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Just a different time period right? By all means though let us demon every single little brown person because a small fraction of Muslims are terrorists. By all means let us live in fear and block our borders and really show we are scared of the little brown person. 21st century and we still live in fear of other cultures, it is pathetic. How many "homegrown" deaths have we had this past year from school shootings, gang culture and otherwise "acceptable? violence." But by all means let's shut down our borders because we are so secure inside all ready.

Learned a lot about people and friends these past few days and it is disgusting.
 
It's a great idea to let 100+ people who have declared war on you inside the country, isn't it?
 
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We have been raining down death and destruction on the ME for a quarter century. Undeclared wars, one after another.
Let's just GTFO and stay out.

It's been said : war is the weapon of choice for the rich to terrorize the poor. And terror is the only weapon available when the poor are forced to wage war on the rich.

Muslims are no different than Vietnamese or Koreans, Germans or Japanese. But we must dehumanize them before we can destroy them. The collective conscience of the American sheeple demand this. :rolleyes:
 
We have been raining down death and destruction on the ME for a quarter century. Undeclared wars, one after another.
Let's just GTFO and stay out.

It's been said : war is the weapon of choice for the rich to terrorize the poor. And terror is the only weapon available when the poor are forced to wage war on the rich.

Muslims are no different than Vietnamese or Koreans, Germans or Japanese. But we must dehumanize them before we can destroy them. The collective conscience of the American sheeple demand this. :rolleyes:

ISIS is not poor.
 
Really? How do they plan on stopping that from happening?

Our very rigorous screening system. Of course no system is perfect, and one might slip through here and there, but that's hardly the excuse for the cowardly behavior and abandonment of American principles being displayed by the right in this situation.
 
That's why no one is planning on doing that.
Even the director of the FBI is saying our screening procedures of Syrian refugees are not adequate enough to completely know. So whether we are "planning" on it or not it might well happen
 
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We sure are a cowardly people. We'd watch 10,000 people die because maybe 1 of those 10,000 might be a terrorist.

Not going to support letting thousands of people hung out to dry to be killed by ISIS because we're that afraid of terrorism.

Um...we have been watching them and others die over there by ISIS so now all of sudden we need to do something? The majority of Americans say no.
 
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Even the director of the FBI is saying our screening procedures of Syrian refugees are not adequate enough to completely know. So whether we are "planning" on it or not it might well happen

See, it's all about intentions and feelings, not actions.
 
Our very rigorous screening system. Of course no system is perfect, and one might slip through here and there, but that's hardly the excuse for the cowardly behavior and abandonment of American principles being displayed by the right in this situation.

So you agree that to allow what has been going on for the past few years was cowardly also? Because this administration did nothing has hundreds of thousands have been killed.
 
We have been raining down death and destruction on the ME for a quarter century. Undeclared wars, one after another.
Let's just GTFO and stay out.

It's been said : war is the weapon of choice for the rich to terrorize the poor. And terror is the only weapon available when the poor are forced to wage war on the rich.

Muslims are no different than Vietnamese or Koreans, Germans or Japanese. But we must dehumanize them before we can destroy them. The collective conscience of the American sheeple demand this. :rolleyes:
Another one of the sheep has read the script. It's all our fault.
 
Our very rigorous screening system. Of course no system is perfect, and one might slip through here and there, but that's hardly the excuse for the cowardly behavior and abandonment of American principles being displayed by the right in this situation.

You prove over and over again how ignorant you actually are. We don't have a rigorous screening system for these Syrian refugees.
 
Our very rigorous screening system. Of course no system is perfect, and one might slip through here and there, but that's hardly the excuse for the cowardly behavior and abandonment of American principles being displayed by the right in this situation.

One thing I can't argue is that when it comes to rigorous screening systems, America can't be beaten! Nothing to worry about now, boys...resume your normal activities.



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We sure are a cowardly people. We'd watch 10,000 people die because maybe 1 of those 10,000 might be a terrorist.

Not going to support letting thousands of people hung out to dry to be killed by ISIS because we're that afraid of terrorism.

I say we take them in IF the men of fighting age are willing to be trained in combat so we can go help THEM take their country back. You would think these folks would be willing and wanting to reclaim their homeland.
 
We sure are a cowardly people. We'd watch 10,000 people die because maybe 1 of those 10,000 might be a terrorist.

Not going to support letting thousands of people hung out to dry to be killed by ISIS because we're that afraid of terrorism.

Cowardly?

Let me guess, you've never fought for this country right? Seems to me that you're the afraid of terrorism and a coward.

If you had any common sense what so ever, then you would realize these refugees trying to come over here are already away from ISIS. You are an extremely ignorant person.

You've never risked your life for anything. I have. You're just one of those people who changes his Facebook profile picture to the French flag and think you're actually fighting ISIS. You think your actually doing something about it. When people like you mean to do harm to this country through your own ignorance and stupidity, it makes you just as bad as the terrorists who just killed 150+ in Paris. You're no different from ISIS in my eyes.

You might as strap a bomb to yourself, walk in to your nearest NFL stadium and push the button. It would be the first time you've actually ever done something about anything.
 
I say we take them in IF the men of fighting age are willing to be trained in combat so we can go help THEM take their country back. You would think these folks would be willing and wanting to reclaim their homeland.

Are you one of the posters concerned their are secret jihadis? And you want to train them within our military?

Or you just don't want them in general?
 
Cowardly?

Let me guess, you've never fought for this country right? Seems to me that you're the afraid of terrorism and a coward.

If you had any common sense what so ever, then you would realize these refugees trying to come over here are already away from ISIS. You are an extremely ignorant person.

You've never risked your life for anything. I have. You're just one of those people who changes his Facebook profile picture to the French flag and think you're actually fighting ISIS. You think your actually doing something about it. When people like you mean to do harm to this country through your own ignorance and stupidity, it makes you just as bad as the terrorists who just killed 150+ in Paris. You're no different from ISIS in my eyes.

You might as strap a bomb to yourself, walk in to your nearest NFL stadium and push the button. It would be the first time you've actually ever done something about anything.
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Cowardly?

Let me guess, you've never fought for this country right? Seems to me that you're the afraid of terrorism and a coward.

If you had any common sense what so ever, then you would realize these refugees trying to come over here are already away from ISIS. You are an extremely ignorant person.

You've never risked your life for anything. I have. You're just one of those people who changes his Facebook profile picture to the French flag and think you're actually fighting ISIS. You think your actually doing something about it. When people like you mean to do harm to this country through your own ignorance and stupidity, it makes you just as bad as the terrorists who just killed 150+ in Paris. You're no different from ISIS in my eyes.

You might as strap a bomb to yourself, walk in to your nearest NFL stadium and push the button. It would be the first time you've actually ever done something about anything.

How is it that someone who is for welcoming in refugees is the coward, and the person (you) who is afraid to let them in is not? It appears to me that you're the one who's afraid of terrorism.

Apparently, reading comprehension isn't Garry''s strong point.
 
How is it that someone who is for welcoming in refugees is the coward, and the person (you) who is afraid to let them in is not? It appears to me that you're the one who's afraid of terrorism.


Apparently, reading comprehension isn't Garry''s strong point.

Hey, tell us more about that "Very rigorous system" we have in place to make sure no terrorists come in with the refugees. Of course the FBI has said otherwise, but I'm sure you have everything under control, right? Can you please provide more details or admit you know nothing about it and were just talking out of your a$$?
 
Are you one of the posters concerned their are secret jihadis? And you want to train them within our military?

Or you just don't want them in general?

I'm just a person that believes most able men would be willing to fight for their homeland (particularly when being given ample support) should it be run by a tyrant.

Sure am glad our American revolutionist didn't think the same way as you.
 
Another one of the sheep has read the script. It's all our fault.
A little boy throws rocks at a hornet's nest. When one finally connects, he is swarmed upon and stung repeatedly. He runs crying to Mommy, who soothes the bites and tells him, "It's not your fault. We just need to kill all the terrible hornets so they won't bother you ever again"

That, in a nutshell, is American foreign policy: sheer lunacy.:(
 
A little boy throws rocks at a hornet's nest. When one finally connects, he is swarmed upon and stung repeatedly. He runs crying to Mommy, who soothes the bites and tells him, "It's not your fault. We just need to kill all the terrible hornets so they won't bother you ever again"

That, in a nutshell, is American foreign policy: sheer lunacy.:(

So if I have this straight:
1. The kid is France (in this most recent case)
2. The mom is the USA
3. And the hornets nest is obviously the M.E. and the hornets are the terrorist/M.E. people who become enraged at countries throwing rocks at them.

A very simple portrayal and I don't disagree with it on the surface but I probably wouldn't go telling this analogy around any people who have lost loved ones to terrorist attacks.
 
Hey, tell us more about that "Very rigorous system" we have in place to make sure no terrorists come in with the refugees. Of course the FBI has said otherwise, but I'm sure you have everything under control, right? Can you please provide more details or admit you know nothing about it and were just talking out of your a$$?

Hey, leave him alone, you racist, xenophobic, "abandoner" of american principles!
 
When you are already at war with someone and them with you how do you come to resolution if one side, or both, refuses to come to the bargaining table?

In my mind you have 2 options in a situation like this:

1. Win the war with extreme prejudice and in a swift manner.
2. Let things draw out over decades putting your own citizens at greater risk.

What realistic and workable option, besides all of us converting to Islam thus hating gays/women and hours of daily prayer (which seems to be choice #1 by many here), am I missing?
 
So you agree that to allow what has been going on for the past few years was cowardly also? Because this administration did nothing has hundreds of thousands have been killed.

This is a great point and, IMO, shows the enormity of Obama's failed foreign policy. We have hundreds of thousands of refugees due to inaction 3 years back.

Guys we are in this shit regardless if we want to be or not and will continue to be unless one of you has a Delorian w a flux-capacitor installed. The enemy isn't going to quit at this point even if we pull out, it will only embolden them and turn their focus from defense in their land to offense in ours.

They want you, me, your kids, my kids, your parent, your wife all of us dead and nothing we do will change it. Being passive will not work, withdraw will not work as ISIS isn't interested in negotiating or peace, just death and destruction that they believe will lead to an Islamic state around the world.

As many here know i have been far from anti-Obama like many of the wing-nuts here but at this moment in time, for these purposes, i would rather we had someone else in the WH. His strategy in this area has been a proven failure.
 
So if I have this straight:
1. The kid is France (in this most recent case)
2. The mom is the USA
3. And the hornets nest is obviously the M.E. and the hornets are the terrorist/M.E. people who become enraged at countries throwing rocks at them.

A very simple portrayal and I don't disagree with it on the surface but I probably wouldn't go telling this analogy around any people who have lost loved ones to terrorist attacks.
Pretty close. The boy is US foreign policy. Mom is the US government/media/war profiteers. They work hand in hand. :(
 
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One thing I can't argue is that when it comes to rigorous screening systems, America can't be beaten! Nothing to worry about now, boys...resume your normal activities.



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I'm just a person that believes most able men would be willing to fight for their homeland (particularly when being given ample support) should it be run by a tyrant.

Sure am glad our American revolutionist didn't think the same way as you.

You realize this makes no sense contextually with my post?
 
Just a different time period right? By all means though let us demon every single little brown person because a small fraction of Muslims are terrorists. By all means let us live in fear and block our borders and really show we are scared of the little brown person. 21st century and we still live in fear of other cultures, it is pathetic. How many "homegrown" deaths have we had this past year from school shootings, gang culture and otherwise "acceptable? violence." But by all means let's shut down our borders because we are so secure inside all ready.

Learned a lot about people and friends these past few days and it is disgusting.

Some of you people really need to crack a dictionary.
 
Cowardly?

Let me guess, you've never fought for this country right? Seems to me that you're the afraid of terrorism and a coward.

If you had any common sense what so ever, then you would realize these refugees trying to come over here are already away from ISIS. You are an extremely ignorant person.

You've never risked your life for anything. I have. You're just one of those people who changes his Facebook profile picture to the French flag and think you're actually fighting ISIS. You think your actually doing something about it. When people like you mean to do harm to this country through your own ignorance and stupidity, it makes you just as bad as the terrorists who just killed 150+ in Paris. You're no different from ISIS in my eyes.

You might as strap a bomb to yourself, walk in to your nearest NFL stadium and push the button. It would be the first time you've actually ever done something about anything.
You might want to see someone about that anger issue. I would hate to see ptsd take total control
 
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Just a different time period right? By all means though let us demon every single little brown person because a small fraction of Muslims are terrorists. By all means let us live in fear and block our borders and really show we are scared of the little brown person. 21st century and we still live in fear of other cultures, it is pathetic. How many "homegrown" deaths have we had this past year from school shootings, gang culture and otherwise "acceptable? violence." But by all means let's shut down our borders because we are so secure inside all ready.

Learned a lot about people and friends these past few days and it is disgusting.

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Hey, tell us more about that "Very rigorous system" we have in place to make sure no terrorists come in with the refugees. Of course the FBI has said otherwise, but I'm sure you have everything under control, right? Can you please provide more details or admit you know nothing about it and were just talking out of your a$$?
SECURITY SCREENING OF REFUGEES ADMITTED TO THE UNITED STATES: A DETAILED, RIGOROUS PROCESS
2231 Crystal Drive, Suite 350 • Arlington,VA 22202 • Tel: (703)310.1130 • Fax: (703)769.4241
www.refugees.org
Resettlement is considered a durable solution for refugees who cannot return to their countries of origin or integrate into the current country that is hosting them. Resettlement to a country like the U.S. presents a life-saving alternative for a very small number of refugees around the world (less than one half of one percent). Refugees seeking resettlement in the United States must pass through a number of steps aimed at ensuring that they will not pose a security risk to the United States.
—STEP 1 Refugee Status:
In most cases the UN High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR) determines that the individual qualifies as a refugee under international law.
A
refugee
is someone who has fled from his or her home country and cannot return because he or she has a well-founded fear of persecution based on religion, race, nationality, political opinion or membership in a particu-lar social group
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—STEP 2 Referral to the United States:
A refugee that meets one of the criteria for resettlement in the United States is referred to the U.S. government by UNHCR, a U.S. Embassy, or a trained Non-Gov-ernmental Organization.
—STEP 3 Resettlement Support Center:
A Resettlement Support Center (RSC), contracted by the U.S. Department of State, compiles the refugee’s personal data and background information for the se-curity clearance process and to present to the U.S. Department of Homeland Security (DHS) for an in-person interview.
—STEP 4 Security Clearance Process:
With information collected by the RSC, a number of security checks are conducted. The State Department runs the names of all refugees referred to the United States for resettlement through a standard CLASS (Consular Lookout and Support System) name check. In addition, enhanced interagency security checks were phased in beginning in 2008 and applied to all refugee applicants by 2010.
STEP 5 Security Clearance Process:
Certain refugees undergo an additional security review called a Se-curity Advisory Opinion (SAO). These cases require a positive SAO clearance from a number of U.S. law enforcement and intelligence agencies in order to continue the resettlement process. When required, this step runs concurrently with Step 4.
U.S. COMMITTEE FOR REFUGEES AND IMMIGRANTS
*Note that under limited circumstances, refugee applicants may be interviewed in their home country rather than in a country of asylum.
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STEP 6 Security Clearance Process:
Refugees who meet the minimum age requirement have their finger-prints and photograph taken by a trained U.S. government employee, usually on the same day as their DHS interview. The fingerprints are then checked against various U.S. government databases and information on any matches is reviewed by DHS.
—STEP 7 In-person Interview:
All refugee applicants are interviewed by an officer from
DHS’s U.S. Citizen-ship and Immigration Services (USCIS)
. A trained officer will travel to the country of asylum* to conduct a detailed, face-to- face interview with each refugee applicant being considered for resettle-ment. Based on the information in the refugee’s case file and on the interview, the DHS officer will determine if the individual qualifies as a refugee and is admissible under U.S. law.
STEP 8DHS Approval:
If the USCIS officer finds that the individual qualifies as a refugee and meets other U.S. admission criteria, the officer will conditionally approve the refugee’s application for resettlement and submit it to the U.S. Department of State for final processing. Conditional approvals become final once the results of all security checks (Steps 4, 5, and 6) have been received and cleared.
—STEP 9 Medical Screening:
All refugee applicants approved for resettlement in the U.S. are required to undergo medical screening conducted by the International Organization for Migration or a physician designated by the U.S. Embassy.
STEP 10Matching Refugees with a Sponsor Agency:
Every refugee is assigned to a Voluntary Agency in the U.S., such as the U.S. Committee for Refugees and Immigrants (USCRI). USCRI will place refu-gees with a local partner agency or office that will assist refugees upon their arrival in the U.S.

STEP 11Cultural Orientation:
In addition, refugees approved for resettlement are offered cultural orienta- tion while waiting for final processing, to prepare them for their journey to and initial resettlement in the United States.
—STEP 12Security Clearance Process:
Prior to departure to the U.S., a second interagency check is con-ducted for most refugees to check for any new information. Refugees must clear this check in order to depart to the U.S.
STEP 13 Admission to the United States:
Upon arrival at one of five U.S. airports designated as ports of entry for refugee admissions, a Customs and Border Protection (CBP) officer will review the refugee documentation and conduct additional security checks to ensure that the arriving refugee is the same person who was screened and approved for admission to the United States.
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A quick look at social media today reveals that many of the same people who imagined the US was "minding its own business" prior to 9/11 now seem to be under the impression that France has a hands-off approach in the Middle East and surrounding areas.

[RELATED: France's Military Spending in Global Context.]

Of course, this position is even more ridiculous since the French have an even longer and arguably more brutal history than the US when it comes to Syria, Lebanon, North Africa, and more.

The Atlantic today has published a helpful summary of French meddling in Africa and the Middle East in recent years. Since September 2014, for example, the French government has engaged in 200 bombing raids in the middle east. The ones conducted on Sunday in retaliation for the Paris murders, was the just one of many:

France has reportedly launched some 200 strikes in Iraq. The French task force is centered around the aircraft carrier Charles de Gaulle, which is currently stationed in the Persian Gulf. According to AFP, French air capacity in the region includes 21 Rafale fighters, nine Super Etendard fighters, and some Mirage jets. (By way of comparison, the U.S. says it has launched nearly 6,400 airstrikes in Syria and Iraq.)

Meanwhile, the French have seen some mission-creep. A year to the month after commencing airstrikes in Iraq, France began flying missions in Syria as well. “In Syria, so long as we haven’t found a political solution; so long as we haven’t destroyed this terrorist group, Islamic State; so long as we haven’t got rid of Bashar Assad; we will not find a solution,” Prime Minister Manuel Valls told Christiane Amanpour in September. In October, French strikes hit an ISIS camp in Raqqa, rumored to be housing foreign fighters including French nationals. Last week, French officials said planes had struck an ISIS-controlled oil refinery in Syria.

https://mises.org/blog/long-history-french-military-intervention-middle-east-and-africa

More little boys throwing rocks at hornet nests?? :confused:
 
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As long as the refugees go through the screening process I think we should absolutely admit them...to do otherwise just isn't the American way as I see it.

I live in Germany....the problem here is the "refugees" weren't and aren't being screened properly. Open borders...

There are a lot of "refugees" from Morocco, Egypt, Libya, Sudan, Bulgaria (yes, old eastern bloc countries) ect ect that want a piece of the Mamma Merkal pie..... ISIS a-holes have undoubtedly slipped in as well and the Germans are just now coming to the realization that they seriously F'd up by not controlling the flow of "refugees"......

Back to the original point...as long as these folks are thoroughly screened I see no reason to stray from what we stand for as a country.
 
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A quick look at social media today reveals that many of the same people who imagined the US was "minding its own business" prior to 9/11 now seem to be under the impression that France has a hands-off approach in the Middle East and surrounding areas.

[RELATED: France's Military Spending in Global Context.]

Of course, this position is even more ridiculous since the French have an even longer and arguably more brutal history than the US when it comes to Syria, Lebanon, North Africa, and more.

The Atlantic today has published a helpful summary of French meddling in Africa and the Middle East in recent years. Since September 2014, for example, the French government has engaged in 200 bombing raids in the middle east. The ones conducted on Sunday in retaliation for the Paris murders, was the just one of many:

France has reportedly launched some 200 strikes in Iraq. The French task force is centered around the aircraft carrier Charles de Gaulle, which is currently stationed in the Persian Gulf. According to AFP, French air capacity in the region includes 21 Rafale fighters, nine Super Etendard fighters, and some Mirage jets. (By way of comparison, the U.S. says it has launched nearly 6,400 airstrikes in Syria and Iraq.)

Meanwhile, the French have seen some mission-creep. A year to the month after commencing airstrikes in Iraq, France began flying missions in Syria as well. “In Syria, so long as we haven’t found a political solution; so long as we haven’t destroyed this terrorist group, Islamic State; so long as we haven’t got rid of Bashar Assad; we will not find a solution,” Prime Minister Manuel Valls told Christiane Amanpour in September. In October, French strikes hit an ISIS camp in Raqqa, rumored to be housing foreign fighters including French nationals. Last week, French officials said planes had struck an ISIS-controlled oil refinery in Syria.

https://mises.org/blog/long-history-french-military-intervention-middle-east-and-africa

More little boys throwing rocks at hornet nests?? :confused:

This post ignores quite a bit.
 
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