The fumble was a fumble. The INT was an incomplete pass. Holding calls are bad/missed in every game.
BF goes after the replay officals
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I disagree. He had quite a few defenders holding him up. Play was over. There is always a delay from when the play is over and the whistle blows, you can't go by that on a forward progress play. None of the officials stepped up and made that judgement call even though everyone had basically stopped on the play.
I can see why it was overturned... but i don't think it should have been reviewable in the first place.
Holding calls are always a hot topic of discussion. They're a major penalty, being 10 yds, and like many say, a ref could call holding on pretty much every play.
I really wish that the refs would reserve holding calls for blatant violations that clearly result in a change in the play itself (preventing a sack, creating a gaping hole for the RB, etc). Those calls made by refs 20 yards away because they could see a hand holding a jersey as the OL is pancaking his man on the opposite side of the field from where the play is happening need to stop.
I really wish that the refs would reserve holding calls for blatant violations that clearly result in a change in the play itself (preventing a sack, creating a gaping hole for the RB, etc). Those calls made by refs 20 yards away because they could see a hand holding a jersey as the OL is pancaking his man on the opposite side of the field from where the play is happening need to stop.
I can see the point of view where a ref could have ruled it unreviewable, but if that had happened we would have gotten away with a fumble.
This is correct on all counts.
Iowa is clearly a "momentum" team with their offensive drives, meaning once they get rolling they can be difficult to stop. I was getting annoyed when announcers would say that Hawks only had two good drives (beginning of each half) and the rest were just plain bad.
The reality was that Iowa was on the cusp of putting together quite a few good drives. Unfortunately, 3 BS calls and 2 turnovers nullified those drives or potential drives.
Think of it like this... the play clock is at 1. Team yells timeout, the play clock goes to zero before the ref blows the whistle. Does the team get awarded the timeout? Of course they do.
There's effective ways to get what you want out of people and ineffective ways. Screaming is an ineffective way - BF is a tool that's clearly not mature enough for the position he's been given by daddy
The refs certainly left a lot to be desired, but just read through this thread. Half the people saying their sure they saw one thing, and the other half saying the first half are blind or stupid. Not an easy job in real time. It is a problem though I think when they review calls in slow motion and still frame, and still don't get the calls correct.
On field, they signal play end /end of forward progress by blowing whistle.
I agree, Real time I thought they had blown whistle well before ball came out. However, in the replay they sound the whistle blowing after the fumble. I'm not sure he replay microphone picked up all the whistle's that may have blown.
I think the fumble was really a product of playing a guy with cast on his arm + Minny holding him up and stripping the ball and late whistle because I think he'd given himself up and was suspended.
I'm in the camp I'd rather see a young guy go off than a politician. We got KF the politician.
I still think they are too predictable and it is on staff to get a better running game. I also think, some of BF's good calls were wiped out by phantom holds, dropped balls, fumbled balls.
In that situation, He's not going to get his way being nice or being ass because call was already made.
In my experience, sometimes when people lose it and behave like an ass they get better service because the people helping you don't want to have to deal with the aggravation. It is the squeaky wheel gets the oil saying.
It’s an issue bc it rarely happens in the press box (this is a first in 20 years at kinnick) and he did it in proximity where all of the news reporters could hear it. Hawks sputtering + OC outburst = juicy story.
Umpired traveling league and little league to make some cash one summer. Never again. Not wasting my evenings to be screamed at about the dumbest shit.
glad he got on the replay official at least that should better than KF just scribbling in his notepad that so many on here bellyache about as not being not being fired up about,
either you want a coach just to stand there and scribble or you want a coach that is going to yell at a official rather than his players, to me BF is standing up for his players that will get more support from the players vs throwing them under the bus or not doing anything.
let the media talk as hopefully the Director of Officials will get involved and finds out why a coach in the coaches box got so upset.
either you want a coach just to stand there and scribble or you want a coach that is going to yell at a official rather than his players, to me BF is standing up for his players that will get more support from the players vs throwing them under the bus or not doing anything.
let the media talk as hopefully the Director of Officials will get involved and finds out why a coach in the coaches box got so upset.
You're right, because a team calling a timeout in between plays is exactly the same as a ref determining when a live play is completed.
Thanks for admitting I'm right. It is the same - the play happens, then the whistle blows - it isn't instantaneous. There is a delay, so the whistle timing shouldn't be used in a replay situation.
Just because you think the whistle is meaningless, or think it should be, doesn't mean that it is.
#1 you shouldn't be playing poorly enough that you have to overcome officiating. When you play an average team at best, and leave it in the officials hands, it's your own fault.
#2 you can't have it both ways!! Everyone waving to the kids at the end of the first quarter (good behavior) and BF blowing up a blue streak the likes of which they haven't seen or heard in 20 years in the press box (poor behavior)...so you are proud of both? What if your kids were visiting up in the press box? How about if one of those sick kids were given a pass to watch the game from the press box? Bo Pelini was crazy, but BF is a great representative of this University? Give me a break.....
#2 you can't have it both ways!! Everyone waving to the kids at the end of the first quarter (good behavior) and BF blowing up a blue streak the likes of which they haven't seen or heard in 20 years in the press box (poor behavior)...so you are proud of both? What if your kids were visiting up in the press box? How about if one of those sick kids were given a pass to watch the game from the press box? Bo Pelini was crazy, but BF is a great representative of this University? Give me a break.....
You clearly have an agenda against anyone with the last name Ferentz, so your opinion isn't worth a damn. Go cheer for the Clones, I hear they have the best coach and Oline coach in the country. I don't believe they ever swear either. Should be perfect fit for you. Goodbye...
Junior has shown he is different than his father Eliza Doolittle. Remember how he called out Minnesota and Nebraska last summer? Kirk is the anti-Hayden Fry. JHF said the first person he saw smiling after a loss would get a punch in the mouth. KF's philosophy is you're supposed to forget a loss right after it happens. JHF wanted his players to hold onto the feeling of stinging disappointment and let it motivate them for the next game. KF has never understood how to use emotion to elevate his team. Witness his results against Northwestern and Iowa State for proof.
I don’t like the fact that several people can hold a runner up (who is for all intents and purposes stopped), while another player is trying to pull the ball out of his arms. That isn’t a “fumble” in my book, and should not be allowed.
It definitely was a fumble, and definitely was not an interception.
Look....I never said one way or the other whether the play in question in this thread was correctly ruled a fumble or not. I was at the game and the replays they showed did not appear to be conclusive one way or the other. I am only saying I have never liked the fact that players can hold up the ballcarrier....stopping his progress...while another is trying to pull the ball out of his arms. I don’t consider that a fumble, and do not think it should be allowed...be it high school, college or pros.
Please try to keep up.
Oh, and by the way......your team lost.
Minnesota was holding Butler up as another guy comes over and rips the ball out. Butler’s forward progress was stopped and he was being drug forward by Minnesota.
It was a horrible call / overturn.
Let's be fair. You are clearly comparing apples to oranges (the kind orchestrated gesture of thousands of fans vs. a single outburst by one coach in what essentially is regarded as his work space). And no, members of the general public are not allowed in the area of the press box where the coaches and media are.
KF has already objected to BF's behavior publicly, so there is certain to be some sort of behind the scenes reprimand. To say that Iowa fans are "proud" of BF's rant isn't really accurate. However, I think many are refreshed to see some sort of outward emotion from a coaching staff that has continually been criticized for showing none.
Butler’s forward progress was stopped and you can see him clearly trying to go to the ground. He’s jerking himself down. Butler was being held up by Minn as others ripped the ball out.
It was a horrible call.
OT - You think the fumble call was a bad overturn by the officials? Watch some highlights tonight and see the Bears receiver get absolutely hosed on an amazing TD catch.
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Some of the comments in this thread are truly incredible and a prime example of why "eye witnesses" are highly unreliable. I guess it's also why if you put a picture of a black shoe on the Internet some people will swear it's white. Crazy stuff.
To review: It was NOT a fumble. It was NOT an interception. And NO, those were NOT holds. Try to spin it if you will, but if you disagree, well, black is NOT white no matter what you say.
To review: It was NOT a fumble. It was NOT an interception. And NO, those were NOT holds. Try to spin it if you will, but if you disagree, well, black is NOT white no matter what you say.
Good Lord! I simply wanted to point out an extremely questionable ref overturn in an NFL game today, in a thread in which that is the subject. I even said "receiver" to indicate it was the guy catching the ball. I'm so sorry I'm not familiar enough with the Bears roster to see that it was officially a TE not a WR.
Too many of you just get off too much on being "right."
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Again this is a shift away from the status quo and I'm all for it. Teams tend to take an identity of the leader and "fire" is something we need some more of. He'll I would settle for a little "loose cannon" right now. Iowa is anything but a "loose cannon" and it may make us a little less predictable.
