Bench Payton & Dix
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Yeah, I'm 5ft10in and once had 16 rebounds in a HS game. Effort
Still hyping on Mulvey huh? Guess your offseason sources & your predictions on him getting significant back up minutes aren't coming close to being true.
USC guards are probably the biggest & most physical tandem in Big10. Zone definitely could have helped, but that's onlly shown to be effective against Indiana. Other teams haven't had a problem finding open shots. Should be playing Traore more to help on these bigger guards. Yes, I will say it.... Traore in place of Brock would've been a much better defensive lineup.
LOL. Don’t like per 40? Okay PM had a total of 86 rebounds last year and Dix had 77. I’m simply pointing out the inaccuracy of your “if PM had the rebound numbers of Dix they would build a statue of him”.
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On what basis? Anyone can execute a box out. If you do that, you don’t have to be taller or more athletic than your man to get the rebound or at least keep him away so that one of your teammates can get it. Basketball 101.
Stop building a strawman, or a statue. I’m not comparing what Dix did last year. Dix, somehow as a guard, is averaging more rebounds than PMac averaged per game last year. No need to build that statue unless we want to remind us of the sweet sixteen drought that has extended a quarter century, then by all means continue!
Dix makes the effort and is an excellent defender. Harding is the weakest link on the perimeter.
Josh, Pryce, and Payton can work on establishing position and different box out drills until the cows come home and they aren’t keeping guys like Reggie Evans from moving them under the basket or out of the way to get the board.
Dix was strangely passive in the USC game. Guessing he wasn't 100%. To suggest that we need to bench Josh might be the dumbest suggestion I have read on this board. Dix regularly defends the other team's best perimeter player, and without that, we are left with only Thelwell effectively playing defense on the perimeter. Because he is defending the other team's best guard, Josh is often not close to the basket on defense. On offense, he also is often spotting up for 3s, away from the basket. I would love to see Josh look for his shot more, because he can create and score in mid-range or at the basket, as well as shoot 3s.
If anyone should get fewer minutes, I think it is the Sandfort bro's, who are awful on the defensive end. Watch how often their man gets by them for easy shots at the basket. Other coaches, obviously know that, and they also know that Harding can't guard, if you can take him near the basket. The Sandforts are both important, because of their ability to score in waves, but if Traore ever gets his act together (so far he hasn't), he should take minutes from them. I am encouraged that Freeman has started to be a lot more active around both baskets, but you're right rebounding has to improve.
If anyone should get fewer minutes, I think it is the Sandfort bro's, who are awful on the defensive end. Watch how often their man gets by them for easy shots at the basket. Other coaches, obviously know that, and they also know that Harding can't guard, if you can take him near the basket. The Sandforts are both important, because of their ability to score in waves, but if Traore ever gets his act together (so far he hasn't), he should take minutes from them. I am encouraged that Freeman has started to be a lot more active around both baskets, but you're right rebounding has to improve.
It does seem like Fran is at least trying to remedy that with some of the guys he's recruiting now. Fran has an eye for talent, he just doesn't close most the time on the recruitment. I also think Koch would be a help at the 4 if he could actually stay on the active roster.
First of all, Traore is not ready to play extended minutes, he's just not, he fouls way too much on defense and his offensive game is dismal.
Second of all, think about this, which assistant had the game scout? If you guessed Matt Gatens you would be correct....as an assistant that is designated to scout the game he is suppose to watch numerous games of USC and devise a plan so the team has a legitimate chance to win that game.
It was widely known that USC was a driving team and was not a very good 3 point shooting team, their players were in the 6-5 to 6-8 range, relatively big, strong, and athletic.
If that was the case, why in hell would Gaten's recommend a smaller Iowa come out in a man to man defense against a team that is athletic and likes to take their opponent to the rim, and that's exactly what they did.
If Gaten's thought is was a good idea for Iowa to play a man to man against USC and Fran agreed with his assessment that doesn't say much for Gaten's coaching abilities or Frans and if Matt every gets the chance to become a head coach, stay away from Iowa. Horrible decision...
He absolutely should be playing more minutes. He should be taking a combination of Brock & Pryce's minutes for defensive & rebounding purposes alone. He's the most athletic player on the team & has the size & strength to defend multiple positions. Traore, Thelwell & Dix are our best perimeter defenders and should have more time together on the court. He was injured earlier and should be in game shape by now. Fran needs to play the thoroughbred. And Iowa wouldn't give up much in scoring. Take a poll on here if you don't believe me. Your boy would still get his 20 minutes per game.
Reasonable explanation on Dix, but he had a terrible game and he only got 2 rebounds in 32 minutes. His defense was also nonexistent. That's just poor effort and him being a junior he should be a leader on this team now. I'd agree that benching him is much less justified than benching Payton.
People who put Pryce in the same defensive category as Payton don't watch him play defense. He has good fundamentals and is a little better athlete. Agree with the rest of what you say.
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No one like Evans plays for USC or most other teams. They all are capable of boxing out Trojans, especially the Sandforts.
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They seem to be picking up steam. They dominated us. Bigger, taller, quicker, and shot lights out.
Teams that are comprised of all new players can improve throughout the season.
They beat the Illini in Champaign.
I think they will compete for tourney bid....not mediocre.
Close, central Iowa small 1A school in the 70's. Only 30 kids in my graduating class. And the tallest player on my team was 6ft tall so everyone had to hit the boards.
It seems to me that Refs are allowing over the back rebounds, so the taller/bouncier guys are getting rebounds over Iowa's
lineup even when they do box out.. Harding/Payton have gotten fouls for undercutting on box outs. When there is a scrum under
the basket, I see Freeman battling and 2-3 opponents, and no one else from Iowa is able to compete.
When I look at Iowa players like Dix, Sandforts, Harding I see athletes with twig arms, twig legs, mostly below the rim players and; they also seem to be more interested on running out for the cherry pick basket than getting the rebound.
The rebounding would be improved immediately by going to a bigger lineup instead of the 4G lineup with Harding+Trelwell. Trelwell at 6'3 and upperclassman is upgrade over Harding on boards/defense. No doubt Harding is magician on making the offense move, but really a weak point on defense. The you throw in Sandfort as another weak link and it is hard to cover for 2 guys that are getting beat.
Sounded like the coach brought in an entirely new team and yeah, takes longer for them to come together.
I doubt they can shoot 10-15 from 3pt line very often, but individually they are hard to contain on defense/off the boards.
Their weakness was center position....Freeman was 11/14 from the field.
The only reason they beat Illinois was because Illinois was missing their stud point guard. Everyone seems to forget that.
True, but it’s still damn hard to win in Champaign
When I watch Pryce, he spends a lot of time trailing the guy he was supposed to be guarding, just like Payton. That is part of the reason Payton gets a lot of rebounds. He is following his man to the basket. They are who they are, and Iowa needs production from both, especially Payton. Figuring out how to match them up against opponents with little ability to drive might be the key. Opposing coaches are targeting the Sandforts and Harding (near the basket) in set plays, because they know they aren't good defenders.
I agree. Bench the whole team and start tanking for a better draft pick.
The Hawks have had guys that weren't the tallest or most athletic, yet excelled at rebounding. Greg Brunner was undersized (6'6") at the 4, but averaged over 8 rpg his last three seasons (9.2 as a senior). Kevin Boyle was a skinny 6'6" who played both forward positions, but was a consistently good rebounder and even got 19 in one game his freshman year going up against Kevin McHale and several other Gophers who were 6'10". Boyle was also a great defender.
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He had more want-to than anybody on the Hawkeyes right now regarding rebounding. It wasn’t like he was bigger or more athletic than the opponents.
Gotta get better Jimmies and Joes
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Reggie was way Stronger/thicker than Payton, Pryce, Josh Dix. I agree our guys could be tougher and put more effort in, but they
also need to put more effort in the weight room.
Iowa is a a definite disadvanted in Size, strength, athleticism, desire on rebounding with the lineups Fran is putting out there.
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