as a freshman. Baer is a redshirt, though, so he has a year under his belt, which is worth quite a bit. I hope we can find a way to get him a scholarship sooner rather than later.
Thank you, I am surprised by how many people don't seem to realize this fact. When you red-shirt a walk on, the coaches realize that there is potential there, and not just someone to fill 30 seconds of a non-con game.
I think Sapp bogs down the offense. I would start Baer or Uhl and let Sapp be one of the top 6yh men in the league.
Interesting to read thoughts on the lineup. While we all do not agree on the specifics, it seems there is a consensus that some tweaking is in order. It will be interesting to see if Fran and staff share our sentiment or if they are getting what they want out of the lineup 'as is'. Fran seemed more willing to stick with a different mix of guys against Drake than he did against ISU, so maybe he is starting to trust guys for longer stretches.
Clemmons is a bit of an enigma to me. He is invisible for long stretches, then steps up and hits a big 3 or makes a really nice drive to the hoop. I don't know if it is confidence or selfless play, but he shifts in and out of attack mode and I would like to see him stay aggressive. He has a strong upper body and can absorb contact in the paint and last I checked, he is around 40% from 3. I realize Jok and Uthoff are the volume shooters, but Clemmons and others have keep defenders honest and exploit overplaying passing lanes, etc.
Clemmons is a bit of an enigma to me. He is invisible for long stretches, then steps up and hits a big 3 or makes a really nice drive to the hoop. I don't know if it is confidence or selfless play, but he shifts in and out of attack mode and I would like to see him stay aggressive. He has a strong upper body and can absorb contact in the paint and last I checked, he is around 40% from 3. I realize Jok and Uthoff are the volume shooters, but Clemmons and others have keep defenders honest and exploit overplaying passing lanes, etc.
No one is saying Baer is in the same category as White. Yet. And if he turns out to be as good as Basabe I think we'd all be thrilled. But just because you cannot project future ability doesn't mean others can't.
Prior to the start of the season, it was my opinion that Baer would be hard pressed to make a sub rotation.
At this early junction, he appears ready to challenge for starter minutes.
In other words, Nicholas Baer's emergence is the biggest roster surprise so far this season IMHO.
I second what was posted earlier ........ the redshirt year was, in all likelihood, immensely important for to his development.
At this early junction, he appears ready to challenge for starter minutes.
In other words, Nicholas Baer's emergence is the biggest roster surprise so far this season IMHO.
I second what was posted earlier ........ the redshirt year was, in all likelihood, immensely important for to his development.
Baer is kind of his own guy. At times I see White, at times I see Uthoff, at times I see Bowen and at times I see J.R. Koch. I think Baer should add another 10lbs as I don't see it affecting his game in the negative. Baer gets rebounds and scores buckets by exploiting space that was left unoccupied by the D. His ability to exploit that space with another 10lbs will drastically improve his game like Ryan Bowen
White is much more athletic and Baer is much more skilled IMO. Whitey could jump out of the gym and Baer can just flat out play basketball. Glad both are/were Hawkeyes
I've been encouraged by Baer's play as well, but we have to remember that just a couple of weeks ago Ellingson had a 20 point game and has been less effective since. Just don't think we should raise our expectations too much until we see how he will perform when the competition gets notched up several levels in Big Ten play. He is, when all is said and done, a slightly built redshirt, walk-on freshman and I'm afraid if he doesn't produce at an elevated level, the usual naysayers will be attacking him, as they have pretty much every other member of this squad.
Players that shoot well, hustle, and play good defense are highly valuable...how they "look" or how high they jump isn't as important.
My mistake, I must have taken the "Baer=Whitey" headline out of context. How many times have people said an NBA prospect is the next Michael Jordan? They even called Harold Miner "baby Jordan" and he was a complete bust. I'm encouraged by the last two games from Baer against inferior competition. I'm just not ready to compare him to an all time Hawkeye great following one game. We've seen that happen too many times.
Plus I don't think Baer is even the same type of player as White. They have different skillsets.
I also don't necessarily see the comparison. Maybe in physical stature there are similarities, but I think their games are much different. Aaron White lived in transition and his ability to get to the FT line. Baer is a better shooter and a bit more positioning/finesse around the rim. Always thought AW was more effective at the 4, I see Nick more at the 3.
A skinny white guy that had a couple of run out dunks, does the comparison go any deeper than that?
Ones game is primarily jump shooting, the other basically never shot jumpers for the majority of his career.
They're really not very similar at all.
Ones game is primarily jump shooting, the other basically never shot jumpers for the majority of his career.
They're really not very similar at all.
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Except for them both being tall, thin and anglo - i dont see much of any comparison to Aaron W. Baer is a better shooting version of Ryan Bowen as had been mentioned. He reminds of players that iowa typically does NOT get but they end up at UNI or other mid majors having really good careers. Very happy we nabbed him, am surprised he did not have more offers coming out of h.s.
Baer brings an outstanding understanding of the game and the ability to anticipate on the court, which is how he is most similar to White and Bowen. He has been a very pleasant surprise, and is definitely one of our top 8 players at this point, with three more years to play. Besides his smarts, Baer gives Fran lots of options, because he can play three positions very well. He really has everything (good shooter, rebounder, defender, hustle) except strength, which will get better. Definitely a keeper.
Baer's emergence might create a recruiting dilemma for Fran. He definitely deserves a scholarship, but we are in on some very good players for 2017 and would like to grab one. Not sure how that will sort itself out, but the discussion of whether Fran would consider not giving a scholarship to his sons could be a nice solution.
Baer's emergence might create a recruiting dilemma for Fran. He definitely deserves a scholarship, but we are in on some very good players for 2017 and would like to grab one. Not sure how that will sort itself out, but the discussion of whether Fran would consider not giving a scholarship to his sons could be a nice solution.
That's interesting, I would have said if they deserve a scholarship(which both do) give them one. However, that might be a credible option if no one transfers.....although I think somebody might, even more of a dilemma if jones get medical redshirt bc he balanced out Junior class
At first I thought he meant Bowen (which I thought was off) but then I actually thought about it and realized he meant Whitey. I don't know why but when I think of all time top 10 Hawks, I don't think of White. But he does have impressive numbers. So yes, he's up there.
Sorry but I would not rank White a top 10 Hawkeye! I would venture to say that White would not even see the floor on Iowa's last Elite 8 team.
I would say you are correct here. At least in the tight games. But in most games he would seem some time. For two reasons, Dr Tom's rotations. And the transition game.
Back on topic, Baer and White are not a good comparison.
I think he needs to play against some competition to start comparing him to any of the above. The above all had great careers and were go to guys on their respective teams. Looking at stats how did he fair against the upper 25% Iowa has played versus the lower 25%. I watched the ISU, Dayton, Marquette, and Florida State games and don't remember him doing anything.
I was saying the same thing. Yesterday worked for me. The guy is good... I will say a Ryan Bowen with an outside shot. I will also say Kyle Galloway, but better.
Baer will make a good starter. And he will be a 3 year starter at that.
in my opinion thats the exact type of team white would have excelled on. he wouldn't have been keyed on by the defense so he would have been free to roam the baseline and pick up the garbage. with the other scoring options we had, we wouldn't have to let the offense run thru him trying to let him create, which was never his strongest game.
to the other point: so you're saying the all time 2nd leading scorer in iowa history would only see "some" time in most games and the ALL time leader in FT made and attempted (by a wide margin) would not see time in close games??
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