Can't imagine it being anything other than brief.
Blame the Left? Who Are You Trying to Kid?
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Harris is what Trump supporters say she is. It never mattered if it was bullshit or not. Perception is reality and Harris could never shake that perception. Dem messaging has been abysmal.
To me, and I voted for her, she always came across as very down to earth, very reasonable candidate. But she never came across as a genuine assertive leader. Never hammered home her positions and never separated herself from Biden or convinced me she would do things differently than him.
I really hope the dem leadership in this country does something in the years to come because they have been fking up big time.
To me, and I voted for her, she always came across as very down to earth, very reasonable candidate. But she never came across as a genuine assertive leader. Never hammered home her positions and never separated herself from Biden or convinced me she would do things differently than him.
I really hope the dem leadership in this country does something in the years to come because they have been fking up big time.
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And Harris campaign said tge polls were wrong. Liars...both sides. Get a grip Huey.
The DNC needs new leadership. They need to sound tougher regarding the borders. Probably need to get serious about enforcing anti-monopoly laws already in the books. They probably should sacrifice a federal program or two and work to raise taxes on the wealthy..Stay the hell away from “gender based” issues and monitor how “the states” deal them..there are enough laws currently in the books that reasonably protect all of us.
Would Bill Clinton's views make it through the Democratic nomination process today?
Or, without changing a thing about him, has he become too much of a radical right winger?
This. All the talk that Harris didn't give enough detailed policy, or didn't appear on Joe Rogan, or didn't separate herself enough from Biden is pure horsecrap. Trump was given a free pass on everything. Rape, kiddy rape, felonies, coups, you name it.
It just goes back to the old saying. Dems have to be flawless. Whiles Rs can be lawless.
Hassan once again proving that Democrats are incapable of learning lol
I would say it's pretty simple how Harris lost. She was a terrible candidate that no one wanted. Sure, the media tried to gaslight voters into thinking she was popular all along, but people aren't that stupid. They remember their own memories. They remembered they didn't want her in 2020 and she had done nothing to change that.
Suddenly, without going through the primary process, she is declared the nominee. Then, after she was gifted the nomination, she hid in the basement for 39 days. In an already shortened campaign cycle, she let nearly half of it go by without giving a single interview. Meanwhile, Trump was doing 10-15 per week.
To top it off, when she did finally start giving interviews, her message seemed to be that she both was and was not part of the Biden Administration. She was part of the new path forward but there wasn't anything she would have done differently than Joe. It was a mixed message. Food prices are too high; Bidenomics is working. She will be tough on the border; trans illegals will be given free sex change surgery. She is not for an electric vehicle mandate; she'll sign one if it comes across her desk.
Trump, for all his faults, is consistent with his message.
I love the way MAGAs think consistency of faults excuses faults.
It's like a guy on trial for killing someone uses as his defense that he's a serial killer, that he's always done this sort of thing.
lol…Harris could have quoted Bill word-for-word and still been labeled as a socialist commie. And she’d have still lost. For the same reasons she lost as herself.
She learned and changed her perspective, which shows growth. That’s something to commend, not criticize. On the other hand, Trump changes or supports two sides opposite of each other in the same day, but not a ****ing peep from you.
You're probably right that if she came out quoting Bill Clinton no one would believe it. They'd look at her record and think she was full of shit.
My question is, would you vote for '90s Bill Clinton if he ran against Harris for the nomination in 2024?
Or are his 90s positions too radical right wing now?
Knowing what I know about Clinton's character today - I'd likely vote for Harris. What's really scary is if Clinton ran in 2024, he'd STILL be younger than Trump.
Absolutely, and that was a point I was trying to make earlier.
I was a Republican until 2016.
I didn’t change my values.
But I follow rule of law, the constitution. I believe in science, and as a gardener for many years, I am green. I believe in National Security and a strong military.
Do any of some of you realize that our largest income, comes from selling our weapons abroad? Plus, they basically test them for us. It’s a win win.
But the new MAGA republicans don’t understand that concept.
Back in the day, we all worked together for the greater good. R or D.
Now it’s all out war.
I didn’t leave the party. The party left me
What positions did he hold that were different from Harris? Raising taxes on the wealthy (done)? Promoting affordable health care (not done)? Major infrastructure legislation (done)? You seem to remember a different Clinton. Even his draconian crime bill likely wouldn't make Harris look twice given that her career as a prosecutor was one of the things the left held against her.
So how did Bill Clinton's 90's policies become too right wing, if your values didn't change?
So when Saudi Arabia uses our weapons in a failed regime change bid in Yemen, and the UN acknowledges that war has led to the deaths of hundreds of thousands of civilians, that's a 'win-win' in your book?
Gross.
I don't think creating bomb craters, corpses and misery in MENA, resulting in millions of Islamists going to Europe, is for the 'greater good'.
These failed regime change efforts haven't created any 'greater good'.
They have enriched arms merchants, but I'm an old school Republican, who realizes that isn't for the 'greater good' either.
Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed.
This world in arms is not spending money alone.
It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children.
The cost of one modern heavy bomber is this: a modern brick school in more than 30 cities.
It is two electric power plants, each serving a town of 60,000 population. It is two fine, fully equipped hospitals.
It is some fifty miles of concrete pavement.
We pay for a single fighter plane with a half million bushels of wheat.
We pay for a single destroyer with new homes that could have housed more than 8,000 people.
-Dwight D. Eisenhower
She changed some positions to worse (more right wing) positions. That's neither learning nor growth. Examples: fracking, medicare for all, immigration.
I think you’re over reacting and misinterpreting what I said.
Yes, I know more than you probably know about the “military industrial complex”, but it is what is.
I never said that Bill Clinton’s policies were too right wing. Never. What I may have said, was that he got in power and learned from NSA that he had to govern from the middle, as do they all, because that’s the way it works.
The Republican Party that I came from was one that said strong defense, but one that had understanding about science and the environment and not forcing religion on people. That’s the party of today, imo.
Had this discussion with my brother already who works for naval intelligence.
And for the record, the candidates in 2016 were Hilary and Trump. It wasn’t Bill, and the president at the time was Obama.
I voted for Bill in 1992 but not in 1996 - because he had begun to disappoint by moving to the right. Dick Morris and triangulation and all that BS.
I still maintain that Clinton was the best Republican president since Ike (and probably better than Ike, but I was too young to know back then). And still the smartest president in my lifetime - even if he under-performed.
