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But the rub is, ISU has a much easier path to the playoff than Iowa.
I think it will end up like basketball where there are one-bid leagues and other conferences that are multi-bid leagues.

In basketball, you could say UNI has an easier path to an auto-bid to the tourney, but nobody wants to trade places with them.
 
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Huh? That will be a one bid league. They’ll have to win it for the first time in 110 years, and maybe have to go undefeated.
Yes it will be a one bid league. But how many bids will the new Big Ten need in a given year for Iowa to get in?

Iowa state needs to beat a bunch of teams not named Texas and Oklahoma and they are in.
 
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The Big 10 West already makes significantly more than other conferences/divisions, why is it still bad?
Ohio State and the thirteen dwarfs. What the Big 10 has, that equates to football dollars, is a huge population left over from the massive growth during the industrial/manufacturing years - now long gone. The money won't mean anything until you can get the recruits, most of which are in a band from Texas across the South into Georgia and Florida, and they want to play in the South, not in the tundra. Evidence...since 2000 the SEC has won the National Championship 15 times (including Texas and Oklahoma), the ACC 4 times, and they were all deep South schools. The BIG, 3 times, Ohio State twice, and USC once. The southern high schools are fanatical about football. They are factories. The power shift to the SEC over the past 20 years is easy to understand. Money will not do the trick for the BIG, the SEC will have more.
 
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Yes it will be a one bid league. But how many bids will the new Big Ten need in a given year for Iowa to get in?

Iowa state needs to beat a bunch of teams not named Texas and Oklahoma and they are in.
New Big 12 is going to have an SoS problem in my opinion. No more OU or Texas, no more round robin, add in 4 new G5 programs. Big 12 will surely have an auto bid but it wouldn't surprise me if they included criteria requiring conference champions to be ranked inside top 15 or something. All the non-blueblood parity in the new Big 12 could result in a two-loss conference champion from time to time and that along with a weakened SoS could present challenges in the rankings.
 
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New Big 12 is going to have an SoS problem in my opinion. No more OU or Texas, no more round robin, add in 4 new G5 programs. Big 12 will surely have an auto bid but it wouldn't surprise me if they included criteria requiring conference champions to be ranked inside top 15 or something. All the non-blueblood parity and weakened SoS in the new Big 12 could result in a two-loss conference champion from time to time and that could present challenges in the rankings.
They will be on Tuesday & Wednesday nights with some games.
 

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Ohio State and the thirteen dwarfs. What the Big 10 has, that equates to football dollars, is a huge population left over from the massive growth during the industrial/manufacturing years - now long gone. The money won't mean anything until you can get the recruits, most of which are in a band from Texas across the South into Georgia and Florida, and they want to play in the South, not in the tundra. Evidence...since 2000 the SEC has won the National Championship 15 times (including Texas and Oklahoma), the ACC 4 times, and they were all deep South schools. The BIG, 3 times, Ohio State twice, and USC once. The southern high schools are fanatical about football. They are factories. The power shift to the SEC over the past 20 years is easy to understand. Money will not do the trick for the BIG, the SEC will have more.
Yeah it will bro. Big 12 and others will be the feeder programs.
 

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Yes it will be a one bid league. But how many bids will the new Big Ten need in a given year for Iowa to get in?

Iowa state needs to beat a bunch of teams not named Texas and Oklahoma and they are in.
Probably about 4th. Sounds more likely than ISU finishing first out of any group of 14 teams.
 

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SportsBusinessJournal with some good details on the B12 deal. They'll remain behind ACC in payouts, and the new B12 deal includes all their 3rd tier rights, they were the only conference that still retained those.

So it looks like the ACC will likely hang on to 3rd place in payouts, but overall the Middle 3 will have similar numbers.

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  • The big question will come down to price. Media companies believe the Big 12 deal set the market. The Pac-12 still is aiming higher. Keep in mind, the Pac-12 will have fewer schools -- 10 instead of 12 -- after USC and UCLA depart for the Big Ten. That’s two fewer mouths to feed. ESPN took pains to make sure that its Big 12 deal would not result in a bigger per-school payout than the ACC. Because of the ACC Network, it’s difficult to determine how much ACC schools make from its ESPN deal. But I was told that the Big 12 will not eclipse the ACC on that front at any point in its deal, which runs through 2030-31. ESPN is likely to approach Pac-12 negotiations in a similar way.
  • I keep seeing one aspect of the Big 12 deal that is creating confusion among fans on social media. Historically, the Big 12 had what it called "Tier Three" rights, which are the rights schools retained and sold to local broadcasters. These are the rights, for example, that Texas used to create the Longhorn Network with ESPN. ESPN now controls all of those rights as part of its deal; there are no more institutional-controlled games and no more Tier Three rights.

 
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SportsBusinessJournal with some good details on the B12 deal. They'll remain behind ACC in payouts, and the new B12 deal includes all their 3rd tier rights, they were the only conference that still retained those.

So it looks like the ACC will likely hang on to 3rd place in payouts, but overall the Middle 3 will have similar numbers.

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  • The big question will come down to price. Media companies believe the Big 12 deal set the market. The Pac-12 still is aiming higher. Keep in mind, the Pac-12 will have fewer schools -- 10 instead of 12 -- after USC and UCLA depart for the Big Ten. That’s two fewer mouths to feed. ESPN took pains to make sure that its Big 12 deal would not result in a bigger per-school payout than the ACC. Because of the ACC Network, it’s difficult to determine how much ACC schools make from its ESPN deal. But I was told that the Big 12 will not eclipse the ACC on that front at any point in its deal, which runs through 2030-31. ESPN is likely to approach Pac-12 negotiations in a similar way.
  • I keep seeing one aspect of the Big 12 deal that is creating confusion among fans on social media. Historically, the Big 12 had what it called "Tier Three" rights, which are the rights schools retained and sold to local broadcasters. These are the rights, for example, that Texas used to create the Longhorn Network with ESPN. ESPN now controls all of those rights as part of its deal; there are no more institutional-controlled games and no more Tier Three rights.

That's talking about just the $$$ coming from ESPN. Big 12's deal includes $$$ from FOX, which the ACC doesn't have. So ACC will continue getting paid a little bit more from ESPN and the ACC Network (owned by ESPN) than the Big 12 gets, but the Big 12 will likely end up with a higher total per school payout because of FOX along with ESPN.
 

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Oh no. They have to be the right kind of wins. Its not just about wins any more. You gotta win pretty!
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If we go to the 12-team playoff as currently suggested...

Six of 12 are conference champs, including the B1G and SEC. So Six at large bids. B1G/SEC have to land 4 of 6 at large bids to be half the field. Maybe they'll capture 5 slots some years. All six at large seems like a stretch.
 

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If we go to the 12-team playoff as currently suggested...

Six of 12 are conference champs, including the B1G and SEC. So Six at large bids. B1G/SEC have to land 4 of 6 at large bids to be half the field. Maybe they'll capture 5 slots some years. All six at large seems like a stretch.
I'd say Notre Dame if anywhere close gets in. Then the top 3 from Big Ten and SEC for sure are locks.