Bottom line, this program has plateaued unless we significantly upgrade recruiting.

[Roy L Fuchs]

Face it, each year we have a couple nice players, but no one else would start for any other BIG Ten team except Northwestern. To go to the next level, we need to get the occasional top 50 recruit along with several in the top 100. Our recruiting has been a C- over the years. This was the year to make a run, get some positive national attention, and possibly attract higher caliber recruits. But instead, WE PISSED DOWN OUR F’N LEG! So, we will continue to be mired in mediocrity until recruiting changes.

 

[Michael1969]

Face it, each year we have a couple nice players, but no one else would start for any other BIG Ten team except Northwestern. To go to the next level, we need to get the occasional top 50 recruit along with several in the top 100. Our recruiting has been a C- over the years. This was the year to make a run, get some positive national attention, and possibly attract higher caliber recruits. But instead, WE PISSED DOWN OUR F’N LEG! So, we will continue to be mired in mediocrity until recruiting changes.

The thing is you can do all the recruiting in the world, but it still doesn't guarantee success. Especially in this era of college sports. The transfers, players declaring for the NBA draft, and now we have NILs, where the players are essentially free agents after each and every season. The better players are going to go to the highest bidder.

 

[CO_hawk]

You would think the last three years should send some talent this way.

 

[jonesy5960]

Yeah but the Hawks could start recruiting like Duke, and Fran could start coaching like Krzyzewski, and you'd still have this weird, angry Roy Fuchs persona. Only it would make even less sense than it does today. So is that what you really want?

 

[monoman3232]

Recruiting to Iowa is difficult. Always has been and always will be.

 

[Roy L Fuchs]

Yeah but the Hawks could start recruiting like Duke, and Fran could start coaching like Krzyzewski, and you'd still have this weird, angry Roy Fuchs persona. Only it would make even less sense than it does today. So is that what you really want?

Let’s first begin recruiting at Duke’s level, then we’ll see what happens.

 

[JonasGrumpy]

Recruiting to Iowa is difficult. Always has been and always will be.

FALSE

 

[Roy L Fuchs]

Recruiting to Iowa is difficult. Always has been and always will be.

And, has always been the excuse for mediocrity. I’m sure many a Gonzaga fan told themselves the same thing to make themselves feel better. Not quite the case. Each year there are about 25 5* recruits and 100 4* recruits. That’s 100 5* recruits and 400 4* recruits over 4 years. We average 1 or 2 4* recruits out of 400 over every rolling 4 year period. THAT IS PATHETIC AND WHY THIS PROGRAM IS THE MEDIOCRE SHIT STORM IT HAS BEEN AND WILL CONTINUE TO BE.

 

[mooresville hawk]

Face it, each year we have a couple nice players, but no one else would start for any other BIG Ten team except Northwestern. To go to the next level, we need to get the occasional top 50 recruit along with several in the top 100. Our recruiting has been a C- over the years. This was the year to make a run, get some positive national attention, and possibly attract higher caliber recruits. But instead, WE PISSED DOWN OUR F’N LEG! So, we will continue to be mired in mediocrity until recruiting changes.

What are you doing to help attract those top 50 recruits Roy? Have you ponied up some NIL money? If not, then you are part of the problem. I am sure your attitude towards the current players will help🤣.

A tie for fourth in the league and winning the B10 Tournament does not qualify for mediocrity. I would like a I see some success in the NCAA tournament as well, but I am not going to denigrate what the players and coaches have accomplished until that happens.

 

[General Tso]

Recruiting to Iowa is difficult. Always has been and always will be.

George Raveling and Lute Olson say hi

 

[Roy L Fuchs]

What are you doing to help attract those top 50 recruits Roy? Have you ponied up some NIL money? If not, then you are part of the problem. I am sure your attitude towards the current players will help🤣.

A tie for fourth in the league and winning the B10 Tournament does not qualify for mediocrity. I would like a I see some success in the NCAA tournament as well, but I am not going to denigrate what the players and coaches have accomplished until that happens.

142 losses in the past 10 years is mediocrity personified!

 

[ZumaHawk]

Not sure why but I’ll try to explain something……odds are Roy won’t agree anyway!
I agree that it would be nice to have better recruits or athletes. With that being said it proves 1 of 2 things. If our players wouldn’t start on any other Big 10 team other than NW ……..it goes to show that Fran is a really good coach or all the other coaches aren’t very good coaches with the talent they have. It can’t be both ways imo.

 

[mooresville hawk]

100 losses in the past 10 years is mediocrity personified

No it is not. That averages out to 10 losses per year. Iowa is averaging over 20 wins a year during that time period. Many of us would like to see more, but that is not mediocrity.

 

[kwik44]

I think it was bad they won the BTT and subsequently got major recognition. They lost the hunger.

I still liked them as the dark horse team to be the one to get to Sweet 16 as a 6 or 7 seed. They over shot it.

 

[mooresville hawk]

Not sure why but I’ll try to explain something……odds are Roy won’t agree anyway!
I agree that it would be nice to have better recruits or athletes. With that being said it proves 1 of 2 things. If our players wouldn’t start on any other Big 10 team other than NW ……..it goes to show that Fran is a really good coach or all the other coaches aren’t very good coaches with the talent they have. It can’t be both ways imo.

I mentioned this in one of Roy’s other rants when he said Iowa had MAC caliber players, which he conveniently ignored.

 

[TritonHawkeye]

I think "Significant" is a drastic reach for the dramatic. Last year the Hawks had the talent, but also had bad luck. Nunge, Bohannon and Fredrick all key players that either were out or impacted by injuries. The talent was there...

This season Keegan helped raise the team much higher than the overall skill by his ability alone. The team didn't need a 5* recruit but they did need another C. Rebracca has shown that he can play in the b10 but he would be a reserve on the upper division teams. Hawks needed another 5 to play 20+ min but decided not to pursue. I am not sure if Fran felt that either Josh or Mulvey would be that guy but he missed. For next season he needs to find a starting level big and a guard that can shoot and penetrate. He gets those along with the returners this team has a chance to be very good.

 

[mooresville hawk]

I think it was bad they won the BTT and subsequently got major recognition. They lost the hunger.

I still liked them as the dark horse team to be the one to get to Sweet 16 as a 6 or 7 seed. They over shot it.

The way this team finished the year got everyone excited. Many of us bought in that they were a top team and had a great chance to at least make the Sweet Sixteen. They had a poor game against Richmond, which really sucked. No one feels worse about it than the players. That does not diminish what they did during the season and winning the B10 tournament though.

Fran does need to figure out how to take this program further into the NCAA tournament though. The tournament is a guard driven tournament. Hopefully, Bowen will be part of the answer.

 

[Whiskeydeltadeltatango]

Defense travels. The best defensive teams under Fran have been average at best.

 

[Roy L Fuchs]

No it is not. That averages out to 10 losses per year. Iowa is averaging over 20 wins a year during that time period. Many of us would like to see more, but that is not mediocrity.

I corrected it....we've had 142 LOSSES IN THE PAST TEN YEARS!! MEDICORE TO POOR IS WHAT THAT SHIT SHOW IS!!!

 

[moondog24]

No it is not. That averages out to 10 losses per year. Iowa is averaging over 20 wins a year during that time period. Many of us would like to see more, but that is not mediocrity.

20 wins a year due in large part to cupcake non conference play. Averaging a little over 9 wins a year in the Big Ten, .520 winning percentage. Fran recruits good guys who don’t embarrass the University, guys usually graduate and they usually play an entertaining style of offensive basketball. Maybe that’s enough. The BTT championship was certainly a plus, maybe that’s enough (1 every 12 years) to make up for the lack of regular season titles or advancing to the Sweet 16, or even the round of 32 most years.

 

[Ronman]

And, has always been the excuse for mediocrity. I’m sure many a Gonzaga fan told themselves the same thing to make themselves feel better. Not quite the case. Each year there are about 25 5* recruits and 100 4* recruits. That’s 100 5* recruits and 400 4* recruits over 4 years. We average 1 or 2 4* recruits out of 400 over every rolling 4 year period. THAT IS PATHETIC AND WHY THIS PROGRAM IS THE MEDIOCRE SHIT STORM IT HAS BEEN AND WILL CONTINUE TO BE.

Damn! It took you three posts to throw out your patented "SHIT STORM." That there's some real restraint on your part!

 

[tippet1]

Let’s first begin recruiting at Duke’s level, then we’ll see what happens.

Duke is one of the most corrupt schools out there. Now with the NIL, they can continue without any consequences.

 

[Roy L Fuchs]

Damn! It took you three posts to throw out your patented "SHIT STORM." That there's some real restraint on your part!

Well, until it stops being a shit storm, a shit storm it will be.

 

[TampaHawkfan]

Iowa still had the talent to get to at least the Sweet 16 this year (and last year).

Just got to show up for the tournament.

There's no reason a 2 and 5 seed should fare so poorly in the big dance.

 

[Whiskeydeltadeltatango]

Duke is one of the most corrupt schools out there. Now with the NIL, they can continue without any consequences.

The NCAA showed its hand long ago that it didn't actually give a shit.

 

[Roy L Fuchs]

What are you doing to help attract those top 50 recruits Roy? Have you ponied up some NIL money? If not, then you are part of the problem. I am sure your attitude towards the current players will help🤣.

A tie for fourth in the league and winning the B10 Tournament does not qualify for mediocrity. I would like a I see some success in the NCAA tournament as well, but I am not going to denigrate what the players and coaches have accomplished until that happens.

142 losses in ten years qualifies as success in your book? Averaging close to 10 conference losses per year over the past 10 years is good??? IT"S INFECTED PUS FILLED SHIT!

 

[mooresville hawk]

I corrected it....we've had 142 LOSSES IN THE PAST TEN YEARS!! MEDICORE TO POOR IS WHAT THAT SHIT SHOW IS!!!

You are a great keyboard warrior Roy! Don’t stroke out on us as we need the entertainment. You do have some valid points, but they get lost in some of your hysterical posts.

 

[tippet1]

The NCAA showed its hand long ago that it didn't actually give a shit.

It will be interesting to see if Scheyer can do as good of a job at cheating as Coach K did.

 

[mooresville hawk]

20 wins a year due in large part to cupcake non conference play. Averaging a little over 9 wins a year in the Big Ten, .520 winning percentage. Fran recruits good guys who don’t embarrass the University, guys usually graduate and they usually play an entertaining style of offensive basketball. Maybe that’s enough. The BTT championship was certainly a plus, maybe that’s enough (1 every 12 years) to make up for the lack of regular season titles or advancing to the Sweet 16, or even the round of 32 most years.

I do see what you are saying and agree. I was just using total wins and losses per Roy’s original argument.

You do bring up an interesting point in regards to Fran’s style of play being entertaining. The football and basketball programs are in somewhat similar situations, both are slightly above average with the hope that they can be more with a special season. Kirk has had more success than Fran, but there are numerous complaints about how the style of play is not entertaining.

Some fans claim that they would be happier if the football program was at least more entertaining with Iowa scoring more points. This board has shown that to be false as the basketball program has been quite entertaining on the offensive end under Fran, but that has not curtailed much of the criticism.

 

[monoman3232]

George Raveling and Lute Olson say hi

Raveling cheated and Olson's recruiting results are not much different than Fran's.

 

[mooresville hawk]

142 losses in ten years qualifies as success in your book? Averaging close to 10 conference losses per year over the past 10 years is good??? IT"S INFECTED PUS FILLED SHIT!

I mentioned nothing about the success of the program in the post you responded. I asked what you were doing to try and help attract the top level recruits you demand.

 

[Whiskeydeltadeltatango]

I mentioned nothing about the success of the program in the post you responded. I asked what you were doing to try and help attract the top level recruits you demand.

I crush carver cones. Hope this helps.

 

[Steve Waite]

Roy, I get it you’re mad. You want more wins, sweet 16 appearances, etc..
We all do!
However, your approach is a little aggressive!
A team that wins 4 games in 4 days and is crowned BTT Champions isn’t a shit show!.
Fran needs to recruit better PG’s and actually land them, NIL money needs to kick in. We need sponsors, it’s legal cheating! If you want to play with the big boys, you have to have the money!
Fran has a eye for talent, but he can’t do it al, by himself!

 

[mooresville hawk]

I crush carver cones. Hope this helps.

It cannot hurt🤣

 

[SotaHawk87]

I corrected it....we've had 142 LOSSES IN THE PAST TEN YEARS!! MEDICORE TO POOR IS WHAT THAT SHIT SHOW IS!!!

Lololol…. Lololololol!!!! Poor? That’s better than what 75% of power 5 schools??

 

[paladinhawk]

Not sure why but I’ll try to explain something……odds are Roy won’t agree anyway!
I agree that it would be nice to have better recruits or athletes. With that being said it proves 1 of 2 things. If our players wouldn’t start on any other Big 10 team other than NW ……..it goes to show that Fran is a really good coach or all the other coaches aren’t very good coaches with the talent they have. It can’t be both ways imo.

Or with mediocre coaching and lousy talent we must be extra lucky to finish in the top 1/2 of the Big10 and win the conference toiurnament.

 

[Rambler Hawk]

I think "Significant" is a drastic reach for the dramatic. Last year the Hawks had the talent, but also had bad luck. Nunge, Bohannon and Fredrick all key players that either were out or impacted by injuries. The talent was there...

This season Keegan helped raise the team much higher than the overall skill by his ability alone. The team didn't need a 5* recruit but they did need another C. Rebracca has shown that he can play in the b10 but he would be a reserve on the upper division teams. Hawks needed another 5 to play 20+ min but decided not to pursue. I am not sure if Fran felt that either Josh or Mulvey would be that guy but he missed. For next season he needs to find a starting level big and a guard that can shoot and penetrate. He gets those along with the returners this team has a chance to be very good.

spot on post

 

[iahawks10]

I crush carver cones. Hope this helps.

You’ve never stepped foot in Carver. Who you bullshittin’?

 

[Whiskeydeltadeltatango]

You’ve never stepped foot in Carver. Who you bullshittin’?

Did that sound funny in your head?

 

[iahawks10]

Did that sound funny in your head?

Sounded truthful. Was it intended to be funny?