Stands to reason that if it doesn't work on the elderly, encourage that all the younger people get it.
thanks big Pharma.
CBS report in 2006 on Flu vaccines
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Stands to reason that if it doesn't work on the elderly, encourage that all the younger people get it.
thanks big Pharma.
How many times have we seen the CDC doubling down on stupid? 🤣
Stands to reason that if it doesn't work on the elderly, encourage that all the younger people get it.
thanks big Pharma.
Stands to reason that if it doesn't work on the elderly, encourage that all the younger people get it.
thanks big Pharma.
U mean a 2006 flu vaccine didn't match the circulating strain well that year!!????
Best part of that video was the CDC rep that said they didn't work but didn't want to admit it. 😂
Yes; because they have to formulate flu vaccines 8 months before flu season, SOMETIMES that vaccine is not effective against the variants that circulate.
MOST other years, IT IS effective.
I’ve lost track of how many times this concept has been explained.
That was a 20 year study, explain how it went from 15% to 65% vaccinated and the death rate went up almost at the same protectory?
Never mind, you don't have to answer my question. It was answered in the video "billions spent".
You can explain it to a box of rocks 1000 times. The box still won't be any smarter afterwards.
Or just maybe saying something that's wrong a 1000 times doesn't make it the right thing.
So I'm going to start explaining that the sun comes up in the west and sets in the east. I can say it a 1000 times but it doesn't make it right. Then calling the box of rock stupid for not understanding me, doesn't make them stupid, it would make me look stupid.
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You need a medical degree in order to post a clip from CBS News nowadays?
I guess. Dr.'s are never wrong. I've always wondered why they call it a practice?
That's kinda the point.
You might need one to appropriately UNDERSTAND the content, particularly relating to any actual "study" the CBS News blurb is referring to (which no one has posted yet)
Researchers who tracked national data on influenza vaccination rates and mortality in elderly people from 1968 through 2001 say they could find no evidence that flu shots reduced death rates.
A number of previous studies have suggested that flu shots could reduce the number of community-living elderly people who die in winter by as much as 50%, according to the report by Lone Simonsen, PhD, of the National Institutes of Health (NIH), and colleagues from NIH and other organizations.
But the authors say they could find no evidence that increasing flu vaccination coverage among people 65 and older lowered mortality rates. Further, they concluded that the number of flu-related deaths in the elderly from 1968 through 2001 was never more than 10% of all winter deaths, suggesting that flu immunization could have only a relatively small effect on total death rates.
"We conclude . . . that there are not enough influenza-related deaths to support the conclusion that vaccination can reduce total winter mortality among the US elderly population by as much as half," states the article, published yesterday in Archives of Internal Medicine.
(cidrap.umm.edu)
A number of previous studies have suggested that flu shots could reduce the number of community-living elderly people who die in winter by as much as 50%, according to the report by Lone Simonsen, PhD, of the National Institutes of Health (NIH), and colleagues from NIH and other organizations.
But the authors say they could find no evidence that increasing flu vaccination coverage among people 65 and older lowered mortality rates. Further, they concluded that the number of flu-related deaths in the elderly from 1968 through 2001 was never more than 10% of all winter deaths, suggesting that flu immunization could have only a relatively small effect on total death rates.
"We conclude . . . that there are not enough influenza-related deaths to support the conclusion that vaccination can reduce total winter mortality among the US elderly population by as much as half," states the article, published yesterday in Archives of Internal Medicine.
(cidrap.umm.edu)
Still not seeing a study or link. (for a 20 yr old assessment)
Meanwhile, here's what 2023 info from CIDRAP says:
- Interim estimates of flu vaccine effectiveness in the US flu season, based on two ongoing studies at the Marshfield Clinic in Wisconsin, suggest that the vaccine was 54% effective for preventing medically attended influenza A infection in people younger then 65 years and was 71% in children and adolescents, according to a report published today in Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report. Flu vaccines help cut infections, complications, and deaths, but protection is suboptimal, averaging 10% to 60% from 2004 to 2018, according to CDC data, a factor driving an international push for more effective flu vaccines. Effectiveness is known to vary by season, flu virus subtype, and antigenic match with circulating strains.
More 2023 info from CIDRAP:
High-dose, adjuvanted flu vaccines better protect seniors from symptoms, hospital stays, study finds
Adjusted comparative vaccine effectiveness against medical visits in the high-dose, adjuvanted, and standard-dose cell-based vaccine groups were 9%, 17%, and −6%, respectively.
www.cidrap.umn.edu
2024 data from CIDRAP
Quad high-dose flu vaccine tied to fewer hospitalizations in seniors
Trends favoring QIV-HD versus QIV-SD were observed over time, even before the flu season was under way.
www.cidrap.umn.edu
perhaps skanky should have listened in high school biology class. Maybe you should audit a college one so you actually know something.
Good grief, not this shit again. Get vaccinated and quit being a dumb shit. No wonder Skynet becomes self aware.
Flu vaccines help cut infections, complications, and deaths, but protection is suboptimal, averaging 10% (10%?!🤣) to 60% from 2004 to 2018, according to CDC data, a factor driving an international push for more effective flu vaccines.
Flu shots are a scam(like most of the crap big pharm is peddling). It rarely offens any benefits but does contain mercury which is terrible for you. The fact that anyone would willingly inject that into themselves is baffling..
Some of the stuff you guys come up with is just off the wall. What you said zero to do with what the video said. But because you have to get upset about what you've been taught and led to believe you have to start calling names and acting like you're some expert. What are you 16?
Yup, they’re neither magical or perfect, heck in some cases they’re not even safe or effective.
So you're focused on the 10% and ignore the 60%. Solid.
Some flu vaccines contain thimerosal, a preservative that contains ethylmercury, which is different from methylmercury (the type of mercury that is harmful in high doses). Ethylmercury is used in very small amounts and is considered safe by health authorities.
You're posting 20-40 yr old data, and you're calling 2023 and 2024 studies as "off the wall"?
Well good to know those health authorities are never wrong… pretty sure they said baby powder was safe…
So I guess the answer is to never believe anything...Ford Pintos were once deemed safe.
It sure didn't work this year. Got the flu shot like I do every year, and I'm pretty sure I had the flu twice (one confirmed by rapid test at urgent care).
So I guess the answer is to never believe anything...Ford Pintos were once deemed safe.
In other 2000-era news:
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Appropriate, considering flu vaccine 'technology' is still stuck in the 1950's (Dr Tony Fauci's opinion, not mine). 🤣
Until the emergence of COVID-19, influenza had for many decades been the deadliest vaccine-preventable viral respiratory disease, one for which only less than suboptimal vaccines are available. Surprisingly, little has changed with influenza vaccines since 1957 when they were first administered in US national vaccination programs. Over the years, influenza vaccines have never been able to elicit durable protective immunity against seasonal influenza virus strains, even against non-drifted strains.
Rethinking next-generation vaccines for coronaviruses, influenzaviruses, and other respiratory viruses - PMC
Viruses that replicate in the human respiratory mucosa without infecting systemically, including influenza A, SARS-CoV-2, endemic coronaviruses, RSV, and many other “common cold” viruses, cause significant mortality and morbidity and are important ...
pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
current influenza vaccines reduce the risk of severe disease, hospitalization, and death to some degree, their effectiveness against clinically apparent infection is decidedly suboptimal
Appropriate, considering flu vaccine 'technology' is still stuck in the 1950's (Dr Tony Fauci's opinion, not mine). 🤣
Until the emergence of COVID-19, influenza had for many decades been the deadliest vaccine-preventable viral respiratory disease, one for which only less than suboptimal vaccines are available. Surprisingly, little has changed with influenza vaccines since 1957 when they were first administered in US national vaccination programs. Over the years, influenza vaccines have never been able to elicit durable protective immunity against seasonal influenza virus strains, even against non-drifted strains.
Rethinking next-generation vaccines for coronaviruses, influenzaviruses, and other respiratory viruses - PMC
Viruses that replicate in the human respiratory mucosa without infecting systemically, including influenza A, SARS-CoV-2, endemic coronaviruses, RSV, and many other “common cold” viruses, cause significant mortality and morbidity and are important ...pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
FUNFACT: The article is about next-gen mucosal based vaccines, expected to work far better than what we have.
And there ARE improvements in flu vaccines on a number of points:
- Quadrivalent vaccines
- Higher adjuvant ones for older Americans
- Better prediction and faster turnaround for getting fall formulas in place
The article you linked is pointing out ways we can make MORE than incremental leaps on them.
As of 2022, after more than 60 years of experience with influenza vaccines, very little improvement in vaccine prevention of infection has been noted. As pointed out decades ago, and still true today, the rates of effectiveness of our best approved influenza vaccines would be inadequate for licensure for most other vaccine-preventable diseases.7
(Also Fauci 🤣)
(Also Fauci 🤣)
