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Bob Dole: "Nobody likes Ted Cruz"

Due to what? Technology? We continue to lose liberties at an alarming rate, so it obviously isn't the government.
As if you stand up for liberty. You are constantly tossing freedom fighters under the bus. In thread after thread this week you claim those who have their rights violated should just move along and accept their lot. Worker's rights, religious rights, federal powers, you crap on the constitution and liberty consistently.
 
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I won't be voting for Ted Cruz, but this isn't why. Electing people we want to have beers with hasn't served us very well for the last 16 years. While I dislike both Donald Trump and Ted Cruz, at least Ted Cruz isn't hiding what he actually believes for political gain and, while probably an arrogant prick, at least he doesn't spout racist and xenophobic drivel.
 
Actually, from all I've heard Dole is a very funny, likable guy in person. He was just a terrible campaigner and came off as grumpy and standoffish in interviews and on the campaign trail. Too bad really, because was and is an outstanding American and a true war hero (at least to anyone other than Donald Trump) who has dedicated his life to serving his country.

Again, I think this is a case where multiple things may be true. Although I should know better than to try to outlink a master linker :D...here's an NYT article that gives flavor to what I am saying about Mr. Dole. http://www.nytimes.com/1988/02/08/us/politics-the-anger-in-bob-dole-is-one-key-to-his-power.html

There are plenty of other similarly toned articles regarding Dole to be found. I think it is fair to say that in addition to being an overall good guy that was liked and well respected by many, he was also overly tart and a grumpy too.
 
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The more establishment "Republicans" dump on him, the more I like him.

I hate to say this, but you're right. The more the establishment dumps on anyone from either side, the more I like them.

I don't care about, or like, Ted Cruz.

Again Nole, have you ever held a concrete stance in you lifetime? Hell you can't even make up your own mind in this thread. Too bad you have me on ignore our you could explain your flip/flop nature you always seem to display here.
 
Electing people we want to have beers with hasn't served us very well for the last 16 years.

In what F'ed up world does anyone want to have a beer with Ted Cruz who isn't named Phil Robertson? I'd rather have a Crystal Light with Chris Christie than any beverage with Ted Cruz.
 
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As if you stand up for liberty. You are constantly tossing freedom fighters under the bus. In thread after thread this week you claim those who have their rights violated should just move along and accept their lot. Worker's rights, religious rights, federal powers, you crap on the constitution and liberty consistently.

What you are talking about aren't rights. You don't have the right to force someone to hire you or keep you.
 
In what F'ed up world does anyone want to have a beer with Ted Cruz who isn't named Phil Robertson? I'd rather have a Crystal Light with Chris Christie than any beverage with Ted Cruz.

Exactly my point. I wouldn't want to have beers with him either. My point was saying "no one likes Ted Cruz" is not a reason to not vote for him. There are other valid reasons not to vote for Ted Cruz, but him not being likeable isn't one of them.
 
What you are talking about aren't rights. You don't have the right to force someone to hire you or keep you.
Workers have rights even if you don't want them to. I realize you think only the nobility should have rights, but you lost that battle long ago.
 
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My point was saying "no one likes Ted Cruz" is not a reason to not vote for him. There are others valid reasons not to vote for Ted Cruz, but him not being likeable isn't one of them.

Thanks for clarifying. I'm going to disagree with your stance though. Not liking Ted Cruz is certainly a valid reason to not vote for him. Now if you said you didn't like him because his nose was too big, then I agree. But if people don't like him because of the shit that comes out of his mouth, than that is a very good reason to not vote for someone you don't like. I don't hate Ted Cruz because of his personal appearance. I hate a majority of what he stands for and for that reason I don't care for him as a person and he won't get my vote.
 
Exactly my point. I wouldn't want to have beers with him either. My point was saying "no one likes Ted Cruz" is not a reason to not vote for him. There are other valid reasons not to vote for Ted Cruz, but him not being likeable isn't one of them.


Good point. Ruth Marcus fears he's too likable, and that's the most dangerous thing about him!:

Donald Trump says Ted Cruz is a “nasty guy.” The Texan’s Senate colleagues agree. Yet here’s the surprise from watching Cruz on the campaign trail: Ideology aside, he comes off as . . . rather likable.


To watch Trump and Cruz campaign here is to witness the difference between a reality TV performer and a disciplined politician. With apologies to the artists, Trump is Jackson Pollock to Cruz’s Rembrandt. One splatters paint with no coherent pattern, the other dabs with evident skill, albeit in notably dark tones.

Trump’s riff of a stump speech is all poll numbers (terrific) and crowd sizes (record), interspersed with millimeter-deep detours into policy. Common Core is terrible; the border wall will be great; he knows how to negotiate trade deals.

At one point at Concord High School on Monday, Trump paused when interrupted by a loud, high-pitched yelp. “What was that, was that a dog?” he asked. “Hillary,” an audience member shouted.


Republican residential candidate Ted Cruz tells supporters he's not interested in bashing his Republican rival, Donald Trump, and that Americans don't care for politicians "behaving like petulant children." (Reuters)
A more experienced politician — a more politically correct one, Trump would say — would have known to stand down. Not Trump. “Uh- oh, it’s Hillary,” Trump repeated, laughing and smiling. “Aaah,” shaking his head, “only in New Hampshire, huh?”

Still, Trump being Trump, he couldn’t let it rest. “First, it was a screechy dog, then it was a very serious dog, right?” he said. “Anyway, that’s all right. Take good care of your dogs.”

I’m not sure exactly what Trump meant — he probably didn’t know what he meant, except that to realize, belatedly, that he ought to back himself out of this line of non-thought, pronto. But there was nothing funny about the supporter’s shout, and nothing acceptable about Trump’s laugh-along response.

Cruz on the campaign trail has a set piece, a strict sonnet compared with Trumpian free verse. In New Hampshire, it begins with a well-placed geographic pander, one that also happens to involve Clinton.

“For the record, Tom Brady was framed,” he says, to inevitable cheers about the Patriots quarterback. “I’m not willing to pander on much” — laughter — “but on that, Tom Brady was framed, and I have it on good authority that Hillary Clinton was responsible.” More cheers. “Why else do you think she destroyed her emails?” This is not actually funny, but for New Hampshire Republicans, it amounts to a double-stuffed serving of red meat.

I knew before seeing Cruz on the stump that he is smart — dangerously so from my ideological perspective. I knew from watching him operate in Washington that he is ruthlessly ambitious. Seeing him in action, it’s clear he’s adept at retail politics as well.

Cruz knows how to connect with an audience; to soften people up with laugh lines and a smattering of scripture; to deliver his message with digestible details and a warning that aims at Trump without, for the most part, explicitly naming him: Judge candidates based on what they’ve actually done, not what they promise.

In one telling moment in Washington, N.H., a young mother of four challenged Cruz about whether he would provide paid family leave. His eventual answer boiled down to nothing: “Politicians love to campaign on giving away free stuff,” but, as with the minimum wage, market forces mean such intervention would hurt workers, not help them.

But he leavened this response with personal questions (How old? Boys or girls?) and, believe it or not, empathy: He knows about being the “baby brother with two older sisters”; he understands the “hard challenge” of juggling work and family. The woman may have left unconvinced, but Cruz’s deft response revealed a politician both skillful and relatable. The crowd applauded.

Because Trump and Cruz seem to be competing for the angry-outsider lane, I expected voters at Cruz events here to be torn between the two. Instead, I was struck by the still-undecided voters I met who had rejected Trump, using words like “antics” and “volatile” to describe him.

“The more I look at his record, the more I listen to what he’s saying, the less I’m likely to vote for him,” said Charles Wood, 45, a small-business owner from Weare. Added Gayle Terani, 71, of Washington, “When it comes to sitting across the table from global leaders, I don’t know if he has the patience or the demeanor.”

State polls have Trump firmly in the lead; New Hampshire, unlike Iowa, is not evident Cruz territory. But the Texan’s skill on the stump is undeniable. That he manages not to come off as a nasty guy makes him all the more dangerous.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...20dbee-bed8-11e5-bcda-62a36b394160_story.html
 
They should have the right to work, but they shouldn't have a right to a job.
I don't think you believe what you just typed. But if you do, get in the Muslim thread and support their right to work without endangering their immortal souls.
 
I don't think you believe what you just typed. But if you do, get in the Muslim thread and support their right to work without endangering their immortal souls.

Why would I do that when I don't believe they have a right to that job? Look, if your boss is a hardcore Christian and wants to hold prayer meetings then you have two choices, participate or find a new job.

I've worked for people that I didn't agree with, and instead of remaining there, I went out and found another job. It wasn't hard.
 
I voted for Bob Dole. Think that was the last time I voted for a Republican for President. At this rate it will continue to be.
 
Why would I do that when I don't believe they have a right to that job? Look, if your boss is a hardcore Christian and wants to hold prayer meetings then you have two choices, participate or find a new job.

I've worked for people that I didn't agree with, and instead of remaining there, I went out and found another job. It wasn't hard.
That's just what i thought. You believe the lord of the manor has rights and the serfs don't. You don't know or believe in liberty at all. You believe in power and wealth, not individual civil rights.
 
Thanks for clarifying. I'm going to disagree with your stance though. Not liking Ted Cruz is certainly a valid reason to not vote for him. Now if you said you didn't like him because his nose was too big, then I agree. But if people don't like him because of the shit that comes out of his mouth, than that is a very good reason to not vote for someone you don't like. I don't hate Ted Cruz because of his personal appearance. I hate a majority of what he stands for and for that reason I don't care for him as a person and he won't get my vote.

Good point. As long as you dislike him for policy or issue reasons, I'm fine with that.
 
That's just what i thought. You believe the lord of the manor has rights and the serfs don't. You don't know or believe in liberty at all. You believe in power and wealth, not individual civil rights.

They aren't serfs. They choose to work there. They can go wherever they want, whenever they want.

You say you believe in individual rights, but you obviously don't believe in the right to private property. Should I have access to your house or your car? If not, then why should someone have access to a private business? They are all private property.
 
They aren't serfs. They choose to work there. They can go wherever they want, whenever they want.

You say you believe in individual rights, but you obviously don't believe in the right to private property. Should I have access to your house or your car? If not, then why should someone have access to a private business? They are all private property.
Because they opened their business to the public and invited them to particapate. Its no longer a "private" affair once you do that. Absent laws protecting these workers, most jobs will force them to choose between their bellies and their souls. The right to work only matters if you have a right to work at a job. Connect the dots. You cut the heart out of lady liberty with your sophomoric positions.
 
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Well since I generally don't support terrorist organizations, this one doesn't bother me all that much. Is that really all you can come up with to support your point?

You don't have to support terrorist organizations. They just have to say that you support terrorist organizations. So, if you don't mind being held indefinitely, without the right to counsel...then rock on, brutha!
 
Because they opened their business to the public and invited them to particapate. Its no longer a "private" affair once you do that. Absent laws protecting these workers, most jobs will force them to choose between their bellies and their souls. The right to work only matters if you have a right to work at a job. Connect the dots. You cut the heart out of lady liberty with your sophomoric positions.

So, their business is owned by the public then?
 
Well since I generally don't support terrorist organizations, this one doesn't bother me all that much. Is that really all you can come up with to support your point?

You don't have to support terrorist organizations. They just have to say that you support terrorist organizations. So, if you don't mind being held indefinitely, without the right to counsel...then rock on, brutha!

I often think of all my friends and family members who have been locked up because of Habeas Corpus being taken away. They weren't even dealing with terrorists and Obama won't give them their one phone call. I can only imagine what's next. Hopefully Nole can see the future.
 
It's subject to public laws. That's different than being owned. You see the world as too black and white. It's probably your authoritarian leanings showing.

See, you're arguing about how things are, I'm arguing about how things should be. If you have no interest in discussing this, then that's fine. I've tried to discuss it with you before and you basically keep parroting the law over and over again. I have no interest in discussing the law. I have an interest in discussing what the law should be.
 
See, you're arguing about how things are, I'm arguing about how things should be. If you have no interest in discussing this, then that's fine. I've tried to discuss it with you before and you basically keep parroting the law over and over again. I have no interest in discussing the law. I have an interest in discussing what the law should be.
nm: (never mind -- you wouldn't understand)
 
See, you're arguing about how things are, I'm arguing about how things should be. If you have no interest in discussing this, then that's fine. I've tried to discuss it with you before and you basically keep parroting the law over and over again. I have no interest in discussing the law. I have an interest in discussing what the law should be.
I'm well aware of what you think should be. You think gold should make the rules. I think the people should make the rules. You think the law should protect gold. I think the law should protect people, even (or especially) from each other. You think civilization is a hinderance to freedom. I think freedom is only possible because of civilization.
 
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I'm well aware of what you think should be. You think gold should make the rules. I think the people should make the rules. You think the law should protect gold. I think the law should protect people, even (or especially) from each other. You think civilization is a hinderance to freedom. I think freedom is only possible because of civilization.

Please tell me how I think that the rich should make the rules.
 
Please tell me how I think that the rich should make the rules.
In this case being discussed you think the rights of the employer should be valued over the rights of the worker who you won't even recognize as having rights. You have a property (gold) based value system.
 
In this case being discussed you think the rights of the employer should be valued over the rights of the worker who you won't even recognize as having rights. You have a property (gold) based value system.

Do you think all employers are rich people? Because you said that I support rich people making the rules.

Let's settle this up front right away. What do you consider "rich?"
 
Trying to think of the liberties I have lost lately.........nope, none come to mind.


Hmmm... hundreds of thousands of Americans are on the "no fly" list without due process, and without any way to petition the government for redress.

The Supreme Court has ruled the government can take your property through eminent domain and give it to a condo developer.

The Court also ruled that running a drug dog around your car is not a "search" in violation of the 4th amendment.

Not only that, courts have ruled it is legal to put up a roadblock to search for drunken drivers without probable cause on any particular driver.

Our rights are being chipped away before our very eyes and you give this flippant reply. Unbelievable.
 
Hmmm... hundreds of thousands of Americans are on the "no fly" list without due process, and without any way to petition the government for redress.

The Supreme Court has ruled the government can take your property through eminent domain and give it to a condo developer.

The Court also ruled that running a drug dog around your car is not a "search" in violation of the 4th amendment.

Not only that, courts have ruled it is legal to put up a roadblock to search for drunken drivers without probable cause on any particular driver.

Our rights are being chipped away before our very eyes and you give this flippant reply. Unbelievable.
Hundreds of thousands of Americans? Really? Did you get that number from Marco Rubio? I think you are off by a zero or two.

Eminent domain has always been a controversial topic, nothing new there.

And if I'm not driving under the influence or transporting contraband, the others don't exactly cause me irreparable harm either.

Stop being so melodramatic. Take a few breaths in and out of a paper sack or something. I'm sorry your life sucks.
 
Do you think all employers are rich people? Because you said that I support rich people making the rules.

Let's settle this up front right away. What do you consider "rich?"
The ones with the gold. I said you support gold making the rules to protect gold. You have a property based value system.
 
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