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Bidenomics

Is Bidenomics a smart or stupid move by the administration


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I am quite sure that a lot of the new jobs are government jobs. (We know that the IRS has a budget calling for hiring another 87,000 people for example ... and even the revised final draft of the budget called for in across the board increases in staffing.)

I suspect that the high paying Wall Street jobs, and the marketing/coding/software design jobs in Silicon Valley are fewer than in years past. I keep reading that the new jobs are largely in the hospitality industry .. i.e. hotels, restaurants, bars and travel businesses. So, if I am a new graduate from a state university, I am more likely going into a Hertz training program than into the Chase Investment Bank.

I do not think these new jobs pay as well as do the jobs that Twitter or Tesla cancelled.

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I am surmising here so feel free to prove me wrong.
Well, he was talking about the increase in jobs that do not require a college degree and the manufacturing sector. So, while they aren't super high paying jobs, in a lot of ways jobs for people without degrees is an area we really needed to increase the numbers of them. I don't have any hard data either, though.
 
I cannot imagine what those indicators might be. Improving prosperity is kind of a biggie. It seems to lead to longevity, better health care, and all kinds of things that pass as good things.

And the data does indeed back it up. Why don't you google Arthur Laffer, the man himself and glance over his charts that show all of the inflection points going back a hundred years or so. They are consistent in showing that lower taxes spur growth and higher taxes stunt growth.
LOL - your premise is as simplistic as the Laffer Curve.
 
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I am quite sure that a lot of the new jobs are government jobs. (We know that the IRS has a budget calling for hiring another 87,000 people for example ... and even the revised final draft of the budget called for in across the board increases in staffing.)

I suspect that the high paying Wall Street jobs, and the marketing/coding/software design jobs in Silicon Valley are fewer than in years past. I keep reading that the new jobs are largely in the hospitality industry .. i.e. hotels, restaurants, bars and travel businesses. So, if I am a new graduate from a state university, I am more likely going into a Hertz training program than into the Chase Investment Bank.

I do not think these new jobs pay as well as do the jobs that Twitter or Tesla cancelled.

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I am surmising here so feel free to prove me wrong.
87,000 people over 10 years. That's not additional people either - many, if not most, will replace retirees and others moving on from the IRS.

Companies besides Tesla and Twitter and other big name organizations are desperate for that kind of skill and will pay as much, or better to acquire it in the current market. Those being laid off are not having a hard time finding new work. Graduates with degrees that are in demand have jobs set up months in advance.
 
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87,000 people over 10 years. That's not additional people either - many, if not most, will replace retirees and others moving on from the IRS.

Companies besides Tesla and Twitter and other big name organizations are desperate for that kind of skill and will pay as much, or better to acquire it in the current market. Those being laid off are not having a hard time finding new work. Graduates with degrees that are in demand have jobs set up months in advance.
The fact that guys like @Titus Andronicus continues to bring up the IRS thing just shows how dumb people like him are. So my company just got audited. 9 month process over which they then sent an email saying we had done everything right and owed nothing. The lady on the case was 64 years old and said the reason it was taking so long is because she had 32 other cases. Our local IRS office here is actually closed right now and she's working from home. The current people are overworked and way way understaffed. While I have no sympathy for the IRS they clearly aren't "weaponizing " like the dumb F's from the Republican party like to post. As you stated Riley this is a 10 year process and they are clearly having a hard time hiring agents.
 
I don't know what those numbers mean together or how you got them. I'm sure these aren't made up things but it does seem like you are making a different argument than the one the Biden administration is making.

One thing is for sure, for an economy with, according to your numbers, negative growth, there sure are a lot of jobs being created.

In my response I had suggested that increased government spending is picking up the slack... creating an illusion that things are good and getting better, when in fact they are getting worse. Upon review I am dissatisfied with my comments. I take note that my primary point transitioned into a somewhat irrelevant critique of one agency: The IRS.

Here is an article from an international economist named Daniel Lacalle that makes my point from a more theoretical perspective and is far more coherent than were my ad hoc remarks.

I have taken the liberty of highlighting certain key sentences that I felt were specifically relevant.
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Money Supply Slump Spells Private Sector Recession​

25 June, 2023

Allow me to explain why we have not seen a recession yet despite the collapse in base money supply. We are witnessing the stealth nationalization of the economy. What does this mean? The entire burden of the monetary collapse and rate hikes is falling on the shoulders of families and small businesses, while large corporations and governments are virtually unaffected.

Thus, when an agent like the state, which weighs 40 to 60 percent of GDP in most economies, continues to consume wealth and spend, gross domestic product does not show a recession even though consumption and private investment in real terms is declining. Bloated government spending is disguising a private sector recession and the decline in real disposable income, real wages, and margins of SMEs (small and medium enterprises). Furthermore, the accidental and exogenous factor of widespread weaker commodities is boosting the external contribution of gross domestic product.

These are the main reasons why we are living in the middle of a recession and destruction of private wealth and wages, but the official data does not reflect it. As government weight in the economy rises faster, technical recessions may not appear in the official data, but citizens suffer it, nevertheless. The reader may think that this is good news because the spending of governments goes straight to the citizens via social spending. However, there is nothing that the state provides that it does not take away from the private sector now or in the future -deficit spending now means higher taxes and lower real wages afterwards-. Therefore, the flipside of “no official recession yet” is “more public debt now and after”.

The rapid decline in global money supply is staggering, at -3,4% at the end of the first quarter according to Longview. Meanwhile, in the United States, money supply is also contracting at the fastest pace since the great recession. Consider that, in the same period, government indebtedness at a global level is up 3% and United States borrowing has also risen faster than real GDP, according to the IIF. And those deficits are financed even if the cost is higher. Governments do not care about rising borrowing costs, because you pay for it.

This all basically means a drain of liquidity for the private sector will continue for a prolonged period. Central banks scratch their heads wondering why inflation remains persistent despite the complete reversal of the supply chain disruptions and the roundtrip of the international prices of commodities, so they keep hiking rates which have a direct negative impact on families and SMEs. Large corporations have no significant problem with higher rates, as they can access credit without any problem, finance themselves at better rates than many sovereigns and most are swimming in cash after years of prudent balance sheet management. Some may go bust, but this is not a monetary tightening that will affect the mega caps in most cases.

So why does inflation, especially core CPI, not react faster to rate hikes? Because the largest economic agent in the economy does not care and is not reducing its imbalances. Bloated governments are consuming even more units of newly created money and that is why aggregate prices fail to reflect the price contraction of external factors like freight or energy. Furthermore, as we have seen in the gross domestic product figures of many European nations, the rents components of GDP show a massive increase in the tax rents side, while gross added value of businesses and the gross wage component remains below pre-pandemic levels. Congratulations, you wanted socialism, this is socialism: Lower real wages, lower real disposable income, and lower real savings.

With the current slump in money supply, inflation should be half what it is now, and this is even considering the tweaks in the official calculation of CPI. However, money velocity is not declining because state consumption of newly created currency units is rising despite poor real private consumption and investment. If we think of the quantitative theory of money, this may be the first private-only recession because money supply declines and money velocity growth coming from the public sector offsets it.

The money supply slump and rate hike path so far are destroying the backbone of the economy, families, and small businesses. Normalization of monetary policy without normalization of government spending and deficits is the recipe for stagnation.

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Again, the private sector sure is complaining about not being able to find good employees a lot for government spending. I'm not convinced that article is painting an accurate picture of the economy. And even if it is, so your argument is you want people to not have jobs? You want the economy to show the numbers you wish the economy would be showing? No amount of wishing is ever going to make trickle down economics actually work. We've tried it 3 times and have gotten the same results every single time. Massive deficits and huge recessions that the next Democrat ends up spending their entire term trying to fix.
 
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Remember 4 years ago when presidents didn't have any real effect on the economy? Pepperidge Farms remembers.
 
Anyone who lived through Jimmy Carter’s stagflation really appreciated Reagonomics…

Carter was left with a shit show. He inherited a society staggered by the Vietnam residuals. We were just a few years removed from kids on campus being shot by National Guardsmen. Nixon‘s meltdown followed by a place holder continued the growing divide between generations. The rise of OPEC put a massive strain on society as fuel costs doubled “overnight”. Trust in institutions and corporations cratered.
 
Carter was left with a shit show. He inherited a society staggered by the Vietnam residuals. We were just a few years removed from kids on campus being shot by National Guardsmen. Nixon‘s meltdown followed by a place holder continued the growing divide between generations. The rise of OPEC put a massive strain on society as fuel costs doubled “overnight”. Trust in institutions and corporations cratered.
He also appointed Paul Volcker who was the architect that brought inflation under control.
 
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Politically....labeling this and owning the economy is risky in my opinion. If things go south in the next 16 months every R attack ad will be using this label. Smart or stupid?

Politically stupid IMO


Move over, Reaganomics. President Joe Biden is attempting to usher in the era of “Bidenomics

This economic theory – which rejects the idea of “trickle-down” policies in favor of focusing on the middle class – will be a centerpiece of Biden’s 2024 reelection campaign. The president will highlight the achievements he’s attributing to Bidenomics in a major speech in Chicago on Wednesday.

Trickle-down economics, which was at the heart of President Ronald Reagan’s policies and continues to be the guiding light of Republican lawmakers, typically revolves around tax cuts for the wealthy and large companies. Supporters say the benefits flow down to middle-class and working Americans, boosting economic growth more broadly. But many experts dispute this effectiveness of this practice at lifting all boats.



I respectfully disagree with the the description of Bidenomics.

Bidenomics is laws passed at Federal level encouraging investment spending on targeted segments of the econ like semiconductors and roads.

It goes against WTO trade policies.

I am an old school Republican who believes in increasing investment by increasing savings by balancing the budget but I am in the minority.

Somebody forget to mention that the #1 Trickle Down Spending policy was Quantitative Easing by the Federal Reserve to the tune of $9 Trillion. That was a hell of a lot more than Reagan or Trump's policies of Trickle Down economics.

I actually like Bidenomics and say screw the WTO. I think the US should drop out of the WTO.
 
Well...things are looking good on the Bidenomics front....

Still think folks are counting the chickens before they're hatched. Reopened the voting for the chickenshits that didn't want to go on record.
 
Well...things are looking good on the Bidenomics front....

Still think folks are counting the chickens before they're hatched. Reopened the voting for the chickenshits that didn't want to go on record.
When it comes to economics, presidents get way too much credit and too much blame. One thing that can be said is that things overall, particularly inflation, jobs, and economic output are in a Goldilocks phase. The only thing that can derail this is an overly aggressive fed. I'd feel way better if they paused but it looks like strong economic results will be interpreted as a green light even the last inflation reading came in at 2.9%. This 2% crusade could still take us down if too aggressive. Personally I'd like to see rates sit and work done on the fiscal side.
 
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When it comes to economics, presidents get way too much credit and too much blame. One thing that can be said is that things overall, particularly inflation, jobs, and economic output are in a Goldilocks phase. The only thing that can derail this is an overly aggressive fed. I'd feel way better if they paused but it looks like strong economic results will be interpreted as a green light even the last inflation reading came in at 2.9%. This 2% crusade could still take us down if too aggressive. Personally I'd like to see rates sit and work done on the fiscal side.
I think things are going as well as could have been expected. Unfortunately raising interest rates has lagging ramifications....

Tooting their horns now will look a little differently when growth is less than 1% in 2024....(most projections I've seen)

The success is achieving a soft landing...I think the administration is overselling things. From a political perspective....
 
I think things are going as well as could have been expected. Unfortunately raising interest rates has lagging ramifications....

Tooting their horns now will look a little differently when growth is less than 1% in 2024....(most projections I've seen)

The success is achieving a soft landing...I think the administration is overselling things. From a political perspective....
That's why I'd prefer a pause. What's become a safe bet is a soft landing assuming status quo. U.S. looking great compared to much of the world today.

We don't need higher rates. We need smaller deficits. This is why I'm seeking the presidency.
 
What did most projections you saw say this summer was going to look like? Economic collapse has been right around the corner for longer than economic collapses actually last.
Most predicted recession.

I just think they should have focused their message more on avoiding recession as the success....

Just think they're projecting a rosier picture than is politically wise....

Just a opinion from a political perspective.

Did they give you valium?
 
Most predicted recession.

I just think they should have focused their message more on avoiding recession as the success....

Just think they're projecting a rosier picture than is politically wise....

Just a opinion from a political perspective.

Did they give you valium?
Haha, not yet. In Uber on the way there now.
 
The super PAC backing President Biden is launching a joint $13 million national advertising campaign with a progressive climate group to convince voters that Bidenomics is working for them.

Why it matters: After a summer of selling his economic and environmental packages, team Biden knows that it has more work to do to convince a skeptical public that the economy is in good shape.

  • The ad buy — focused on swing states and key demographics — will complement the official Biden campaign's plan to use the NFL season opener Thursday to launch its $25 million fall campaign.
  • Even with robust job growth, the public remains unconvinced about Biden's economic record, with 58% of voters saying the economy has gotten worse over the past two years, according to a Wall Street Journal survey released this week.
Between the lines: The double-barreled approach — from the Biden campaign and allied groups — reveals an inherent advantage the incumbent president has at this stage of the campaign cycle.

  • Biden and his allies can go on offensewhile Republicans are mostly knifing each other — or, in the case of Trump, paying legal bills.
  • Trump's leadership PAC, Save America, spent more than $36 million on legal fees for Trump's aides and his associates between Jan. 1 of 2021 and June 30 of this year, the Wall Street Journal reported from FEC data.
Driving the news: Future Forward USA Action, a super PAC for Biden, and Climate Power, a progressive environmental group, are spending the $13 million on a combination of broadcast, cable and digital advertising.

 
The super PAC backing President Biden is launching a joint $13 million national advertising campaign with a progressive climate group to convince voters that Bidenomics is working for them.

Why it matters: After a summer of selling his economic and environmental packages, team Biden knows that it has more work to do to convince a skeptical public that the economy is in good shape.

  • The ad buy — focused on swing states and key demographics — will complement the official Biden campaign's plan to use the NFL season opener Thursday to launch its $25 million fall campaign.
  • Even with robust job growth, the public remains unconvinced about Biden's economic record, with 58% of voters saying the economy has gotten worse over the past two years, according to a Wall Street Journal survey released this week.
Between the lines: The double-barreled approach — from the Biden campaign and allied groups — reveals an inherent advantage the incumbent president has at this stage of the campaign cycle.

  • Biden and his allies can go on offensewhile Republicans are mostly knifing each other — or, in the case of Trump, paying legal bills.
  • Trump's leadership PAC, Save America, spent more than $36 million on legal fees for Trump's aides and his associates between Jan. 1 of 2021 and June 30 of this year, the Wall Street Journal reported from FEC data.
Driving the news: Future Forward USA Action, a super PAC for Biden, and Climate Power, a progressive environmental group, are spending the $13 million on a combination of broadcast, cable and digital advertising.

You voted trump
 
The super PAC backing President Biden is launching a joint $13 million national advertising campaign with a progressive climate group to convince voters that Bidenomics is working for them.

Why it matters: After a summer of selling his economic and environmental packages, team Biden knows that it has more work to do to convince a skeptical public that the economy is in good shape.

  • The ad buy — focused on swing states and key demographics — will complement the official Biden campaign's plan to use the NFL season opener Thursday to launch its $25 million fall campaign.
  • Even with robust job growth, the public remains unconvinced about Biden's economic record, with 58% of voters saying the economy has gotten worse over the past two years, according to a Wall Street Journal survey released this week.
Between the lines: The double-barreled approach — from the Biden campaign and allied groups — reveals an inherent advantage the incumbent president has at this stage of the campaign cycle.

  • Biden and his allies can go on offensewhile Republicans are mostly knifing each other — or, in the case of Trump, paying legal bills.
  • Trump's leadership PAC, Save America, spent more than $36 million on legal fees for Trump's aides and his associates between Jan. 1 of 2021 and June 30 of this year, the Wall Street Journal reported from FEC data.
Driving the news: Future Forward USA Action, a super PAC for Biden, and Climate Power, a progressive environmental group, are spending the $13 million on a combination of broadcast, cable and digital advertising.

Smart thing to do. He hasn’t been getting the credit he deserves.
 
Smart thing to do. He hasn’t been getting the credit he deserves.
Inflation makes any sell on the economy tough for right or wrong. It’s tangible and felt by everyone…unlike unemployment numbers or GDP. Not much personal effect on the vast majority of people if unemployment goes up a couple percentage points or gdp goes down a bit….

I think inflation left a lasting mark…and it’s still above optimal levels
 
Inflation makes any sell on the economy tough for right or wrong. It’s tangible and felt by everyone…unlike unemployment numbers or GDP. Not much personal effect on the vast majority of people if unemployment goes up a couple percentage points or gdp goes down a bit….

I think inflation left a lasting mark…and it’s still above optimal levels
Smart people know it’s continuing to edge down.

Are voters smart? We will find out.
 
Smart thing to do. He hasn’t been getting the credit he deserves.
Clinton, LBJ and Biden are the 3 best Presidents for economics for the middle class in my lifetime. Not even close. Republicans = bad times for Main Street America but good times for Corporate America. The “middle class” has very little contact with Wall Street.
 
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