y'all know it's possible to be racially insensitive without being a hood wearing racist.
Chris Doyle doing live interview w/ Keith Murphy at 12:00 CT Today
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The people who know former Hawkeye players are shining through. CD was most definitely an a$$hole, but in a Navy Seals instructor kind of way. His method of motivation often involved yelling at and sometimes demeaning players. To him, it was a way to push the player beyond what they thought they could do. The intent was to get guys to be great. The method was not for everyone. It didn't matter who you were if you were not measuring up. Arrogant? Yes. Somebody who could get a lot out of you? Depends on how you took to him.
For the record, Doyle is not the only hard ass on staff. Our great defensive coach (and he is great) doesn't shy away from calling guys "stupid mfers" when he is pissed. That's not for everybody. But if you stay and buy in you get a tough-minded and disciplined group.
It is funny to see the 'Bama guys. Nobody likes tough love. Until you don't have it anymore.
For the record, Doyle is not the only hard ass on staff. Our great defensive coach (and he is great) doesn't shy away from calling guys "stupid mfers" when he is pissed. That's not for everybody. But if you stay and buy in you get a tough-minded and disciplined group.
It is funny to see the 'Bama guys. Nobody likes tough love. Until you don't have it anymore.
I’ve said it a million times, if CD had kept his mouth shut and followed his boss’s direction and listened to the university’s legal counsel he would likely still be working for Iowa. Instead he decided to run to social media and start blasting his mouth off. Poor decision on his part.
For whatever reason, he decided to ignore all of it and as a result he became an even bigger liability to the institution. Not following your employer’s legal directives and being insubordinate to your bosses will most likely cause you to get fired. Doesn’t matter who you are, who you know or how well you do your job. You’re gone and in the end it was his own actions that caused it. In the end Chris abandoned the Iowa way of doing things and his career here ended prematurely because of it. I’m hopeful that perhaps he learned a lot from the experience and is a better person having gone through it, but he’s not a victim here, not even close.
For whatever reason, he decided to ignore all of it and as a result he became an even bigger liability to the institution. Not following your employer’s legal directives and being insubordinate to your bosses will most likely cause you to get fired. Doesn’t matter who you are, who you know or how well you do your job. You’re gone and in the end it was his own actions that caused it. In the end Chris abandoned the Iowa way of doing things and his career here ended prematurely because of it. I’m hopeful that perhaps he learned a lot from the experience and is a better person having gone through it, but he’s not a victim here, not even close.
Agreed. It's possible to be racially insensitive without possessing any racism.
Many people simply do not understand the difference between culture and race.
The same giant ego that made him think he could berate and talk down to the players is the one that got him fired.
Saying Chris was an asshole? Have you ever trained under or with Chris. If former players want to express that opinion they have that in their pocket. Repeating what is heard or assumed is best saved.
Comparing Chris to a BUDS instructor is ludicrous. Once again, unless you have been through BUDS training , hell week or any special forces training for that matter, what do you know to even compare? Training in either of those realms can only be expressed by those who have been in one or the other. I've been in the room with Louis Simmons at Westside Barbell. Chris and I were there together as was Dave Tate and the A.M. crew that day. Saw an over 500 lb bench that day.
Go to Westside Barbell Clubs website and under culture you will read, "This gym is not for the timid nor is it for those seeking fame. You must earn your membership through blood, sweat and other peoples tears. You are held accountable for every word that you say and at any time you must be willing to back it up verbally or physically." I HAVE NEVER TRAINED AT WESTSIDE. I was there by invitation from Louis while he taught me about his reverse hyper he invented. Chris was observing Westside and we were both looking at the conjugate method for sports.
Demeaning? Berating? Amazing that those words are just thrown around as if you have been there. Do you believe Wirfs just walked in and went through meager workouts without any form of motivation? Do you think every player can do what Wirfs has done? I'll tell you EVERY player deserves the opportunity to excel like Wirfs and was given those same opportunities.
Perhaps, but it wouldnt be surprising that players talk to one another and many knew Iowa players that had first hand experience with Doyle. To be honest,I’m not sure why we are even having this debate. Doyle was found to have been inappropriate on the job by an investigative firm, which was particularly felt by the African-American players. Doyle behaved poorly on the job and was ’fired’ (given a million dollars). The outrage should be, why in the hell was he given a million dollars?
It really depends on the message. Parker is tough but he’s not demeaning in a personal way. Doyle was, from what I’ve read. There’s a big difference between the two.
I forgot that was Seth Wallace. I remember that, he should have been gone for that alone if it was true.
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Kirk throwing Doyle under the bus to try to save Brian.
To save himself, most of all. After all, if he knew that Doyle said those things and didn't do anything, his job would have been on the line too.
Ding ding ding ding
Also lol at the husch Blackwell investigation cited in this thread. Sounds like some of the soyboys in this thread were in charge of that joke of investigation that's whole conclusion was he was a meanie.
He was, and continues to be, over hyped by some as to his contribution.
If he was just a garden variety asshole coach, that's one thing. I suspect that most guys that played football even down to the high school level have come across that.
This guy went WAY beyond that.
I had no problem when he got the axe.
If he was just a garden variety asshole coach, that's one thing. I suspect that most guys that played football even down to the high school level have come across that.
This guy went WAY beyond that.
I had no problem when he got the axe.
Brian probably should have been let go as well but Doyle wasn't thrown under the bus. His actions were worthy of his dismissal. I think he was fortunate to get a very nice severance of a million dollars for someone proven to have been inappropriate on the job.
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You referring to the “simple Jack” comment? That was actually directed at a OLineman’s brother who was a DLineman.
the whole thing was a joke. I could probably pay a law firm to say the world is flat.
the players, {daniels if I recall, and a few others} were not only saying the team was racist, but Iowa { the state of} itself was racist. that's where they lost credibility.
there was this instigator dude, Robert T. Green. what a clown. there were a handful of players recrutied by the clown. wadley's mom also was in there. beclowning herself.
the players, {daniels if I recall, and a few others} were not only saying the team was racist, but Iowa { the state of} itself was racist. that's where they lost credibility.
there was this instigator dude, Robert T. Green. what a clown. there were a handful of players recrutied by the clown. wadley's mom also was in there. beclowning herself.
yes, but then, none of that was ever proven. just spoken about. no proof. it's opinion. it's subjective. I could be called racially insensitive for just choosing to have a white car over a black or brown one. then I would be fired. at iowa.
It doesn't work that way, Oit. No one set out with the intention of proving him to be a racist. They conducted a thorough investigation, and the findings revealed that, at the very least, Doyle displayed racial insensitivity and behaved inappropriately while on the job at Iowa.
they set out to prove racism period. it was an invention. it was what was going on, in 2020. it was a wave of stuff like this across the usa. thank goodness most people realized it was a joke. iowa, the entire state, is not racist. thank goodness. this robert t green idiot tried to bring down ohio st and mich st and texas as well.
by the way, if doyle was racially insensitive then kirk was also and he should have been fired, the same as with penn st... people would say the head coach is who is to blame at all times. just like paterno.but there was zero there... which is why kirk is still there. there's your proof.
The results of the investigation were based on players feedback…… feedback prior to the players going under oath and facing the risk of perjury…… their feedback was significantly different under oath. The ‘results’ may have been a little different.
What do you base this on? I call BS. Don’t confuse the lawsuit with Doyle’s behavior. The lawsuit came about as a money grab after Doyle was already gone.
Which part is bs?
Players tell stories to Husch Blackwell. Report comes out describing the racist culture at Iowa. Doyle is fired/resigns.
Money grab lawsuit is filed. Players need to go under oath and face potential perjury issues.
Stories that Husch Blackwell used to come to their conclusion change considerably as the players versions of what occurred diminish greatly as they are under oath. My guess is the report would change a great deal if it was based on what the players said while under oath.
You’re fabricating claims without any evidence to support your accusation—it's purely speculative on your part. In contrast, what I’m asserting has been thoroughly investigated, involving hundreds of interviews, which ultimately concluded that Doyle was indeed behaving inappropriately.
Im gonna say that this interview dropping in the middle of the season is why we lost yesterday. Thanks Keith Murphy.
You are correct .Simply wanted to point out it was DEJack Kelleberger not OL Mark Kelleberger.
Like Anderson Cooper said to AOC “being factually correct is important”. Nothing else for you to imply.
I was honestly surprised what a good interview this was, and I feel differently about the situation after hearing it.
Highlights:
Doyle hasn't talked to Kirk since he was let go. Pretty wild since they were so close for so long.
Doyle doesn't watch Iowa football.
Doyle believes they should have done a better job onboarding freshmen. My take: although this wasn't blatant discrimination, it was clear that young players from outside of Iowa had a harder time adjusting- and a lot of those players were black. Failure by everyone in the program, but if anyone should have been fired, it should have been Kirk.
Highlights:
Doyle hasn't talked to Kirk since he was let go. Pretty wild since they were so close for so long.
Doyle doesn't watch Iowa football.
Doyle believes they should have done a better job onboarding freshmen. My take: although this wasn't blatant discrimination, it was clear that young players from outside of Iowa had a harder time adjusting- and a lot of those players were black. Failure by everyone in the program, but if anyone should have been fired, it should have been Kirk.
Have you ever heard PP get on his guys? Even when the press is available to practices, he is ruthless - imagine that when no press is there, you'd learn some new words.
No one is going to change your mind because you are so far off on this that you're over the cliff. And for acting like someone who knows Tristan Wirfs (he likes country music, you said so) I would you'd know he went to Mt. Vernon, not Solon. Fairly positive Mt. Vernon and Solon are rivals actually.
^^ This. I know someone that was a standout player in the HF years. He has related how his position coach, a coach that everyone here would instantly recognize, was BRUTAL at times with those in his charge. At the same time, that coach was very beloved by his players and many of them are in frequent contact all of these years later.
Back in the day there was such a thing as a TOUGH, even profane and demeaning, coach, but one that you would play your guts out for and revere oftentimes for the rest of your life. One can be that type of coach AND not be racist.
FWIW, the aforementioned former HF players reaction to the complaints of some of the former Iowa players a few years ago...."JFC, it is Big 10 football....everyone gets yelled at.".
