Basketball in Iowa
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ISU offered Morgan, but with his family history, they were never in contention.
Some of the twisted logic on this board makes me laugh. You have some great threads trying to find ways to put down ISU. Funny I don't see these kind of threads regarding your old protected rival....Purdue. Jealousy does tend to encourage creative thinking. ISU will recruit iowa kids if they think they are good enough. Jok would likely be a clone, if it had not been for the lefty Moore debacle. We wanted uthof, but he chose iowa......although that was a done deal from the start. Besides all your noise, i can't figure out, week to week, if you guys like gessel, oglosby and Woodbury or not. Seems like more often than not, you wish they were better players. So....be happy with what you have....we are.
Some of the twisted logic on this board makes me laugh. You have some great threads trying to find ways to put down ISU. Funny I don't see these kind of threads regarding your old protected rival....Purdue. Jealousy does tend to encourage creative thinking. ISU will recruit iowa kids if they think they are good enough. Jok would likely be a clone, if it had not been for the lefty Moore debacle. We wanted uthof, but he chose iowa......although that was a done deal from the start. Besides all your noise, i can't figure out, week to week, if you guys like gessel, oglosby and Woodbury or not. Seems like more often than not, you wish they were better players. So....be happy with what you have....we are.
Name one player on iSU's current roster that was kicked off another team....oops.
Nader-Nope left NIU on his own.
BDJ-Nope graduate transfer
McKay- Nope left Marquette on his own
Burton- left on his own
Cooke- Left after a coaching change
So no...it is factually incorrect.
I love iowa fans whining about iSU's transfers. I guess Uthoff never went to Wisconsin, Dickerson never played JUCO, and iowa never recruited and inked Anthony Hubbard. Not to mention all the transfers Fran has recruited but didn't land.
Jok was iSU's until Lefty Moore screwed that up and is a nice player. You can keep Woodbury and Oglesby. Gesell would be nice to give Monte a rest.
As far as Iowa born and raised players....I wish iSU would have landed Barnes and Paige but that is about it.
Nader-Nope left NIU on his own.
BDJ-Nope graduate transfer
McKay- Nope left Marquette on his own
Burton- left on his own
Cooke- Left after a coaching change
So no...it is factually incorrect.
I love iowa fans whining about iSU's transfers. I guess Uthoff never went to Wisconsin, Dickerson never played JUCO, and iowa never recruited and inked Anthony Hubbard. Not to mention all the transfers Fran has recruited but didn't land.
Jok was iSU's until Lefty Moore screwed that up and is a nice player. You can keep Woodbury and Oglesby. Gesell would be nice to give Monte a rest.
As far as Iowa born and raised players....I wish iSU would have landed Barnes and Paige but that is about it.
Re: Iowa high school basketball has not improved at all
An argument could be made for Will Blalock. Blalock actually played in a regular season NBA game whereas Haluska never saw anything other than preseason. And argument could also be made for Stinson.
An argument could be made for Will Blalock. Blalock actually played in a regular season NBA game whereas Haluska never saw anything other than preseason. And argument could also be made for Stinson.
Just a Datapoint:
Ohio State has just 3 Ohio kids on it's roster out of 13.
Ohio population is 11.6 million vs 3 million in Iowa.
Given the population disparity, the state of Iowa has maybe produced it's share of top level recruits, but it should not be surprising the rosters of the 3 major programs do not necessarily feature local kids on a regular basis.
The fact that 3 Div 1 teams from Iowa will be in the tourney and there are enough rabid fans to support all of these programs from a population a 1/4 the size of Ohio is damn impressive.
I remind buckeye fans when they crow about filling the 'Shoe with 110,000+ for a football game, that there are over 3 million people to draw from just within about 40 minutes of that stadium vs filling 2 stadiums (with up to 125-130k total) pulling from that same population across the entire state.
Ohio State has just 3 Ohio kids on it's roster out of 13.
Ohio population is 11.6 million vs 3 million in Iowa.
Given the population disparity, the state of Iowa has maybe produced it's share of top level recruits, but it should not be surprising the rosters of the 3 major programs do not necessarily feature local kids on a regular basis.
The fact that 3 Div 1 teams from Iowa will be in the tourney and there are enough rabid fans to support all of these programs from a population a 1/4 the size of Ohio is damn impressive.
I remind buckeye fans when they crow about filling the 'Shoe with 110,000+ for a football game, that there are over 3 million people to draw from just within about 40 minutes of that stadium vs filling 2 stadiums (with up to 125-130k total) pulling from that same population across the entire state.
Absolutely zero money would be bet on that. Iowa players smoke pot too. It is just when they get caught, the charges tend to stick and the coach isn't shown to have an arrangement with the local law enforcement and neighbors.
Tried sticking up for your team and you still decided to come back at me?
How many iowa players were D1 qualifiers (all of them, including dickerson). How many at ISU? The pool of Jucos Big Ten schools can recruit is not the same as the B12. Ask Gary Anderson who made a downward move to Oregon State from Wisc. He couldn't sign kids academically, a couple of whom reportedly then went to kansas state among other schools.
BDJ was not dismissed from UNLV, his second of 3 schools, but was suspended at the end of his pre-transfer season, unlike program heroes Royce White and DeAndre Kane. Cory Lucious was booted by Izzo.
BDJ was not dismissed from UNLV, his second of 3 schools, but was suspended at the end of his pre-transfer season, unlike program heroes Royce White and DeAndre Kane. Cory Lucious was booted by Izzo.
I find it HILARIOUS that someone would say that there is no defense played at the AAU level. Not only is there defense but you get refs that are there to collect a pay check half the time and nothing more. Run up and down and dont call a damn thing. If a kid does not adjust and adjust quick they will completely disappear. Games may look sometimes like there is not as much defense being played but you have to realize that everybody there playing is a 16-20 ppg player on their home town team and can play. So basically everybody there can play especially at the upper levels. So the fact is everybody can put the ball in the hole, or they are an athletic freak, or they are a foot taller than everybody else. It is truly unreal sometimes how tough some of those games are and there is all kinds of defense being played. not college level sound defense but the effort is there for sure. And Woodbury went head to head and out played Noel and he was known as a defensive guy. So by playing the best most athletic defenders in his class he showed he can play. Everybody in college then is bigger stronger and faster and he has struggled getting there but with more touches i think Woodbury is a 14-15 ppg center next year.
If anything there is not as much scouting done at the AAU level. You will not see as many teams that will try to take each player away from what they do well. Teams worry more about themselves and doing their things well instead of really breaking down tape of other teams like you will see in high school games and college games. Its different for sure but it is incredibly intense and its sink or swim.
If anything there is not as much scouting done at the AAU level. You will not see as many teams that will try to take each player away from what they do well. Teams worry more about themselves and doing their things well instead of really breaking down tape of other teams like you will see in high school games and college games. Its different for sure but it is incredibly intense and its sink or swim.
ISU hasn't gotten a lot of the Iowa kids it has offered, either because they also had offers from a "name" program or because they had Hawkeye leanings. Fred recruited Jok and Uthoff and I think offered Gesell. Hinrich originally committed to ISU before backing out and going to KU. Collison was offered by ISU, as were Barnes (naturally) and Paige.
What Fred has not done is recruit kids who aren't good enough simply because they are from inside the state.
I think what happened with the transfer thing is that Fred knew he needed to do it in his first couple of years -- he inherited only 3 scholarship players -- and it worked out so well that he started hearing from other players. He and ISU got a reputation of being a good place for a second chance, and at this point he seems to have pretty much his pick of the litter.
Dur... I knew that. Brain Fart.Originally posted by LarryMullenJr.:
There's one more; Jordan who is currently a junior.Originally posted by maxstabs13:
So... No one has really answered this.
Iowa State- 2
Daniel Stensland- Walk on from Waverly Shell Rock
Kourtlin Jackson- Walk on from Des Moines... Best dunker on the team.
Iowa- 7
Josh Olgesby- Cedar Rapids. Solid shooter coming out of HS.
Jared Uthoff- Committed to Wisconsin. Transferred to Iowa. Cedar Rapids. Versatile/Athletic 3/4 coming out of HS.
Peter Jok- Des Moines. Highly touted as Top 5 player in the country coming into high school. Repeated knee injuries limited his PT in HS.
Adam Woodbury- Sioux City. Highly touted 7'0 C that made a name for himself on the AAU circuit, which in my opinion is very overrated due to the fact defense is pathetic most of the time in AAU.
Nicholas Baer- Bettendorf. Walk on. Not what I would consider a normal walk on. I don't know who offered him, but he is very much like a Seth Tuttle(Undersized 4 that needs to add strength and quickness. High productivity in high school).
Kyle Denning. Cedar Falls. Walk on. Undersized SG from Northern University in Cedar Falls. He was a solid 1A/2A player in high school.
Okey Ukah- Iowa City. Played two years at Kirkwood CC. Transferred to Iowa as a walk on. Family is from Iowa City, so why not.
Northern Iowa- 11
Seth Tuttle- Sheffield. Played with 2A West Fork. Took them to the State Championship. Undersized PF and not strong coming out of high school, but he was extremely successful at West Fork and showed plenty of skill.
Nate Buss- Charles City. The one player that I know very little about other than Kourtlin Jackson from ISU. He is obviously a shooter. Athletically he isn't good enough for a Major conference.
Wyatt Lohaus- North Liberty. Older of the Lohaus brothers. He was a very solid guard on a loaded ICW team last year.
Jeremy Morgan- Coralville. MVP for a loaded ICW team last year.
Matt Bohannon- Cedar Rapids. The last one I believe? He was a shooter from Linn Mar.
Wes Washpun- Cedar Rapids. Former Tennessee Volunteer who picked them over Iowa. Came back to the state after transferring his freshman season. Explosive hops.
Ted Friedman- Ankeny. He is a undersized C who had a very solid career with 4A Ankeny. I don't view him as a athletically superior post, so he will likely be a back to the basket guy for UNI over the next two seasons. Needs to add some strength.
Klint Carlson- Waverly. He is Seth Tuttle and Nicholas Baer with more muscle. He needs to refine his skills, but athletically he is ahead of Tuttle or Baer as a freshman.
Max Martino- Cedar Rapids. He was a very solid player in high school. His length as a guard was his biggest advantage.
Taylor Olson- Cedar Rapids. He was a big scorer in high school. He could shoot and get to the rim. His size is a hindrance as he is not a PG. He is better suited at SG.
Kasey Semler. Cedar Rapids. I don't know anything on this kid. I don't recall him being a notable player in high school, but I am assuming he was a 4A kid being from Cedar Rapids. If he was Cedar Valley Christian or something I don't know anything about him.
Scholarship playersI think I have this list right, but not for sure)
Oglesby
Uthoff
Jok
Woodbury
Tuttle
Lohaus
Morgan
Buss
Washpun
Bohannon
Carlson
Friedman
Lets not kid ourselves... Iowa is reeling from Marcus Paige to UNC, but content with Todd Lickliter leaving. ISU is reeling from Harrison Barnes to UNC, but content with Hoiberg staying. UNI is reeling from Doug McDermott to Creighton, but they are content with Greg McDermott leaving.
All of them except Dustin Hogue, and he was also offered by Iowa, and Jameel McKay, who went to the same JuCo program.
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