Behind the Curtain: Unbendable Biden vs. breaking-point Dems

[ottumwan in tx]

Pretty sure plenty on the right have called out Trump for years.

You hear what you want. Most do.

Nobody gives a damn about the $34+ trillion as long as their side wins and decides what to spend money they don’t have on.

I am in the long game. When the interest on the debt is more than totally revenue. That day marks the end. This country is in a collision course with the Sun and the Dems and Cons are arguing over a pair of sunglasses.

it's gotta be there right now isn't it? I can only imagine interest payments on trillions. actually I cannot wrap my brain around it

 

[ottumwan in tx]

The suggestion that Hunter Biden is steering things is BS, or the outcry about it is? I really hope it's the former. If it's the latter you shouldn't be surprised that people are taking issue with his involvement. I don't think the First Family should be fair game but at least since my political memory, they have been, for better or for worse. All that being said, Jill's recent behavior isn't doing her any favors.

the media and the bidens have said they have family meetings and jill and hunter are the main two consultants.

I mean, that's the reporting

 

[Huey Grey]

I feel we (Democrat primary voters) were fed a line of bullshit about Biden’s robustness and ability to withstand campaigning.

Agreed. My point is that his primary was like any other primary for a sitting president

 

[ottumwan in tx]

If only there were many clips of Biden being incoherent for all to see leading up to this. Anyone who thought this man was good for another half decade last fall was wishfully thinking.

I’m stunned by how incredibly stupid all these insiders have been here. The debate challenge now seems unthinkable given what his handlers have known.

There is now no clean way for the left to put a proper candidate through the process. They’ll have to railroad their choice in undemocratic fashion and leave a trail of talking points about how they planned this all along. Embarrassing levels of hubris from these people.

the state of the union address was a big clue

 

[Formerly Rockymtnole]

Hindsight is 20/20. Probably should’ve faced a primary challenge. Can’t do anything about that now.

Still time to right the ship but people need to stop making excuses for him and denying what we all know. Is Meghan McCain right here?

 

[ottumwan in tx]

Hindsight is 20/20. Probably should’ve faced a primary challenge. Can’t do anything about that now.

Still time to right the ship but people need to stop making excuses for him and denying what we all know. Is Meghan McCain right here?

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trump supporters are all in despite his flaws. they know them and accept them/ biden supporters are acting like they had no idea, yet biden was out and proud in the public being horrific for 3 years and they turned away. neither scenario says "king" to me

 

[Dr. Spaceman]

Hindsight is 20/20. Probably should’ve faced a primary challenge. Can’t do anything about that now.

Still time to right the ship but people need to stop making excuses for him and denying what we all know. Is Meghan McCain right here?

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No. And her “both sides” attempt is Faulty level quality

 

[Scruddy]

The leaks are going to get worse. Everyone fleeing the administration will milk every penny of value they can out of their inside knowledge. The left hasn't been this fractured in decades. Couldn't happen to more deserving people.

 

[torbee]

Hindsight is 20/20. Probably should’ve faced a primary challenge. Can’t do anything about that now.

Still time to right the ship but people need to stop making excuses for him and denying what we all know. Is Meghan McCain right here?

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She is spot on IMO

Americans deserve to have a competent, boring, straight thinking person in the White House.

And no more Boomers/Silent Gen.

 

[ottumwan in tx]

She is spot on IMO

Americans deserve to have a competent, boring, straight thinking person in the White House.

And no more Boomers/Silent Gen.

yes because AOC , well, she is better to look at...

 

[Dr. Spaceman]

She is spot on IMO

Americans deserve to have a competent, boring, straight thinking person in the White House.

And no more Boomers/Silent Gen.

Great but that doesn’t really have anything to do with what she tweeted

 

[Scruddy]

No. And her “both sides” attempt is Faulty level quality

True, trump for all his faults is not actually retarded like Joe

 

[Scruddy]

Uh oh, far leftist Rob reiner, best known for being a fat midget and a frequent flier to epstein island, is throwing in the towel on sleepy joe. As I said, rats fleeing.

 

[Finance85]

I like that Dems are at least having the conversation and the behind the scenes maneuvering versus bending the knee to a convicted felon rapist with sociopathic and autocratic tendencies who reads and writes at a 4th grade level.

What happened to protecting democracy? Joe won the primaries, right? He's the choice of the voters, right? And if a felon beats Joe in the general election, isn't that also part of having a democracy?

 

[Formerly Rockymtnole]

What happened to protecting democracy? Joe won the primaries, right? He's the choice of the voters, right? And if a felon beats Joe in the general election, isn't that also part of having a democracy?

I know you’re trying to make a point about liberal hypocrisy, but I don’t think anyone is advocating forcing Joe out. This is about trying to convince him to do the right thing and voluntarily step down. I think if he’s determined to go forward he will be the nominee, for better or worse. (Worse IMO)

 

[Tom Paris]

We're now in uncharted, historic waters: President Biden — backed by first lady Jill Biden and his convicted son, Hunter, who's serving as de facto gatekeeper for longtime friends — says that nothing, besides an act of God, will persuade him to quit his re-election campaign.

• But outside Biden's protective bubble, a fast-growing number of Democrats are praying for —and plotting — a more earthly intervention. They want everyone from the Obamas to congressional leaders to beg Biden to drop out by this Friday.

Why it matters: Biden and his Democratic critics share one common passion — the intensity, certainty and irreversibility of their positions. Both plan fierce public and private campaigns to see who buckles.

• It won't be him, Biden says publicly and privately. On a Saturday call with his national campaign co-chairs, Biden sounded full-speed ahead. He vowed to spend more time talking directly to voters, whether at town halls or press conferences.

The big picture: Democratic lawmakers have gone from shock, to sadness, to madness since the debate 10 days ago. These Democrats, further deflated by Biden's high-stakes ABC interview, believe there's nothing he can do to reverse the damage — or his aging.

• "The sh*t is going to hit the fan on Monday, when Congress returns," a House Democrat told us. "People are scared about their own races. But they're also worried about the country, and about democracy."
• Lawmakers were antsy enough about Biden during their Fourth of July break this past week. There'll be even greater torque when they're venting, raging and plotting in person.

"Every single person not named Biden," or paid by the president, recognizes how deep a hole he's in, said a top Democratic operative who's talking nonstop to elected officials.

• David Axelrod, former President Obama's political architect, described Biden's posture in an opinion piece Saturday: "Denial. Delusion. Defiance." Axe said a growing chorus of Democrats is "fearful of an electoral disaster."

A front-page story in Sunday's Washington Post quotes an adviser to major donors as estimating that "for every 10 people who think he should exit, one thinks he should stay." The story says multiple people "publicly vouching for Biden, at the behest of the White House and campaign, privately say there's no path." (Saved ya 2,550 words, 9½ mins.!)

• Biden got a rare bit of encouraging polling news Saturday: The Bloomberg News/Morning Consult tracking poll of battleground states found he now leads Donald Trump in Michigan and Wisconsin. The candidates are statistically tied in Arizona, Georgia, Nevada, and North Carolina. Biden remains behind in must-win Pennsylvania, where he's campaigning Sunday.

Behind the scenes: Lawmakers from all factions of the party tell Axios that big donors and key constituents have grave concerns about Biden's strength.

• The issue is breaking through in Normal America: One swing-state lawmaker told us that a monthly forum back home is usually consumed by community issues. On Saturday, everyone wanted to talk about Biden's age.

State of play: Don't be fooled by the small number of House Democrats who have publicly called for Biden to quit the race. Five out of 213 is minuscule. It's complicated politics to say your sitting president needs to go: If he stays, Biden and voters would never forget.

• But based on Axios reporters' conversations with dozens of House members and senators, it's clear that scores are close to speaking out or signing letters telling Biden it should be over. These conversations will intensify this week.

Zoom in: The next sign of movement on the Hill will come Sunday afternoon when House Democratic Leader Hakeem Jeffries (N.Y.) holds a Zoom with ranking members of committees.

• Sen. Mark Warner (D-Va.), who's organizing a group of Senate Democrats to discuss Biden's future, is pushing to meet Monday evening.

• Everyone's watching Speaker EmeritaNancy Pelosi (D-Calif.), who would have the stature to tell Biden it's over.

Zoom out: Many top Democrats hope Biden will make his move by Friday because of the rush of events that soon will soak up whatever attention Americans will give the news as summer wanes.

• If Biden were to endorse Vice President Harris as the nominee, she'd need time to ramp up and pick a running mate. And if Biden didn't anoint, there'd be a frenzy among governors and ambitious Democrats to try to win the nomination at the Democratic convention in Chicago in mid-August.
• "Every day that goes by is a disaster," the operative said.

🗓️ What's next: Biden plans a Thursday afternoon news conference, as NATO leaders wrap up a three-day summit in Washington. The Western democratic leaders will be experiencing a presidential crisis in real time. Then look at how jammed America's calendar is:

• Over the next eight days, Trump is expected to name his running mate.
• The four-day Republican conventionopens in Milwaukee a week from tomorrow — Monday, July 15.
• Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu addresses a joint session of Congress on July 24.
• The Summer Olympics open in Paris on July 26 and run 17 days, through Aug. 11.
• Then the Democratic convention opens in Chicago on Aug. 19.

Between the lines: Something has to give. Biden believes a strong week at NATO, a powerful performance at Thursday's press conference and private pressure from his allies will quiet the storm.

• His Democratic critics believe rising calls for him to quit, relentless pressure on Hill leaders to join them, and private pressure on Biden will ease — or force — the president out of the race.

The bottom line: Biden holds the power. If he doesn't blink, he'd be daring Democrats to wage a public fight at the convention to undo the will of voters 11 weeks before Election Day. It would tear apart the party, the convention, Biden's legacy. The president believes that in the end, his critics will cave.

• Axios' Andrew Solender and Stephen Neukam contributed reporting.

https://www.axios.com/2024/07/07/biden-democrats-drop-election-campaign

You both sides guys don’t realize you’re not helping the situation at all. You actually help Trump more than Biden.

 

[Tom Paris]

What happened to protecting democracy? Joe won the primaries, right? He's the choice of the voters, right? And if a felon beats Joe in the general election, isn't that also part of having a democracy?

You’re going to vote for the rapist felon. How do you reconcile that with yourself?

 

[hawkeye54545]

I still think the plan is to pardon Hunter that's why he doesn't want to drop out.

It would be the reason Jill and Hunter are so adamant he remains in the race.

 

[Scruddy]

You both sides guys don’t realize you’re not helping the situation at all. You actually help Trump more than Biden.

If that's true it means biden is the worse of the two candidates in the eyes of the voters. Probably the case given biden can't form a coherent sentence atm

 

[Scruddy]

You’re going to vote for the rapist felon. How do you reconcile that with yourself?

You're voting for a rapist yourself. How do you reconcile with that?

 

[MichaelKeller99]

Yeah, it was a dumb, selfish move by Biden and his team. Talk of his mental decline dates back far beyond this year. Nobody worth wanting challenges the incumbent in the primaries. It’s a terrible look for the party and you never win.

Joey dropped out of a presidential race in shame 37 years ago as a self-admitted liar and plagiarist…well before his dementia kicked in.

Dems on here accuse Pubs all the time for looking past Donny’s many faults and weaknesses.

Shoulda taken their own advice.

 

[Scruddy]

Joey dropped out of a presidential race in shame 37 years ago as a self-admitted liar and plagiarist…well before his dementia kicked in.

Dems on here accuse Pubs all the time for looking past Donny’s many faults and weaknesses.

Shoulda taken their own advice.

Take their own advice.. lol as if that'd ever happen.

 

[Joes Place]

We're now in uncharted, historic waters

Why can't Republicans recognize the "uncharted waters" they are in, nominating a twice-impeached and multiply-charged criminal as their "leader"?


Seems like we're focusing on the wrong things here...

 

[binsfeldcyhawk2]

You both sides guys don’t realize you’re not helping the situation at all. You actually help Trump more than Biden.

Seriously?


How do you suggest I “help the situation” Tom?

Should I start saying Joe shouldn’t step aside even though I think he should?

 

[Tom Paris]

Why can't Republicans recognize the "uncharted waters" they are in, nominating a twice-impeached and multiply-charged criminal as their "leader"?


Seems like we're focusing on the wrong things here...

That’s their plan. Misdirection. Constantly and it works.

 

[Scruddy]

Why can't Republicans recognize the "uncharted waters" they are in, nominating a twice-impeached and multiply-charged criminal as their "leader"?


Seems like we're focusing on the wrong things here...

Joe can't form a sentence and has multiple rape accusations against him.

 

[Tom Paris]

Seriously?


How do you suggest I “help the situation” Tom?

Should I start saying Joe shouldn’t step aside even though I think he should?

Please don’t be obtuse about this.

 

[Scruddy]

That’s their plan. Misdirection. Constantly and it works.

That's literally what joes place did in the comment you are quoting lmfao you people have zero self awareness 😂🤣

 

[Joes Place]

Trump can't form a sentence and has multiple rape accusations against him.

And one conviction.

 

[Scruddy]

And one conviction.

We all saw the debate champ.

 

[Joes Place]

How do you suggest I “help the situation” Tom?

Start telling people they need to vote for whomever the candidate is who will keep Trump from being re-elected.

Not all that hard, really.

 

[Chishawk1425]

 

[Formerly Rockymtnole]

Start telling people they need to vote for whomever the candidate is who will keep Trump from being re-elected.

Not all that hard, really.

Ummm….that’s what we’re doing. It just ain’t Joe Biden.

 

[Chishawk1425]

No. And her “both sides” attempt is Faulty level quality

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[Joes Place]

Ummm….that’s what we’re doing.

Sure doesn't seem that way.

I see no other candidates stepping up to take the spot; I see people creating divisive rhetoric to spur on Trump supporters, though.

 

[h-hawk]

You both sides guys don’t realize you’re not helping the situation at all. You actually help Trump more than Biden.

They are trying to save the country-neither candidate is fit. Biden cannot win against trump.

 

[Formerly Rockymtnole]

Sure doesn't seem that way.

I see no other candidates stepping up to take the spot; I see people creating divisive rhetoric to spur on Trump supporters, though.

Nobody wants to challenge Joe until he is ready to step aside. Nobody who is objective believes he can do the job for four more years. Nobody.

He needs to step aside and there will be a number of potential candidates .

 

[Finance85]

I know you’re trying to make a point about liberal hypocrisy, but I don’t think anyone is advocating forcing Joe out. This is about trying to convince him to do the right thing and voluntarily step down. I think if he’s determined to go forward he will be the nominee, for better or worse. (Worse IMO)

Nice rationalization. Not trying to force Joe out? Really? What's the difference between trying to force him out and trying to get him to do the right thing by stepping down? Either is going against the will of the people who voted for him in the primaries.

 

[Finance85]

You’re going to vote for the rapist felon. How do you reconcile that with yourself?

I'm on record in many posts on whom I'm voting for, and it's not Trump.

Why do you continue to lie all the time?

 

[Formerly Rockymtnole]

Nice rationalization. Not trying to force Joe out? Really? What's the difference between trying to force him out and trying to get him to do the right thing by stepping down? Either is going against the will of the people who voted for him in the primaries.

A candidate is not free to step away due to health concerns? Or any reason whatsoever?