Do you live in California? Last time I checked you live in CR.
Republicans are always blamed after disasters. Are you new to planet Earth?
They live in a chapparral biome where regular fires are actually part of the natural cycle of the ecosystem. Fires are supposed to happen. The only "mismanagement" was allowing people to build homes there in the first place but that happened over a century ago. I guess you can try to keep them from moving back there but good luck with that. The insurance companies might make that happen on their own anyway.
Well I have read that there wasnt water to fight the fires, a budget for the fire department or removing the forest floor debris ripe for fire.
No, Politicians are blamed for shitty responses to natural disasters. It just so happens that seemingly 9/10 (probably) of the shitty responses to natural disasters are led by Republicans. Jeb Bush never had this problem so it is possible for Republicans to lead responsibly, it just seems like hitting the lowest possible standard and then blaming a Democrat somewhere is how they operate these days.Republicans are always blamed after disasters. Are you new to planet Earth?
DeSantis says he 'has not seen' media hold Democratic California leaders accountable for wildfires | Fox News Video
Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis pointed out the difference in how Republican and Democratic leaders are treated by some in media when natural disasters take place in their states.www.foxnews.com
Stop reading "news" from those places because they are at best misleading you. The water issue is limited by physics, the budget required for a fire department to handle 5 massive fires with 100 mph winds blowing would be utterly ridiculous for any state to maintain, and "removing forest floor debris" would also require billions of dollars. In fact, in nature, it is the fire that is responsible for removing that debris.
Could part of the palisades been helped if they had more water?
Calm down, your forehead vein is starting to bulge.
I suppose if the fire had been put out within 5 minutes of it starting that would have helped. Would you vote to have the tax rate high enough to have a firetruck stationed on every block to make that possible? There were hundred mph wind gusts blowing a fire over land that hasn't seen an inch of rain since May. It would take a tsunami coming in off the Pacific to deal with that.
And there it is. Stop watching Fox News. Having black people in leadership positions is not why these fires happened. Any serious debating points to add?
Ugh no, we get pages of DeSantis is to blame nitpicking his every move threads. There's no high road here especially by lefties who all of a sudden don't think politics should be played during disasters.
I don't care who is in charge when natural disasters occur, every year...those in charge who are not prepared will show and expose themselves and should be held accountable.
The tax rate is plenty high and firetrucks were available early on in many neighborhoods. Homes could have been saved. Certainly not all but many. There was no water. Quit providing cover for people who don't deserve it. Major failures occurred and people deserve to know how and why.
Sure, right. That's why you keep harping on a completely unavoidable catastrophe and searching for someone to blame. Sometimes, shit happens. You don't go around trying to tear someone apart for it happening, you deal with the problem. Again, short of never letting anyone build homes there in the first place, there is nothing reasonable that could have been done. The fact that the best you can come up with is "more water" without any mention of the logistics of doing that or the cost shows that either you aren't interested in actual solutions or you are so uninformed on the topic you really shouldn't be commenting on anything here.
Please, tell me how you can change physics? There is only so much water in a truck and there is only so much water in the water mains of a city's water system. How could they have gotten more water from the reservoirs in the mountains to the fire hydrants on the street? Also, I'd love to hear of another location, anywhere, that has a fire hydrant system designed for all of the fire hydrants to be used at the exact same time and be able to maintain water pressure because that's what this scenario would have required.
I'm not a water supply expert and don't pretend to be. But in a city like LA, with a high fire risk, firetrucks shouldn't be showing up in Palisades early on in the event and not having water available. Numerous home owners have shared this happened very early on.
Because the city doesn't have an unlimited budget. No city plans for an event like this. They plan for putting out a random house fire, not putting out all the houses that are on fire at once. To build a system that could do that would compete with the federal military budget and just isn't a realistic option at all. To continue to set this ridiculously high expectation and then to stick with it once it has been explained multiple times why that is not possible stinks of just an attempt to turn this into a political hatchet job. I mean, no one asks why Midwestern families aren't expected to build homes that can withstand an F4 tornado, but that is the expectation you are setting here.
Raking the forests? Please be specific, or you sounds like yet another MAGAt stooge who just whines about a disaster because it's liberal California. I'm trying to help you make an argument anyone takes seriously.
This is a legitimate suggestion. Although controlled land burns in the middle of a heavily populated city area are generally frowned upon. I wouldn't be surprised if there are major changes to what types of vegetation are allowed to be planted when they rebuild though. Or not, there's a lot of really rich people involved so they may put a stop to any limits to what plants they can grow in their yards.
Sigh. As already stated, many times. The reason that some hydrants were low/empty was because there was too much strain on the water supply. The fire is/was too big.
Every part of this is wrong. I’ll concede I don’t have any idea about the insurance part, though I’m dubious of your claim based on the rest of your post.
Sorry but when people in the first hours of the fire were reporting no water being available in hydrants I'm just not so willing to accept explanations from shitty politicians playing cya. There's just no possible way the outcomes we're seeing were completely unavoidable.
Go study up on how water systems work. It's clear you just don't have the basic knowledge to even have a conversation about this. But you do need to stop pushing your lack of knowledge on to other people and start screaming about negligence.
Again, you are part of the problem. If you want to act as if the sums policies had no impact then so be it. I don’t care, my house ain’t burning. But anyone with an ounce of common sense and honesty would admit the dims policies have played a significant role in this.
I don't know. I don't spend time following the intricacies of the Pacific Palisades water system. But yeah, let's go ahead and jump all in on the outrage and finger pointing because there can't possibly, under any circumstances, be any logical reason whatsoever for that reservoir to be empty. I mean, it hasn't rained since May there but I'm sure that didn't have anything to do with it. It was obviously because they wanted the city to burn down.
No, no. Don’t pussy out and call me the problem. Back this dumbass claim up with evidence, or STFU MAGAt brain.
sounds like the reservoir "cover" was under some type of repair thus it was unavailable to help with the water supply. While it's awful timing and a coincidence it was empty at the time of the fire, it does shoot down your whole, "nothing would have helped" official story when in fact this would have helped greatly.
Wrong. Reading now the palisades reservoir was empty bc it was under repair. Bad luck/timing but it's simply not accurate the water supply was poor bc of strain or overuse. They would have had hundreds of millions of gallons to utilize instead of a few million of the reservoir wasn't unavailable.
Fair enough and im probably conflating two reports that I’ve read where they said part of the problem was that there was too much strain on the system, causing some hydrants to run dry at times.
