Brands on 125/Recruiting
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Need to be more aggressive on recruits that are on the hook. Not his style but has to be done.
Need to have 14 scholarships. Not gonna happen.
Need top guys to take less money. Not gonna happen.
Pleased with Lugo. Doesn't have to redshirt.
Downey still a potential transfer.
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14 scholarships will never happen, so don't even bother bringing it up. It would literally kill the sport. Other teams are doing a better job managing the 9.9 than us. Stop giving recruits that will never start more than 5%. Depth is overrated
Wow. He almost point blank says what we discussed ad nauseam in regards to PSU recruiting. Maybe PSU is legitimately able to make it happen, but Brands sure said making 9.9 scholarships go around with the elite recruits just doesn't happen.
I remember one year Iowa had 2 - 167 pounders out. I think one quit and the 2nd stringer got hurt and the 3rd stringer placed at nationals. This was in Gable's time of course. Gable could bring in the studs back then by the bus load and it looks like Cael can do it now.
Nickal comes from a pretty wealthy family. I am guessing he is not taking much money, similar to Metcalfe when he declined the big money to allow other kids to get it and help the team. (At least that was the rumor). Cael seems to gel more with the richer kids and Brands seems to gel more with the blue collar working kid and farm kid. One of those groups will wrestle for a lot less money than the other can afford to.
Nickal comes from a pretty wealthy family. I am guessing he is not taking much money, similar to Metcalfe when he declined the big money to allow other kids to get it and help the team. (At least that was the rumor). Cael seems to gel more with the richer kids and Brands seems to gel more with the blue collar working kid and farm kid. One of those groups will wrestle for a lot less money than the other can afford to.
I posted about the 9.9 yesterday in the Sigh thread and why Iowa doesnt have recruiting weekends like Virginia Tech just did most people weren't happy with the post it was just my opinion.Sounds like that's the way Brands thinks which is the way lots of coaches in D1 think these days
Same reason we didn't have any problems for 2 and 1/2 decades.... We were on top and everyone knew it.
Tom Brady is the 14th highest paid QB in the NFL, and takes less in hopes that his team spends his leftover money to make the team better...Okay, not a perfect analogy cause Brady's wife(Giselle) makes around 40 million herself. But the point is valid. Some kids are willing to take a little less to wrestle at the school that is likely going to win(and may be have more fun too??).
Vodka: if your question was rhetorical, my bad.
What do Ohio State and Oklahoma State do differently than Iowa. The excuses are wearing thin
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They are not taking less.Same reason we didn't have any problems for 2 and 1/2 decades.... We were on top and everyone knew it.
Tom Brady is the 14th highest paid QB in the NFL, and takes less in hopes that his team spends his leftover money to make the team better...Okay, not a perfect analogy cause Brady's wife(Giselle) makes around 40 million herself. But the point is valid. Some kids are willing to take a little less to wrestle at the school that is likely going to win(and may be have more fun too??).
Vodka: if your question was rhetorical, my bad.
Who does Oklahoma state have coming in? they just got a verbal from Anthony montalvo who is the first top 100 kid they have in the class
Whole different conversation now. Is that an assumption on your part or do you actually know something? I think to most of us it looks a little fishy, but with all of the rumors about RTC money and kids on ROTC money its hard to tell. Or does the NCAA have their hands so full with football and basketball(see Louisville!!) that they dont give a crap about a wrestling team pushing the boundaries?
Or are you just saying they are flat out cheating? Keep in mind I am a lifelong Iowa fan, but I really am curious what you mean.
That's not the 2018 recruiting class, if we're comparing guys coming in this year than we have a much better group of guys coming in.
Sounds like Cael has a chance to coach at Louisville. They might have an opening. Oh, that's basketball, but they have donors who help out recruits also.
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Those are this years seniors. How much scholarship money do you think they get total? .5 to .8 tops. That is all the scholarship money available for 2018 recruits. Several kids transferred out this year. That freed up enough for Lugo, Downey, and Duggan.
Yes, sell the club. Yes, let kids know that you are interested in them even if they are worth more than you can offer them. Yes, let them know that ROTC is available.
This was not going to be a big year for recruiting no matter what. If they get Hidlay this will be a good class with available funds. If they don't get Hidlay they can really work on Brooks while he is at the OTC. (I really like Brooks, but would rather see him commit to PSU then flip to Iowa then the other way).
Unless Murin or Happel are committed to making 133 that was the huge miss this year. Make a new plan and move forward. (Call RBY a couple more times.)
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Those are this years seniors. How much scholarship money do you think they get total? .5 to .8 tops. That is all the scholarship money available for 2018 recruits. Several kids transferred out this year. That freed up enough for Lugo, Downey, and Duggan.
Yes, sell the club. Yes, let kids know that you are interested in them even if they are worth more than you can offer them. Yes, let them know that ROTC is available.
This was not going to be a big year for recruiting no matter what. If they get Hidlay this will be a good class with available funds. If they don't get Hidlay they can really work on Brooks while he is at the OTC. (I really like Brooks, but would rather see him commit to PSU then flip to Iowa then the other way).
Unless Murin or Happel are committed to making 133 that was the huge miss this year. Make a new plan and move forward. (Call RBY a couple more times.)
Excuses? Tom has already publicly come to terms with the fact that he long had an outdated approach to recruiting. He adapted & you saw that in last years class.
Man, the bitch bitch bitching on this board is getting bad. I can't wait for November so we can have some Wrestling discussions on the Wrestling board.
No idea how scholarships are distributed, bet think this is realistic for next year
Lee - 1
Happel - .25
Turk - .25
Lugo - .75
Kem - 1
Brands - .25
AM - 1
Gunther - .25
Young - .5
Wilke - .25
Warner - 1
Holloway - .25
Stoll -1
Cassiopi - 1
Split up another .5 between 133, Costello, and some other backups.
That’s 9, which gives us almost 1 full for someone like Hidlay. Now, I would say that’s a high end estimate. A smart coach is able to get some of those guys on less and free up even more money. Ex: Lee is a bright kid, maybe he gets .5 for academic scholarships and only eats a half. Same with someone like Cassiopi who was originally going to Northwestern.
I’d hope that Iowa has about 2 fulls to work with in this class outside of Brands and Cassiopi who I’ve already factored in.
Your post is very good but I doubt Duggan and Downey are getting anything.
When I was in college no freshman got full rides. We even had top 5 recruiting class. Some of the kids where ranked 1 at there weigh in that class and didn't receive full ride. Freshman are big gamble when it comes to scholarships money burnout being away form over bearing parents partying and girls are big reason why. Not saying times have changed and kids are more focused.
This is an extremely difficult task. I would almost guarantee that Nelson Brands is on 0.0 though and they will give him whatever is left over at the beginning of each year. Some years that may be 1.0 some years that may be 0.0. It just makes sense. Also, Terry makes an excellent salary and maybe he has a rich Uncle who would kick in a little something each year.
Warner and Cassiopi are both brains. I don't know Iowa's breakdown for academic qualifiers based upon high school GPA and achievements such as SAT/ACT scores, but both of these guys (most likely some others as well) would meet just about any benchmark for academic aid.
I had a relative of Sorensen that i work with tell me that he turned down a 3/4 ride and a bump to full ride if he AA's at ISU for 1/4 ride and books to go to Iowa.
If you win, you can get the best guys cheaper. As you guys have said, the Hawks did that for a couple decades. But that was a time before all of the club money came about. That has changed the landscape in my opinion. Penn State has both. They win, and don't have a salary cap as Brands put it.
Another factor that I think hurts iowa sometimes is brands is pretty tight about his wrestlers making extra money doing camps or being clinicians. Brands is focused on the training angle of things witch he should be but a lot of his wrestlers could make a lot of extra cash. Witch cause wrestlers to worry less about scholarships money. I was lucky enough to have good talk with max Thomsen this summer. He talk about doing close to 25 camp besides uni camp. That's a lot of cash. Max said he's getting extra workouts in and getting paid to do it. I have hired 6 Iowa wrestlers over the last few years and they do great job as well. U get to hear how the program is doing and find out a little more about the young men themselves. I'm just saying scholarship money not really big deal if u can make it up academically or being clinician
What does not make sense is how PSU finds so much $$$$$ to bring in multiple top ten guys most every year.
I'm with you on that, but I factored that in because I don't think any that left were getting much. Maybe a half to three quarters between all of them, and Lugo is worth that.
Maybe it is not the dollars that brings them to PSU. Lets face it, when the Hawks were on top, they could get almost any recruit. After they won their 3rd title and were in a "rebuilding year" with Brands, they had one of the best recruiting classes ever. Unfortunately the kids did not pan out and the Hawks have not recovered. (AKA - winning team titles)
The Iowa name doesn't strike fear into everyone nearly as much as it used to and kids have other choices to go and be an NCAA champ. If the Hawks win a couple team titles in a row and start having multiple champs like Lee and Warner etc Watch the attitude change. However the recent big guns for Iowa are 1 time champs and multiple time placers - Clark, Ramos, Gilman, St John, Evans etc. PSU has Taylor, Ruth, Rutherford, Nico, Hall, etc. tOSU has Steiber, Snyder, Jaggers, Tomo, Martin, etc. If you have a tough choice to make, you look around and see what choices others are making. Then you go with the guys who you want to be most like.
Get Lee and Warner a couple titles and you will see quite a shift in the choices kids make in regards to school. IMHO
The complaining about this year's team is such a mute point or should I just say exhausting to listen to. Paul Glynn is working his way down to 25 and Tom doesn't want to force pressure on the kid in case he can't make it. Hawk fans need to chill out bc, YES, this is going to be a "rougher" year. We need to redshirt Lee (knee), Murin (next year's 33er), Lugo and Warner. Sorry, it DOES suck but, us, fans will all be going crazy for 2018-2019. Let's all be big boys and gals and deal with the REALITY.
2017-2018 (not too bad for a down year with 6-7 AAs)
25 Glynn
33 Laux
41 Turk/Happel
49 Sorenson - AA
57 The Dog - AA
65 The Bull - AA
74 Young - AA
84 Downey - AA
97 Wicke - AA?
HWT Stoll - AA
2018-2019
25 Lee
33 Murin/Glynn
41 Turk/Happel
49 Lugo
57 The Dog
65 The Bull
74 Young
84 Wicke
97 Warner
HWT Stoll
2017-2018 (not too bad for a down year with 6-7 AAs)
25 Glynn
33 Laux
41 Turk/Happel
49 Sorenson - AA
57 The Dog - AA
65 The Bull - AA
74 Young - AA
84 Downey - AA
97 Wicke - AA?
HWT Stoll - AA
2018-2019
25 Lee
33 Murin/Glynn
41 Turk/Happel
49 Lugo
57 The Dog
65 The Bull
74 Young
84 Wicke
97 Warner
HWT Stoll
