Cary Kolat

[Kinnick.At.Night]

I read an old article about Kolat recently that mentioned how much he idolized Dan Gable as a kid. What I’m wondering is if he ever considered Iowa when it was time to pick a college? Did Gable recruit him? He had to have been the top recruit in the country at that time.

 

[DonHawkeye]

I read an old article about Kolat recently that mentioned how much he idolized Dan Gable as a kid. What I’m wondering is if he ever considered Iowa when it was time to pick a college? Did Gable recruit him? He had to have been the top recruit in the country at that time.

I can't remember a ton of interest being shown by either party. Gable didn't have many need weights around that time. Especially at the lower weights. He had the Steiner's, McGinness, Ironside, Mac all around there. Can't remember if Ironside McGinness were the same recruiting year or not. While Kolat may have been different than most, the mega-recruits were not as surefire back then. And East coast guys were certainly not looked upon as well as they are now.

Guys like Kolat he almost anti-recruited. Make them show interest in Iowa and hence the interest in working harder than most programs. It backfired a few times I am sure, Kolat Fried... but it probably weeded out more trouble than the few he missed out on.

 

[anon_4lz6x5o7izepf]

Gable didn't have many need weights around that time. Especially at the lower weights. He had the Steiner's, McGinness, Ironside, Mac all around there. Can't remember if Ironside McGinness were the same recruiting year or not.

They were the same class, 1993. Iowa was loaded with D1 high school recruits in those years.

 

[ginormous.headed.circus.midget]

They were the same class, 1993. Iowa was loaded with D1 high school recruits in those years.

They were actually a year apart.

Kolat was a true freshman along with aLincoln MacIllravy. Kolat wrestled Troy Steiner at 134. Steiner won Big 10’s becoming a 4 X Champ but upset Steiner at nationals.

Ironside, Maguiness and Williams were the following year.

 

[anon_4lz6x5o7izepf]

They were actually a year apart.

Kolat was a true freshman along with aLincoln MacIllravy. Kolat wrestled Troy Steiner at 134. Steiner won Big 10’s becoming a 4 X Champ but upset Steiner at nationals.

Ironside, Maguiness and Williams were the following year.

Sorry I misread the OP. I meant Ironside and McGuiness were in the same class.

 

[mcpat]

Iowa was down 5 scholarships in the early 1990s (for being 5 scholarships over the limit throughout the late 70s and 1980s). Kolat was the best high school wrestler in over a decade at that point. If Iowa was short on scholarships at the time, it might have been tough to attract him.

 

[dtripp26]

They were actually a year apart.

Kolat was a true freshman along with aLincoln MacIllravy. Kolat wrestled Troy Steiner at 134. Steiner won Big 10’s becoming a 4 X Champ but upset Steiner at nationals.

Thanks for that gut punch! Steiner was a massive favorite at 42 and made a huge sacrifice for the team to cut to 34 to get Lincoln in the lineup.

 

[Kinnick.At.Night]

Nice info here. It must have been amazing watching Kolat take third at the Midlands while still in high school! I found this title match from his high school days. What a destroyer he was.

 

[WPB_lion]

I can't remember a ton of interest being shown by either party. Gable didn't have many need weights around that time. Especially at the lower weights. He had the Steiner's, McGinness, Ironside, Mac all around there. Can't remember if Ironside McGinness were the same recruiting year or not. While Kolat may have been different than most, the mega-recruits were not as surefire back then. And East coast guys were certainly not looked upon as well as they are now.

Guys like Kolat he almost anti-recruited. Make them show interest in Iowa and hence the interest in working harder than most programs. It backfired a few times I am sure, Kolat Fried... but it probably weeded out more trouble than the few he missed out on.

I know that wrestling only began in 2011, but I am pretty sure that in 1992, it was clear that the state where the most College All Americans originated from was Pennsylvania, and Western Pennsylvania (which is where Kolat was from) was the hottest area in Pennsylvania. So I do not think the bolded portion of your post has anything to do with whether or not Iowa had any interest in Kolat.

 

[mcpat]

I know that wrestling only began in 2011, but I am pretty sure that in 1992, it was clear that the state where the most College All Americans originated from was Pennsylvania, and Western Pennsylvania (which is where Kolat was from) was the hottest area in Pennsylvania. So I do not think the bolded portion of your post has anything to do with whether or not Iowa had any interest in Kolat.

You all do realize that PA has 11 (eleven) Division 1 wrestling programs, right?

 

[WPB_lion]

You all do realize that PA has 11 (eleven) Division 1 wrestling programs, right?

When I stated that the "most College All Americans originated from Pennsylvania," I was referring to where they went to high school, not where they went to college.

 

[Mendoza77]

You all do realize that PA has 11 (eleven) Division 1 wrestling programs, right?

No one here on the IOWA HAWKEYES WRESTLING board knew that, thank you so much for educating us (note the sarcasm). Your post is indicative of why PSU wrestling fans are not welcomed on this board.

 

[el dub]

I can't remember a ton of interest being shown by either party. Gable didn't have many need weights around that time. Especially at the lower weights. He had the Steiner's, McGinness, Ironside, Mac all around there. Can't remember if Ironside McGinness were the same recruiting year or not. While Kolat may have been different than most, the mega-recruits were not as surefire back then. And East coast guys were certainly not looked upon as well as they are now.

Guys like Kolat he almost anti-recruited. Make them show interest in Iowa and hence the interest in working harder than most programs. It backfired a few times I am sure, Kolat Fried... but it probably weeded out more trouble than the few he missed out on.

And you can’t argue with the success…

 

[Trapper85]

You all do realize that PA has 11 (eleven) Division 1 wrestling programs, right?

Did not. Thanks. Guess I got me a new rivalry slogan now. "Iowa has almost 3 (three) times as many titles as all 11 (eleven) PA programs combined". By my math, that makes Iowa 33 (thirty-three) times better than PA, without even including Iowa State titles (just couldn't force myself to do that).

 

[mcpat]

I’m not welcome on “your board” because when it is said that PA wrestlers weren’t always thought of as being very good, I point out that PA has supported many more D1 programs than any other state? Why be like that?

 

[mcpat]

When I stated that the "most College All Americans originated from Pennsylvania," I was referring to where they went to high school, not where they went to college.

Sorry; I was backing you (not arguing).

 

[el dub]

I’m not welcome on “your board” because when it is said that PA wrestlers weren’t always thought of as being very good, I point out that PA has supported many more D1 programs than any other state? Why be like that?

Well, you must be new here.

Keep your eye peeled for the illegal fists to the back, mate. They’re notorious for that around these parts…

 

[Kwoodhawk]

I’m not welcome on “your board” because when it is said that PA wrestlers weren’t always thought of as being very good, I point out that PA has supported many more D1 programs than any other state? Why be like that?

Wrong again. You're not welcome here because of your uninformed take on how many duals PSU (2) and Iowa (1) had on the same weekend a while back when you tried to make it some big conspiracy. And your continued annoying take on it when it was pointed out to you that neither team had control of that scheduling.

You just had to keep going on and on about how interesting it was like it was some sort of conspiracy. Like you knew something nobody else saw. You seemed pretty full of yourself. Even though you were wrong.

We could see you didn't know what you were talking about and that you were not up to taking correction and admiting you were wrong.

That was your self introduction to us. And it did not go over well.

You talked yourself to a lower place on the list of valued posters pretty quick.

 

[mcpat]

Wrong again. You're not welcome here because of your uninformed take on how many duals PSU (2) and Iowa (1) had on the same weekend a while back when you tried to make it some big conspiracy. And your continued annoying take on it when it was pointed out to you that neither team had control of that scheduling.

You just had to keep going on and on about how interesting it was like it was some sort of conspiracy. Like you knew something nobody else saw. You seemed pretty full of yourself. Even though you were wrong.

We could see you didn't know what you were talking about and that you were not up to taking correction and admiting you were wrong.

That was your self introduction to us. And it did not go over well.

You talked yourself to a lower place on the list of valued posters pretty quick.

Never said or implied that it was a conspiracy against Iowa, but nice try. On the scheduling issue, someone said they couldn’t have had a dual because the Big Ten controls scheduling. I said they could have scheduled a non-conference dual if the wanted one. Didn’t say they should have, only that they could have. Such a silly thing for you to be so upset about, still, weeks later. The best part was that I posted it on the PSU board. Not here.

My point, when posting it (on the PSU board) was that Penn State had two away meets, 7 and 5 days before wrestling at Iowa while Iowa only had one 7 days before the big match. I thought it put Penn State at a disadvantage. I stand by that. Penn State was traveling home, by bus, from Michigan on Monday, 4 days before wrestling at Iowa. They had wrestled twice over the weekend away from home, staying in hotels and out of their normal routine. In his post-match remarks after the Iowa dual, Cael even talked about theses difficulties. Truth be told, I felt validated when he did.

It all got twisted up like a pretzel on your board. Someone would post “you’re saying….” to which I would then explain that’s not at all what I said or meant. The whole thing got so ridiculous. Over something so innocuous.

I’m just trying to talk wrestling with other people that like wrestling, with some friendly banter with my favorite team’s rival’s fans.

 

[nearfall2]

Did not. Thanks. Guess I got me a new rivalry slogan now. "Iowa has almost 3 (three) times as many titles as all 11 (eleven) PA programs combined". By my math, that makes Iowa 33 (thirty-three) times better than PA, without even including Iowa State titles (just couldn't force myself to do that).

Maybe your slogan could be “Tiny Cornell College has more NCAA D1 titles than 10 out of 11 PA D1 teams.” 🤔

 

[Kwoodhawk]

Never said or implied that it was a conspiracy against Iowa, but nice try. On the scheduling issue, someone said they couldn’t have had a dual because the Big Ten controls scheduling. I said they could have scheduled a non-conference dual if the wanted one. Didn’t say they should have, only that they could have. Such a silly thing for you to be so upset about, still, weeks later. The best part was that I posted it on the PSU board. Not here.

My point, when posting it (on the PSU board) was that Penn State had two away meets, 7 and 5 days before wrestling at Iowa while Iowa only had one 7 days before the big match. I thought it put Penn State at a disadvantage. I stand by that. Penn State was traveling home, by bus, from Michigan on Monday, 4 days before wrestling at Iowa. They had wrestled twice over the weekend away from home, staying in hotels and out of their normal routine. In his post-match remarks after the Iowa dual, Cael even talked about theses difficulties. Truth be told, I felt validated when he did.

It all got twisted up like a pretzel on your board. Someone would post “you’re saying….” to which I would then explain that’s not at all what I said or meant. The whole thing got so ridiculous. Over something so innocuous.

I’m just trying to talk wrestling with other people that like wrestling, with some friendly banter with my favorite team’s rival’s fans.

Interesting. So you only posted it on the PSU board which I have not visited for 10-11 years or so. How did I read your posts about it then? HOW? It appears you are not very accurate. It appears that you are trying to explain yourself with false information in hopes we might not remember truthfully. Do you work in the Media?

And your posts on this board were not about a conspiracy AGAINST Iowa. You were implying the scheduling was done BY Iowa to gain an unfair advantage over PSU. Funny way to start trying to talk wrestling with other people on a rivals own board. I'd say you failed miserably on your first try.

Do you understand how poorly you came across when you started posting here yet and why we would view anything you post sceptically?

 

[manmythlegend1]

Did not. Thanks. Guess I got me a new rivalry slogan now. "Iowa has almost 3 (three) times as many titles as all 11 (eleven) PA programs combined". By my math, that makes Iowa 33 (thirty-three) times better than PA, without even including Iowa State titles (just couldn't force myself to do that).

That calculation may get smaller, smaller, and smaller every year for the foreseeable future. Since PA just discovered wrestling in 2011, I could say in 12 short years we learned the sport existed, dominated said sport and ticked off the only true fan base. Not bad for a decade of work......i kid, i kid

 

[KuwaitHawk]

Who are the “11”?

 

[cidhawkeye]

Never said or implied that it was a conspiracy against Iowa, but nice try. On the scheduling issue, someone said they couldn’t have had a dual because the Big Ten controls scheduling. I said they could have scheduled a non-conference dual if the wanted one. Didn’t say they should have, only that they could have. Such a silly thing for you to be so upset about, still, weeks later. The best part was that I posted it on the PSU board. Not here.

My point, when posting it (on the PSU board) was that Penn State had two away meets, 7 and 5 days before wrestling at Iowa while Iowa only had one 7 days before the big match. I thought it put Penn State at a disadvantage. I stand by that. Penn State was traveling home, by bus, from Michigan on Monday, 4 days before wrestling at Iowa. They had wrestled twice over the weekend away from home, staying in hotels and out of their normal routine. In his post-match remarks after the Iowa dual, Cael even talked about theses difficulties. Truth be told, I felt validated when he did.

It all got twisted up like a pretzel on your board. Someone would post “you’re saying….” to which I would then explain that’s not at all what I said or meant. The whole thing got so ridiculous. Over something so innocuous.

I’m just trying to talk wrestling with other people that like wrestling, with some friendly banter with my favorite team’s rival’s fans.

Somewhere a dead horse gains another scar as it’s beaten again. Your thought process is known.

 

[bluroptimo]

Things didn’t go too well for Cary at PSU and Lock Haven ended up being a better fit. BTW been to LH, nice school. Good luck to Cary, liked what he was doing at Campbell and am following his progress at the Naval Academy.

 

[artradley]

I just want to point out that as much as I complain, I have never griped about a recruit we missed in the mid-90’s.

 

[98lberEating2Lunches]

How did I read your posts about it then? HOW?

An HR poster referenced @mcpat's post here. @mcpat responded here. That's how.

@mcpat may've made a mistake by coming here and trying to humbly correct what he saw as his original post's mischaracterization while insisting he found the observation interesting.

If I understand cesspool protocol correctly, @mcpat might've been better off insulting other posters as obtuse, including the standard Shawshank gif, and leaving it at that. Maybe sprinkle in a GTFO for good measure.

 

[Kwoodhawk]

I just want to point out that as much as I complain, I have never griped about a recruit we missed in the mid-90’s.

Looks like someone opened up some new territory for you Art. Lucky you. It should help you make more friends here........

 

[Kwoodhawk]

An HR poster referenced @mrpat's post here. @mrpat responded here. That's how.

@mrpat may've made a mistake by coming here and trying to humbly correct what he saw as his original post's mischaracterization while insisting he found the observation interesting.

If I understand cesspool protocol correctly, @mrpat might've been better off insulting other posters as obtuse, including the standard Shawshank gif, and leaving it at that. Maybe sprinkle in a GTFO for good measure.

OK. Interesting. Interesting. Interesting.

So i saw his post and assumed it was an original post instead of a response to someone commenting about his PSU post. Whatever.

It was the posts he made here that cast the shadow on him rather than whatever he posted on PSU board.

I stand by my crankiness.

OBTW; mcpat

 

[IAChief32]

Kolat was the best high school wrestler in his era. Even out in Arizona, we had heard of him and his exploits. He and @Ray Brinzer were big....Brinzer for the wrestling plus the urban legends such as "I heard the guy called in a bomb threat to his school to get out of a test" type of thing. I am guessing that if Gable had the dinero, he would have tried to get Kolat.

 

[DonHawkeye]

Kolat was the best high school wrestler in his era. Even out in Arizona, we had heard of him and his exploits. He and @Ray Brinzer were big....Brinzer for the wrestling plus the urban legends such as "I heard the guy called in a bomb threat to his school to get out of a test" type of thing. I am guessing that if Gable had the dinero, he would have tried to get Kolat.

It wasn't just coach-speak when Gable would say "come here or we will just train a guy that will beat you" He and his wrestlers truly believed it. If Kolat was super interested in Iowa no doubt Gable would have tried hard to land him. When guys like Kolat, mega recruits, didn't show a ton of interest AND they lived halfway across the country he would focus on guys closer to home and not lose any sleep.

 

[horraybeer]

JRob was in deep, but couldn't finish.

 

[el dub]

I just want to point out that as much as I complain, I have never griped about a recruit we missed in the mid-90’s.

I figured it just wasn’t on your radar as a top complaint but had faith in your ability to get there.eventually.

 

[horraybeer]

Who are the “11”?

1.PSU 2. Lehigh 3. Penn 4. Pitt 5. Clarion 6. Lock Haven 7. Drexel 8. F&M 9. Bucknell 10. Edinboro 11. Bloomsburg

 

[thom67]

I read an old article about Kolat recently that mentioned how much he idolized Dan Gable as a kid. What I’m wondering is if he ever considered Iowa when it was time to pick a college? Did Gable recruit him? He had to have been the top recruit in the country at that time.

I was out in IC when kolat was visiting Iowa As a recruit. Iowa would definitely have taken him, but his HS transcripts could not pass the Iowa standards. Somehow he got into PSU, but flunked out there And went to Lock Haven.

 

[93hawkeye]

PA has great HS talent and has for a long time. Fine, and kudos to our PA friends.
College wrestling is almost entirely about the coach.
During Gable's tenure, Iowa was on top (more than not) because of the advantages Gable built into his program.
During Carl's tenure at PSU, he has been on top (more than not) because of the advantages he's built into his program.