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Bluder Botched the Transfer Portal

This was the chance to drop big cash (500k plus) to get a quality, athletic big. Then you can slide Hannah to the four. And make a run at a national title.
Caitlin can win a national title but there is no margin for error. Like a second round game against a 7 through 10 seed at Carver loss wouldn’t surprise me against a physical team. Just like a national title wouldn’t surprise me.
I agree. Could totally see this team losing 2nd round at home.

Caitlin is so good though that you’re right, if she’s on fire in March she could carry us to a Final 4. Probably that’s as far as she can carry this team this year.

Even if she’s red hot & ballin I don’t see her being able to get us to the title game or the champions.

And for her to carry this team to a Final 4, we’ll need a lot of upsets this year for our path to get to that round.
 
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I'm very aware of posters wanting a big. However, some of you just think Lisa is going to take any big regardless of the individual's ability and/or character. It's probably not that easy for her and her staff and players as well.

My point was originally that those issues with fans didn't seem to appear that much during the winning streak.
 
I agree. Could totally see this team losing 2nd round at home.

Caitlin is so good though that you’re right, if she’s on fire in March she could carry us to a Final 4. Probably that’s as far as she can carry this team this year.

Even if she’s red hot & ballin I don’t see her being able to get us to the title game or the champions.

And for her to carry this team to a Final 4, we’ll need a lot of upsets this year for our path to get to that round.
And we have to have the brackett break right. Iowa avoided Stanford, which opened up their path to the final four.
 
This would not have come from the Swarm. It would have been outside of it. Get a big donor or big company to do it. This was a once in a lifetime opportunity. Just look at Rutgers men’s basketball for next season. That’s how it should have been done. Not sure who is paying for two of the top three guys in next years class to play basketball at Rutgers, rumor is Jersey Mike’s.
Um - it would have had to come from an NIL group. Still not legal for universities to put players in contact with private companies for sponsorships. That still has to be handled thru collectives.

And again, you're crazy if you think there was $500k available. Maybe @Tx_Hawk can chime in.
 
Um - it would have had to come from an NIL group. Still not legal for universities to put players in contact with private companies for sponsorships. That still has to be handled thru collectives.

And again, you're crazy if you think there was $500k available. Maybe @Tx_Hawk can chime in.
You are so wrong. Caitlin does not use the Swarm. Caitlin doesn’t have an NIL collective. She just has people handle her NIL. You don’t know what you are talking about. The Swarm is great. But no one is forcing these athletes to use it.
 
I agree. Could totally see this team losing 2nd round at home.

Caitlin is so good though that you’re right, if she’s on fire in March she could carry us to a Final 4. Probably that’s as far as she can carry this team this year.

Even if she’s red hot & ballin I don’t see her being able to get us to the title game or the champions.

And for her to carry this team to a Final 4, we’ll need a lot of upsets this year for our path to get to that round.
You guys are posting like Iowa got crushed by 20, instead of losing in OT...on the road...to a very good Ohio State squad. Iowa had been playing very well prior to today, and this was a hardfought game throughout - it's not like Iowa just laid an egg here.

Also - Jansen said in post-game that several players were battling flu/food poisoning so I'm sure that didn't help things either.
 
You are so wrong. Caitlin does not use the Swarm. Caitlin doesn’t have a NIL collective. She just has people handle her NIL. You don’t know what you are talking about. The Swarm is great. But you are just talking about stuff you don’t know.
Oh, and you're an expert on the Swarm?

Clark is also 1 of 1. There are VERY few players in men or women's college athletics who could garner the sponsorships she has. I think it's a massive assumption some random collegiate big could get any NIL deal in Iowa City she wanted.
 
You guys are posting like Iowa got crushed by 20, instead of losing in OT...on the road...to a very good Ohio State squad. Iowa had been playing very well prior to today, and this was a hardfought game throughout - it's not like Iowa just laid an egg here.

Also - Jansen said in post-game that several players were battling flu/food poisoning so I'm sure that didn't help things either.
I don’t think Ohio State’s as good as last year.

In fact, I don’t think any team or the B1G as a whole is as good as last year.

That includes Iowa, Indiana, & Ohio State.

Inflated records & rankings this season imo.
 
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I don’t think Ohio State’s as good as last year.

In fact, I don’t think any team or the B1G as a whole is as good as last year.

That includes Iowa, Indiana, & Ohio State.

Inflated records & rankings this season imo.
Fair enough - Idk that I even disagree with you that much on this point. Still doesn't change that we played a good opponent on the road in conference play and lost in OT. And prior to this game we'd been looking like the ladies were figuring things out.

I look forward to the rematch on Senior Day.
 
Oh, and you're an expert on the Swarm?

Clark is also 1 of 1. There are VERY few players in men or women's college athletics who could garner the sponsorships she has. I think it's a massive assumption some random collegiate big could get any NIL deal in Iowa City she wanted.
You keep digging yourself a hole.
Oh, and you're an expert on the Swarm?

Clark is also 1 of 1. There are VERY few players in men or women's college athletics who could garner the sponsorships she has. I think it's a massive assumption some random collegiate big could get any NIL deal in Iowa City she wanted.
Most years, absolutely not. This year will never happen again for an Iowa team. You can’t tell me a Hy Vee or Casey’s or a generous donor wouldn’t pay 500k to give this team a chance. Yes. I know, it’s not “pay for play”, but it essentially is. This was the year to swing for the fences.
 
I'm very aware of posters wanting a big. However, some of you just think Lisa is going to take any big regardless of the individual's ability and/or character. It's probably not that easy for her and her staff and players as well.

My point was originally that those issues with fans didn't seem to appear that much during the winning streak.
I’ve posted this even after wins when teams kept it close due to our lack of quality post play.

We have coaches that understand good post play, so it had to be obvious to them our current options wouldn’t cut it. When you have a generational talent & enough quality core players to make a run…..you take the risk of messing with team chemistry to shoot for the title.

As others have said, our current team would have to get super lucky with matchups & staying hot from 3 for even a small chance to get back to the Final 4.
 
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Uhhh, no.

Maybe 1 out of the 4 each year get there because of this. Maybe
feel free to look at final four teams in either men or women's tournaments for say the last 5 years and let me know how many teams got to the final 4 without playing a team that advanced via upset.

It's incredibly rare that a team plays opponents in each round where the bracket goes chalk. Heck, let's just look at last year. LSU? they avoided the 1 seed in their bracket, Indiana, who lost in the 2nd round. I'll give them credit for beating the 2 seed Utah. South Carolina you can say did it; beating the 16, 8, 4 and 2 seeds in their bracket...prior to losing to Iowa when the Gamecocks were the #1 overall seed. Iowa we know beat several lower seeds due to upsets in their regional. Va Tech as the 1 seed in their bracket beat the 16, 9, 4, and 3 seeds and didn't play UConn the 2 seed in their region. So yeah, out of 4 teams last year - 1 team advanced to final 4 while facing the toughest possible road based on seeds.
 
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You keep digging yourself a hole.

Most years, absolutely not. This year will never happen again for an Iowa team. You can’t tell me a Hy Vee or Casey’s or a generous donor wouldn’t pay 500k to give this team a chance. Yes. I know, it’s not “pay for play”, but it essentially is. This was the year to swing for the fences.
Right now, and mods or Hinrichs could chime in if i'm wrong - I'd be very surprised if anyone other than Cooper (maybe) and Caitlyn are getting $500k from NIL or some donor. You'll note that both are also local Iowa kids with immense appeal to the fanbase. just my opinion - i doubt very much there's any transfer portal kid out there from ANY sport who's going to get $500k to come to Iowa; MAYBE someone like Proctor who has Iowa ties as well.

If you can find someone who's getting that much to come to Iowa, i'll concede the point.
 
As others have said, our current team would have to get super lucky with matchups & staying hot from 3 for even a small chance to get back to the Final 4.
Matchups always matter in the tourney - not sure I'd go so far as to say super-lucky, but it always helps!

Bluder's teams have always been built around perimeter shooting, so yeah, if iowa goes cold from 3 they're vulnerable. This is true of many teams as well however.
 
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feel free to look at final four teams in either men or women's tournaments for say the last 5 years and let me know how many teams got to the final 4 without playing a team that advanced via upset.

It's incredibly rare that a team plays opponents in each round where the bracket goes chalk. Heck, let's just look at last year. LSU? they avoided the 1 seed in their bracket, Indiana, who lost in the 2nd round. I'll give them credit for beating the 2 seed Utah. South Carolina you can say did it; beating the 16, 8, 4 and 2 seeds in their bracket...prior to losing to Iowa when the Gamecocks were the #1 overall seed. Iowa we know beat several lower seeds due to upsets in their regional. Va Tech as the 1 seed in their bracket beat the 16, 9, 4, and 3 seeds and didn't play UConn the 2 seed in their region. So yeah, out of 4 teams last year - 1 team advanced to final 4 while facing the toughest possible road based on seeds.
Well, derp!!!

No sh*t Sherlock.

I’m talking Iowa will need a few games against the lower seeds that upset the higher seed.

And we might need a big gift this year.

Like playing a 7 seed in the Elite 8 or a 12 seed in the sweet 16.

Hate to break it to you but there’s never been a tournament go straight chalk. 🙄

And there never will be. For the record.
 
Right now, and mods or Hinrichs could chime in if i'm wrong - I'd be very surprised if anyone other than Cooper (maybe) and Caitlyn are getting $500k from NIL or some donor. You'll note that both are also local Iowa kids with immense appeal to the fanbase. just my opinion - i doubt very much there's any transfer portal kid out there from ANY sport who's going to get $500k to come to Iowa; MAYBE someone like Proctor who has Iowa ties as well.

If you can find someone who's getting that much to come to Iowa, i'll concede the point.
You are missing the point. The appeal to the fanbase is irrelevant.
There might not be another year where spending that type of money makes sense at iowa for any sport. In my opinion, this year it made sense.
I can guarantee you no one from Rutgers was getting anywhere close to the millions these two current high school senior basketball recruits are getting to play there next year. They are swinging for the fences.
Rutgers isn’t exactly Kansas or Duke in basketball either.
 
You are missing the point. The appeal to the fanbase is irrelevant.
There might not be another year where spending that type of money makes sense at iowa for any sport. In my opinion, this year it made sense.
I can guarantee you no one from Rutgers was getting anywhere close to the millions these two current high school senior basketball recruits are getting to play their next year. They are swinging for the fences.
The appeal matters tho if you're talking about a transfer getting a sponsorship from say Casey's or Hy-Vee - they're only making that commitment if they think they're getting a payoff that makes it worth it.

Donors? Wasn't happening last year with Barta in charge and you know it.

I don't disagree with your larger point that if ever there was a year to go big on a transfer, this season was it. I'm simply arguing that the donor/company who was going to shell that money out simply didn't exist. Bluder tried for some by all accounts, but amongst other things lacked the NIL pockets to match other schools.
 
Everyone knew she had to find a big to effectively replace Monica. Teams like LSU and South Carolina will destroy us this year with Hannah as the starting 5.

Without Clark this game would have been a 40 point blowout.
She had NO money to get one of the bigs in the portal. Go talk to the NIL people.
 
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There have been numerous threads discussing Iowa’s pursuit of a big to replace Czinano, particularly regarding Betts from Stanford. This is definitely not a new conversation topic.

CC is a generational talent, not throwing the bank of NIL money available to try and win a Natty with her here is a major whiff. Not blaming Bluder in particular, but we’ll likely never see another CC let alone playing for Iowa.
That is correct— had to go all in while Clark is at Iowa. Too late now.
 
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Well, derp!!!

No sh*t Sherlock.

I’m talking Iowa will need a few games against the lower seeds that upset the higher seed.

And we might need a big gift this year.

Like playing a 7 seed in the Elite 8 or a 12 seed in the sweet 16.

Hate to break it to you but there’s never been a tournament go straight chalk. 🙄

And there never will be. For the record.
I never argued otherwise - playing teams that advance via upset always helps. advancing in the tournament has always been dependent to some degree on the matchups, upsets, etc. Rare is the team that advances by playing a bracket that went chalk for them - meaning they play the highest possible seeds, no games against any cinderellas.

Ironically, this has been an not-insignificant issue for the men's team...I can't find a year where they played a 2nd round game against a cinderella team; they ALWAYS seem to play the top seed after winning their 1st round game (not counting years where they got upset in round 1).
 
This was the chance to drop big cash (500k plus) to get a quality, athletic big. Then you can slide Hannah to the four. And make a run at a national title.
Caitlin can win a national title but there is no margin for error. Like a second round game against a 7 through 10 seed at Carver loss wouldn’t surprise me against a physical team. Just like a national title wouldn’t surprise me.
Easy to be critical….You know of anyone who was willing to “drop” $500,000 on a top center? Didn’t think so.The women’s program had no nil money last year.
 
I know it wasn’t possible, but wouldn’t it have been nice to have used the funds spent on Cade and Erick All and used it to buy some women’s post players

You know, the team that could have actually won a conference or national title
Christ AGAIN, WHO were they supposed to get? The only quality big in the portal was Betts, and she had ZERO interest in Iowa. Supposedly she wouldn't even talk with the swarm guys. Why must we persist in this BS?
 
You are so wrong. Caitlin does not use the Swarm. Caitlin doesn’t have an NIL collective. She just has people handle her NIL. You don’t know what you are talking about. The Swarm is great. But no one is forcing these athletes to use it.
Clarks NIL is through companies paying her as a spokesperson, because her skill has made her such. WHO were companies supposed to give big$ to sight unseen? WHO was available that was worth that committment? People keep making up this dream that there was some player out there that Lisa should have brought in, even though no such person existed, and then trying to call her out for not fulfilling their made up dream....
 
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The portal was weak. In 2022 the pool was huge. In 2023 things settled down a bit. There were only 3-4 bigs who would have been upgrades. Morrow was the one who didn’t call us back (tho tbh she isn’t that good — the poor overall portal quality made her look better than she is, same with HVL — she couldn’t even lead DePaul to an NCAAT appearance).

She was likely — like Betts — disgusted with Iowa, like many players / fans across the country (especially black people). Ware might have been a good add. I’m not sure she would have been a game changer. After that….options were slim.
 
Christ AGAIN, WHO were they supposed to get? The only quality big in the portal was Betts, and she had ZERO interest in Iowa. Supposedly she wouldn't even talk with the swarm guys. Why must we persist in this BS?
It is a broken record, but look at the posters. No offense to anyone, but pretty much all new to WBB conversations.
 
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Christ AGAIN, WHO were they supposed to get? The only quality big in the portal was Betts, and she had ZERO interest in Iowa. Supposedly she wouldn't even talk with the swarm guys. Why must we persist in this BS?
So there were no bigs that could rebound and play d?

Everyone is fixated on Betts and Morrow types . We didn’t need a splashy transfer that could put up 20 a night. So was there no one out there could rebound, play solid interior defense?
 
So there were no bigs that could rebound and play d?

Everyone is fixated on Betts and Morrow types . We didn’t need a splashy transfer that could put up 20 a night. So was there no one out there could rebound, play solid interior defense?
Please review the players in the portal and let us know who you think Bluder should have magically found and paid $300k for.
 
The portal was weak. In 2022 the pool was huge. In 2023 things settled down a bit. There were only 3-4 bigs who would have been upgrades. Morrow was the one who didn’t call us back (tho tbh she isn’t that good — the poor overall portal quality made her look better than she is, same with HVL — she couldn’t even lead DePaul to an NCAAT appearance).

She was likely — like Betts — disgusted with Iowa, like many players / fans across the country (especially black people). Ware might have been a good add. I’m not sure she would have been a game changer. After that….options were slim.
Disgusted? Lol
 
Everyone knew she had to find a big to effectively replace Monica. Teams like LSU and South Carolina will destroy us this year with Hannah as the starting 5.

Without Clark this game would have been a 40 point blowout.
No she didn’t. And of course we wouldn’t be as good without Clark. That’s just stupid to even bring up. Point is we do have her. The best player in college bball. Some of you guys are crazy after a loss. Ohio St is talented and we lost in front of 18K on the road. We’re fine.
 
You are missing the point. The appeal to the fanbase is irrelevant.
There might not be another year where spending that type of money makes sense at iowa for any sport. In my opinion, this year it made sense.
I can guarantee you no one from Rutgers was getting anywhere close to the millions these two current high school senior basketball recruits are getting to play there next year. They are swinging for the fences.
Rutgers isn’t exactly Kansas or Duke in basketball either.
Then why didn’t you give 100K for a big if it’s so easy?
 
Easy to be critical….You know of anyone who was willing to “drop” $500,000 on a top center? Didn’t think so.The women’s program had no nil money last year.
Don’t disagree whatsoever and hindsight is 20/20. Based on the season sellout and the outrageous secondary ticket prices people are paying, we likely could have generated a very large sum of money towards a portal player - again I have no concept of how this would be organized, but having a generational talent like Clark and not taking advantage of what has become essentially pay to play seems like a missed opportunity.

No knock on Bluder as I’m sure she did everything in her power to bring in additional talent to support Clark.
 
Bluder is who she is.

She is riding Clark just like the fan base.

If Bluder was a top shelf national quality coach she would have made some noise in all the years before Clark.

Enjoy a once in a lifetime talent because when it’s over, it’s over.
 
I know nothing of what efforts were made or not, but IMHO, it'll be a shame if the greatest wbb player of all time ends her career without a natty, especially if every effort wasn't made to surround her with the best talent possible. What I do know is what I can see. This team has talent, was up 12 late, and should have won this game. I can also see the talent minus clark is a level below several other teams (k state, osu, sc, lsu, etc) and, to me, that's a damn shame.
 
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