Flo reports that Bo Jordan is the No. 1 pre-seed at 165 for the upcoming LV Cliff Keen Open. Ryan Harris of tOSU is going 174, apparently. Clears the way for Alex Meyer if Bo stays at 165 for the rest of the way.
Bo Jordan -- 165
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Agreed. 174 has become wide open. Clears a nice path for our talented freshman, Bo Nickal, as well.
I normally wouldn't agree with a Nittany Lion, however that's not the case here. Nickal is certainly a threat, however Meyer's LUNGS may be too much for the RS FR. Only time will tell.
I don't quarrel with that either -- Nickal looks very tough. Shame there's no PSU-Iowa dual this year: Meyer-Nickal; Retherferd-Sorensen; Gillman-Mega; McIntosh-Burak; Clark-Conaway; Brooks-McCutheon. Would have been great for the schools' fans, and great for the sport overall.
This dual may still happen with PSU and Iowa both scheduled to partake in the national duals this year.
I thought that the Duals were going to be a bowl series type structure. Where the highest ranked Big Ten goes against highest ranked non Big Ten and down the line.
There is one fact not in dispute between Iowa and Penn State fans and their coaches. Not having this match every year is, in a word, bullshit.
I hope this is true cause that's a great format to make these duels relevant. Maybe do a final duel at the end of the season within the BIGs. Best Legends duel team record vs best Leaders team. Winner goes on to duel the best non BIGs team for the National Title.
My understanding is this is not a done deal for the Buckeyes.
They are considering all options. Myles Martin is a stud who is Redshirting currently, but if Tom Ryan thinks Myles can score at NCAA's then he is going to keep Bo Jordan at 165 and role Myles out there at 174.
This move by Bo is not being made for Ryan Harris to be the starter at 174 (although he is this weekend, and he is an Ohio State Champ, big schools, so he isn't chopped liver).
They are considering all options. Myles Martin is a stud who is Redshirting currently, but if Tom Ryan thinks Myles can score at NCAA's then he is going to keep Bo Jordan at 165 and role Myles out there at 174.
This move by Bo is not being made for Ryan Harris to be the starter at 174 (although he is this weekend, and he is an Ohio State Champ, big schools, so he isn't chopped liver).
Didn't want to jinx our boy's return to the lineup!
Ohio State could be a scary team come Big Ten's and NCAA's
125- Tomasello, top 3
133- Dijulius, AA
141- Micah Jordan, I think he is top 3. Honestly, he is my pick to win it all.
149- Hunter Stieber, He is drilling again and all reports are he is looking good. I want to see it with my own eyes, before I put him in the title hunt again. So, he is a wildcard.
157- Jake Ryan, Qualifier
165- Bo Jordan, Top 3
174- Myles Martin, kid is a stud, #4 overall recruit last year (for comparison sake, Kemerer was #8). Undefeated, but hasn't see anyone of note yet. I think he can be an AA, what year and how high is the only question. Taking a wait and see approach here, because as talented as he undeniably is, a lot of talented wrestlers take a year to adjust to DI college wrestling.
184- Kenny Courts, #4 in the country right now and a returning AA
197- Mark Martin, I thought this was a dead weight for tOSU preseason after Kyle Snyder announced he was taking an olympic redshirt year, but man was I wrong. Most people thought Mark Martin was going to Redshirt as well after starting the last year years down at 165 and 174, but he hit the weight room hard and is a legitimate 197. Mark Martin looks very good too. He is still adjusting to the weight jump up from 174. Martin had been complaining quite vocally the last couple years about how hard the cut to 165 and 174 was for him. He was also as highly ranked as #5 in the country at one point. He has the pedigree (3 time Ohio State Title, elite high school program [St. Edward], highly ranked recruit, who started and won two matches at NCAA as a true Freshmen. Now that he is not making a soul crushing weight cut, he is looking like a mid to low AA contender.
Heavyweight- Nick Tavanello or Thomas Haines, Tavanello was round of 12 as a RS Freshmen when he was healthy. Last year he was wrestling on 1 leg and gutted through Big Ten's just to qualify to NCAA's including a big win over Adam Coon. However, just about everyone thinks Thomas Haines has a much higher ceiling (Haines was a 4 time PA State Champ and the #9 overall recruit two years ago), the problem is Thomas Haines can not beat Tavanello in their wrestle off (he is 0-3). I'm not sure who it will be by the end of the year, but both have low AA potential.
I thought tOSU would be a solid team (top 5), but I honestly didn't think they were title contenders. I thought that was a 3 horse race between PSU, Okie State, and Iowa. However, now I am think tOSU can get into the race with Nevills getting hurt and Okie have some issues at 157. The door has opened and tOSU had some surprising additions to the lineup.
125- Tomasello, top 3
133- Dijulius, AA
141- Micah Jordan, I think he is top 3. Honestly, he is my pick to win it all.
149- Hunter Stieber, He is drilling again and all reports are he is looking good. I want to see it with my own eyes, before I put him in the title hunt again. So, he is a wildcard.
157- Jake Ryan, Qualifier
165- Bo Jordan, Top 3
174- Myles Martin, kid is a stud, #4 overall recruit last year (for comparison sake, Kemerer was #8). Undefeated, but hasn't see anyone of note yet. I think he can be an AA, what year and how high is the only question. Taking a wait and see approach here, because as talented as he undeniably is, a lot of talented wrestlers take a year to adjust to DI college wrestling.
184- Kenny Courts, #4 in the country right now and a returning AA
197- Mark Martin, I thought this was a dead weight for tOSU preseason after Kyle Snyder announced he was taking an olympic redshirt year, but man was I wrong. Most people thought Mark Martin was going to Redshirt as well after starting the last year years down at 165 and 174, but he hit the weight room hard and is a legitimate 197. Mark Martin looks very good too. He is still adjusting to the weight jump up from 174. Martin had been complaining quite vocally the last couple years about how hard the cut to 165 and 174 was for him. He was also as highly ranked as #5 in the country at one point. He has the pedigree (3 time Ohio State Title, elite high school program [St. Edward], highly ranked recruit, who started and won two matches at NCAA as a true Freshmen. Now that he is not making a soul crushing weight cut, he is looking like a mid to low AA contender.
Heavyweight- Nick Tavanello or Thomas Haines, Tavanello was round of 12 as a RS Freshmen when he was healthy. Last year he was wrestling on 1 leg and gutted through Big Ten's just to qualify to NCAA's including a big win over Adam Coon. However, just about everyone thinks Thomas Haines has a much higher ceiling (Haines was a 4 time PA State Champ and the #9 overall recruit two years ago), the problem is Thomas Haines can not beat Tavanello in their wrestle off (he is 0-3). I'm not sure who it will be by the end of the year, but both have low AA potential.
I thought tOSU would be a solid team (top 5), but I honestly didn't think they were title contenders. I thought that was a 3 horse race between PSU, Okie State, and Iowa. However, now I am think tOSU can get into the race with Nevills getting hurt and Okie have some issues at 157. The door has opened and tOSU had some surprising additions to the lineup.
Keep dreaming about fosu being a title threat this year. As good as the Hawks can be I still don't know if that's enough to beat psu. I will tell u that fosu is a notch below Iowa. No WAY is little Jordan a champ! Then throw in Courts miracle run last wouldn't bet on that kind run this year.
I never thought tOSU would be in the mix this year for a Title. However, now that some of their moves have worked out (Micah Jordan to 141, Ryan at 157, Myles Martin at 174, and Mark Martin at 197). I think they have a shot if the last piece comes into place and that is Hunter Stieber. Still not a favorite and I have them solidly behind the three afore mentioned schools (PSU, Okie St., and Iowa). But, they are closer than I originally predicted.
As for Micah Jordan, we just disagree. I know it is not a popular opinion, but it is my opinion. I think Micah Jordan ends up being in the top 3 and honestly he is my dark horse pick to win his weight.
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Did Micah have any wins last year over ranked opponents? I know he had a good record last year, but I couldn't find a record of who he wrestled.
A loss or 2 to his cousin may effect his seeding at NCAA's. tOSU looking for every point to win NCAAs.
(probably not the reason but I'm sure someone will put legs to it and run)
It would be frustrating having to wrestler your own cousin at this level. I feel for both of them, but they're big boys
One will med out if they have to face each other. Why, not many coaches are like Tom Brands and John Smith who wants there wrestlers facing tough comp early in season. Tom Ryan is the biggest chicken coach out there. What Bo Jordan isn't competing in Vegas, I can go on about the last few years how he protected his wrestlers and pulled them.
"Tom Ryan isn't like Tom Brands or John Smith.....Tom Ryan is the biggest chicken coach out there"
Please lets hear some examples, bc Tom Ryan is one of the absolute best coaches in America. Tom Ryan built Ohio State, a program that has never won a National Title, into a yearly contender. Tom Ryan finished as the runner up twice and a third (admittedly one of those runner up finishes was on the backs on transfers when he first got hired, similar to Brands bringing his guys with him when he first was hired at Iowa). That first couple years with the transfer rules gives you a huge advantage Tom Ryan took advantage of that, but his National Title last year was post that wave of transfers and was a signal that his program is here to stay. When was the last time Tom Brands or John Smith won a National Title (serious question I am not sure)?
Please lets hear some examples, bc Tom Ryan is one of the absolute best coaches in America. Tom Ryan built Ohio State, a program that has never won a National Title, into a yearly contender. Tom Ryan finished as the runner up twice and a third (admittedly one of those runner up finishes was on the backs on transfers when he first got hired, similar to Brands bringing his guys with him when he first was hired at Iowa). That first couple years with the transfer rules gives you a huge advantage Tom Ryan took advantage of that, but his National Title last year was post that wave of transfers and was a signal that his program is here to stay. When was the last time Tom Brands or John Smith won a National Title (serious question I am not sure)?
I just want some examples. He comes on here and calls the reigning National Champion coach, who built a program at a school that has never won a National Title in its history and calls him the "biggest chicken coach" and says he is not like Tom Brands or John Smith. I just don't understand his statement.
I happen to think very highly on Tom Ryan.
Many thanks. Best wins appear to be two close victories last year over Chisko. Little Jordan is clearly good, but the record to date does not point to a top 3 finish. Not yet, anyway. The quality of the competition he will face at Cliff Keen this weekend will be better than what he's gone against in the past.
In retrospect I guess he was right.
BTW, I have no issues with Tognetti stating his opinion on a message board--I'm sure Tom Ryan can take it. For the record, count me among those who like Tom Ryan and are impressed with the job he's done.
First off I didn't say Tom Ryan was a bad coach, I said he protects his guys early in the season because of "rankings". You can go back the last 3 years and watch him pulls his guys when they have a tough match. I think he did it against Iowa a few years ago and so on. I'm not looking it up because it happens a lot, Tom has a great team, and still doing it. Why Bo not wrestling Vegas but still weights in? My point is he is always worried about rankings instead of letting his guys wrestle, but if he thinks they aren't a sure thing about winning (maybe they have a in grown facial hair) he will protect there ranking early in the season.
Can't happen. DonHawkeye had it right. The top-8 Big Ten teams each have home matches against the dual meet champions from the 7 non-Big Ten Conferences, plus 1 non-Big Ten wildcard. The order of the match-ups will be decided by the coaches poll, highest ranked Big Ten team vs highest ranked non-Big Ten team, 2nd highest Big Ten team vs 2nd highest non-Big Ten team, etc.
Just my opinion I would be ok with the Hawks not doing National duals. Can have injuries happen etc and can mess up seeds for big tens and nationals.
I don't believe the Hawks wrestle Penn State or Ohio State this year just my thoughts.
I don't believe the Hawks wrestle Penn State or Ohio State this year just my thoughts.
Tom Ryan is a chicken **** and a dirty recruiter. He fits right in at fosu. He also routinely sits guys with fake injuries to protect seeds. Feel free to discuss it more on your ohio state board.
I would go as far as saying that he is right. He has protected his wrestlers rankings even into the middle of the season. Not sure about late into the season. Might be a good strategy but bad for the sport and I think the NCAA should punish the wrestler for avoiding competition instead of rewarding it like it does (like it does in football - but in FB, your schedule is predominantly set. In wrestling, for tOSU it is pure ducking the competition).
It sure is great for the sport when fans line up to see the marquee match ups and he sits a guy because he isn't tan enough.By the way, I was hoping you choked on that last sausage and disappeared.
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He also turned Hofstra from a door mat in d1 wrestling to a top 10 team while he was there Toms is a great coach who knows how to build great teams and just a great person in general especially if you have gotten the chance to know him personally
It's weird that we never had a Penn State poster on this board until they won a title. Now we have two Ohio State trolls on here after they win a title. I guess we should be flattered but I would rather them troll somewhere else.
