Average college student reads 450 words per minute.
10 minutes into legal requirements of renting a vacation home, you might spot this.
LOL.
10 minutes into legal requirements of renting a vacation home, you might spot this.
LOL.
Christian Arbitration
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are you against arbitration in labor/union disputes as well?
proving you do not care for arbritration in general, or is it just Christian arbritration that gets you mad?
proving you do not care for arbritration in general, or is it just Christian arbritration that gets you mad?
yes, apparently they are being issued government interventionalist anti-rights certificates of some kind, God bless them!
Of course I'm not anti-arbitration.
I'm against Christian Law Arbitration.
Try to keep up. It's not really that hard.
Look, here's how this goes... you enter into a dispute with these cabin people. If it ever really gets anywhere, they'll ask the judge to enforce the arbitration agreement. This is YOUR CHANCE to quash the provision as unconscionable, a violation of your religious rights, deceitful, hidden, underhanded, or whatever additional adjectives you can dream up.
So, you're suggesting that the government should prohibit two willing contractors from drafting an agreement to abide by Christian principles in the event of a dispute? How is that freedom of religion?
Here's the clause on Carolina Cabin's website for those interested.
The website they reference with the complete text of the Rules is not active. I'll see if I can search out the organization and find their arbitration rules. Should be good for a laugh/cry.
31) RESOLUTION:
Any claim or dispute arising from or related to this agreement shall be settled by first meeting face to face to discuss the matter, secondly by mediation and, if necessary, by legally binding arbitration in accordance with the Rules of Procedure for Christian Conciliation of the Institute for Christian Conciliation, a division of Peacemaker Ministries (complete text of these Rules is available at www.HisPeace.org). Judgment upon an arbitration decision may be entered in any court otherwise having jurisdiction. The parties understand that these methods shall be the sole remedy for any controversy or claim arising out of this agreement and expressly waive their right to file a lawsuit in any civil court against one another for such disputes, except to enforce an arbitration decision.
The website they reference with the complete text of the Rules is not active. I'll see if I can search out the organization and find their arbitration rules. Should be good for a laugh/cry.
31) RESOLUTION:
Any claim or dispute arising from or related to this agreement shall be settled by first meeting face to face to discuss the matter, secondly by mediation and, if necessary, by legally binding arbitration in accordance with the Rules of Procedure for Christian Conciliation of the Institute for Christian Conciliation, a division of Peacemaker Ministries (complete text of these Rules is available at www.HisPeace.org). Judgment upon an arbitration decision may be entered in any court otherwise having jurisdiction. The parties understand that these methods shall be the sole remedy for any controversy or claim arising out of this agreement and expressly waive their right to file a lawsuit in any civil court against one another for such disputes, except to enforce an arbitration decision.
because atheists and their religion of fed slurping is more like sharia law than they wish to know
Customer Service then Policies then Disputes.Which is the 2nd one in the post above.
Below here is my shopping cart, again, all ready to check out, searching "arbitration" and having 0/0 results.
I know you will be upset again because the placement is not closer to the top.
Neither of the two companies tried to hide the policy and I bet if you look on all the websites for all companies you are going to find similar placement for this item. Companies tend not to lead off with if we have a problem type of info.
You absolutely can. But it can't be hidden. You and OiT want to do it, go for it. But this isn't what's going on. I think it's pretty clear what is upsetting (even if personally I'm against Christian Arbitration, and would never myself go into any agreement that called for it).
Hell, if you and OiT want to go into arbitration by space monkeys, I'm good. But it can't be hidden the way it is. These examples aren't arms-length negotiations of rights.
Apparently you haven't read the article. Because of being afraid to step on religious toes, judges are saying they can't do this. I disagree with their analysis and I disagree with any company that uses these things.
How do you figure it's not hidden? Again, it's so far out of the ordinary it should require explicit language above and beyond the T&Cs.
Hold up. Tell me more about the path to heaven paved with slurping.
Where do you want them to place the item? Just because it falls at the end does mean they are hiding it that is where you usually find resolutions of dispute information.
Well I could find it in about 5 minutes so for me that makes it pretty easy.
My wife is great at this stuff - she reads all the fine print.
From their website (http://peacemaker.net/summary-of-services/summary-of-services-2/):
Arbitration
Arbitration is a formal process that allows the parties to present evidence (their story) to the arbitrator(s), who decide the issue(s) based on the information provided by the parties and their desired outcomes, and by applying state, federal, or local laws, with the Holy Scriptures (the Bible) being the supreme authority.
So, you'll all are good if I change (the Bible) to the Koran and hide it in my T&Cs?
Arbitration
Arbitration is a formal process that allows the parties to present evidence (their story) to the arbitrator(s), who decide the issue(s) based on the information provided by the parties and their desired outcomes, and by applying state, federal, or local laws, with the Holy Scriptures (the Bible) being the supreme authority.
So, you'll all are good if I change (the Bible) to the Koran and hide it in my T&Cs?
Up front. It's a condition of a contract that puts "the Bible" as the Supreme Authority. You think that this type of arbitration is just a standard resolution clause?
Remember a while back when you asked for examples of religion intruding into laws and policy? Ta Da! You can't trust Christians, they try to sneak in in on you. That's called bearing false witness and should send you all to hell. I'll save you a seat.
Yes, I am looking for it. You either look for this ahead of signing off on the order or rental or you live with the consequences. Not that hard of a concept.
4. Application of Law
Conciliators shall take into consideration any state, federal, or local laws that the parties bring to their attention, but the Holy Scriptures (the Bible) shall be the supreme authority governing every aspect of the conciliation process.
Take a look at these and tell me this is something you think should be brought to the attention of hardwood floor purchasers and cabin renters?
http://peacemaker.net/rules-of-procedure/
Conciliators shall take into consideration any state, federal, or local laws that the parties bring to their attention, but the Holy Scriptures (the Bible) shall be the supreme authority governing every aspect of the conciliation process.
Take a look at these and tell me this is something you think should be brought to the attention of hardwood floor purchasers and cabin renters?
http://peacemaker.net/rules-of-procedure/
Lol. I'm sure you read all those agreements word for word.
It's incredibly how intellectually dishonest you'll be just to defend and indefensible practice.
I don't but my wife does. Signing off on house purchases was a very trying experience.
Slieb, are you gonna rent the damn cabin or not?!?
Btw, I'm taking you and natural to church with me
Btw, I'm taking you and natural to church with me
Don't know but I am sure he is going to read all the dispute resolutions from now on for everything he purchases to make sure he won't be subject to a religious solution.
Lol. I was in Catholic church just 9-10 days ago. Surprised the place didn't catch fire. It's amazing how cultish the service is.
That's code right? Kneelers, slurping and wine. I'm so in.
BTW it's a hoot watching a bunch of cons argue in favor of sneaky obscure government regulations that say the Bible not the law is the highest authority. This thread is so surreal.
Nah. I learned about that ish 2 years ago in my contracts class. I just don't think the onus should be on the general American public for something that is so egregiously against our judicial system. And I think it's a mark of a pretty dishonest company when they use something like this. And I think it's the mark of a bad person when they defend a company's use of this. Particularly when you read how they try to fight the rulings after they go against the company.
I listened to a This American Life piece called "magic words" a few months back that had a similar practice by debt purchasing companies, where they called supposed debtors into court and demanded payment in front of a judge, and if you simply asked for detailed/itemized billing, they dropped the charges because they didn't have it (they simply purchased the lists of debts and the names from the original companies and are banking that you'll be scared into paying). I think all companies that prey on ignorance and fear of the judicial system to gain an advantage over consumers are scum. And I hope more and more of this comes to light, because I'm sure there are plenty of other people who feel similarly.
Tough day today I have been called a liar by Natural and a bad person by you.
I agree with the examples you gave about debt purchasing companies and any company that takes advantage of their customers. You just did not show me where Higuera Hardwoods or Carolina Cabins did that.
We are going to a black church. No wine, Hail Mary's, or priests.
We will baptize you and anoint your head with chicken grease....err olive oil!
There's no slurping of wine in black church. We don't kneel either.
Blacks love them some Jesus, gheys are welcomed. That being said, I can't promise they won't try to preach the ghey out of you. White's attempt to pray it out, black ppl will yell at you as if attempting to frighten it out..... like shock therapy!
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