Chuck Schumer: Amnesty for all 11 million illegals
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So, you make a statement saying that it's bigoted to say ALL people of a certain race will vote one way, which no one has ever said, then ask for a link to my statement? OK...here you go. But please provide a link to your blanket statement as well.Link?
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Isn't assuming that black people can't get an ID racist, especially when over 75% of blacks already have IDs?
Sigh, this again.
There is virtually no one on the left who assumes black people can’t get an ID.
That’s a caricature (more accurately: a lie) that’s been spread by right wing pundits.
What most of us think — with facts to back it up — is
- nearly 10% of eligible American voters don’t have the sort of photo ID required by most voter ID laws,
- that group of people is disproportionately poor, disproportionately black, and disproportionately female, and
- there are court decisions saying that at least two states (NC and WI) actually intended their voter ID laws to have a racially disparate impact.
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Originally Answered: Why do Democrats claim that many black people don’t have birth certificates, therefore can’t get access to an ID?
Studies into the matter from respected universities have found that about a quarter of African Americans do not have a copy of a birth certificate.
One of the reasons why this issue is partisan is because African Americans tend to vote Democratic, so requiring voters to present government ID that they don’t have and can be difficult to obtain, helps keep them from voting.
Now, keep in mind. These are citizens. They have a Constitutional right to vote. Laws can be written which disenfranchise people by making it more difficult or costly to vote. Congressional maps can be rewritten to put as many folks who vote Democratic into one district as possible, to dilute their proportional representation in Congress.
While you can disenfranchise people on purpose for a partisan reason, we do not think that is a good thing for the government to be doing.
By default, all citizens should have the right to vote and the ability to vote. I’ll even grant you the felons, though most democracies don’t do that and for good reason.
The ones who aren’t felons should be able to vote. And their votes should lead to representation in Congress that matches anyone else’s, regardless of party or race or whatever.
Deliberately rigging the system to make sure black Americans have less representation, so that one party will benefit from their opposition being unable to vote or be represented, is cowardly, and not American.
That’s for authoritarian states like Russia who “disappear” their political rivals and hold sham elections.
That’s not the free country I signed up for.
You want to make voter ID a thing? Despite in person voter fraud accounting for 0.000 percent of the vote? Disenfranchising whole numbers of percentage of the entire population, and well over a quarter of black Americans who have a legal right to vote, but not the documents?
Then make the documents free to get, and make all legal voters be automatically registered to vote.
Otherwise, you’re letting politicians pick the voters, not the voters pick the politicians.
That’s ass backwards and obviously hasn’t got shit to do with keeping our elections either secure or democratic.
Why might some folks not have a birth certificate?
In my parents’ lifetime, black people only got civil rights for the first time. The nation was massively, systemically, violently discriminatory toward black Americans.
Do you think the government gave a flying **** about making sure all black parents got a copy? Do you think maybe a lot of folks couldn’t afford to give birth at a hospital? Do you think maybe some folks didn’t feel welcome at one, with the separate drinking fountains?
That happened while people who can vote right now are still alive.
Why don’t they have their documents?
Same reason why 8 percent of white people don’t. Plus other, much, much worse reasons, adding to the total for black people.
And it’s not so easy to prove you are who you say you are, if you don’t have a birth certificate. And you need to prove you are who you say you are to get the other government documents needed to get a replacement birth certificate.
And it isn’t free, fast, or even cheap to do. And some people don’t have and can’t afford a car. And some states have very few offices and opening hours to get new ID issued, by design.
Same reason why they close polling booths when they run elections, to create longer waiting times, and make sure people give up rather than vote.
If enough poor people can’t vote, no matter what color they are, Republicans will win majorities. If everyone who has the right to vote did vote, Republicans wouldn’t even come close.
Therefore, voter ID laws, gerrymandering, and reducing polling stations and hours and means of voting by mail.
Even if it costs Republican votes. Even if it makes life harder for Republicans to vote.
Because, you see, it doesn’t matter how many Republicans vote if there’s still more of them that did than Democrats.
That’s the political calculation. That’s the disenfranchisement.
As long as it hurts the other side more, it’s a strategy that will be used.
Such calculations should never, ever, be interfering with my right to vote, nor yours, nor our respective representation levels.
That’s bullshit. That is one step away from outlawing political parties you don’t like. The difference between what we have now in the USA and a one party state, is that if Democrats turn out in way, way more numbers than Republicans, they can get 50 percent representation. So it isn’t a one party state yet.
But it’s most of the way there. We have to beat the other side by 10 points to enact our agenda. The other side can lose by five points and end up with more seats.
That’s not a democracy. And if you think its great your party has slanted the elections in its favor, guess how difficult the system will be to fix once they realize they really don’t need your vote anymore either.
Because they don’t. They really don’t. They could close almost every polling station and require more forms of ID than you have. Someone will own enough IDs, and there will be a slight edge in that demographic for Republicans.
That 10 percent of the country will decide everything, and you’ll think it’s peachy for a time, because at least Democrats aren’t in power.
You won’t realize or care that you’re not either. Until the government does something ridiculously corrupt and stupid, which it does all the time, and it hurts you. And you can’t do anything about it, and nothing you do will affect the vote of your own supposed Senator or Rep.
Why?
Because once they stopped needing to care about winning votes, only suppressing enough that they don’t like, they decided they don’t work for you either.
And I can’t help you, because I don’t have 4 forms of ID and Democratic representation in your state has been selectively chosen to be all put into a single district, so our vote doesn’t matter.
You have no allies, because no one’s vote matters.
Once we don’t matter, you don’t either. You just won’t realize it right away, since you think it benefits you.
Breaking democracy might feel good if your party wins. That feeling will fade when you realize your party won’t work for you ever again after that.
Voter suppression is done by inventing a crisis that doesn’t exist and creating a solution that creates the political result you want, and making it into official government policy. That hands one party more power, and they do it again, more egregiously, and get even more. Fewer people can voice their opposition, so they suppress turnout even more.
As long as they are suppressing the right demographic, your rights being lost as well will be seen as acceptable losses. Calculated losses.
And once your vote is gone, there’s no way to get it back. None.
Eventually the country will get to Russia-level autocracy, and your voice of opposition will only be tolerated if it remains silent and in your home.
That’s the end game. We get there a step at a time. Other nations have taken more steps than we have. It’s happened plenty of times in history, including modern history. If we want to be a third world shithole or a totalitarian state, we’re making the right moves to get there.
All it takes is silencing our own citizens, little by little, and taking away their legal right to vote, and making any remaining votes even less effective, and harder and harder to cast.
It will happen little by little, slowly. It won’t happen on the news channels you watch.
By the time you care about it in the ruling party, it will be far beyond too late. You were the useful pawn in another person’s scheme for power. You thought you would benefit from it. You were never intended to be a beneficiary of anything, and once it goes past the tipping point, that will become all too clear.
You cannot replace the population of a nation with people from a different culture and not expect drastic changes in society. The future will reflect their beliefs and customs, not ours.
Left wing whiteys, the true racists.
So, you make a statement saying that it's bigoted to say ALL people of a certain race will vote one way,
I said a group of not all
But please provide a link to your blanket statement as well.
Are illegal immigrants a group? Are repubs focusing on that group? Are repubs for the most part saying dems want that group so they will vote dem?
Hocul is an idiot
You said "an entire group of ethnic persons". Entire = All
Also, it’s ok to admit one’s bigotry. We are all bigots. I for example am a bigot towards morbidly obese persons. I understand that and try not to be that way but sometimes I can’t help myself.
Speak for yourself. I have no problem with hispanics. I know several professionally. Many of them do not support illegal immigration either.
I support legal immigration by our rules and laws. Just like my ancestors had to go through.
There are thousands of skilled laborers Indians, Chinese, and other SE Asian would be immigrants who apply for work visas and citizenship who do things the right way. Bring them on over. Fine.
Millions cutting the line by walking over the border and taking unearned benefits away from needy and poor Americans including Veterans? Hell no.
Even minorities and legal immigrants including Hispanics agree this is wrong. Why can’t you?
Some impact innocent Americans by using their SSNs.
You are entitled to your opinion. I on the other hand while disagreeing with you on many things believe you are a decent and intelligent person and enjoy the entertainment of discussing topics with you.
Meh. It's all semantics. The open demonization of illegal immigrants as a bunch of murderers and rapists by MAGA right wingers results in a softening of language from the other side.
Both parties want a secure border. The US needs more immigrants, not less, to thrive. The right thinks less is better and that people who are allowed in should be white people because brown people aren't like us. The left thinks more brown people isn't a problem. That's the biggest difference between the two parties.
They want it to fall apart, obviously. Every decision (or lack thereof) is to further drive America into the ground. The faster America falls apart, the faster fascism takes over. They want this.
No,.. they want just want legal immigrants, and some reasonable filtering mechanism.
You sure about that?
Senate Republicans block bipartisan border package, scrapping deal they had demanded from Democrats
Many Republicans said the election-year compromise wasn't enough, even as supporters of the bill insisted it was the best that could be gotten in divided government.
www.pbs.org
You sure about that?
Senate Republicans block bipartisan border package, scrapping deal they had demanded from Democrats
Many Republicans said the election-year compromise wasn't enough, even as supporters of the bill insisted it was the best that could be gotten in divided government.
Yep,.. that bill didn't do it.
Who are these 11 million “illegals” Schumer speaks of? I’m thinking most have been tax paying loyal “Americans” for many years…if not decades and are overdue their pathway to citizenship.
Why do so many Republicans refuse to take reasonable action on upgrading and modeling America’s immigration laws? Ever Ronald Reagan told America it was overdue in his final speech. And that has been over 30 years ago.
Why do so many Republicans refuse to take reasonable action on upgrading and modeling America’s immigration laws? Ever Ronald Reagan told America it was overdue in his final speech. And that has been over 30 years ago.
You don’t ‘fix’ a Ponzi scheme by inducing more victims, that just creates a bigger tragedy and greater loss.
What kind of assistance do you think any of you'd get from the Mexican government if you became an illegal resident there?
You would be wrong sir, it's the people that have been running across the border for the last 4 years.
As a kid and young adult we drove into Mexico every year to visit family. We planned for the bribes each year with money or US goods....cops, state border officials, travel permits etc. It's how it was done. You stick out, and you are watched after crossing the border.
What a horrible post. Just horribly ridiculous.
Of course I do.
There is nothing on this board worth getting so worked up about. Its entertainment. You would have to look pretty hard to find me directly attacking someone on this board. About the only 2 things I can think of is using MAGA to describe someone and dropping this gif whenever Northern does his thing.
There aren't a lot of white immigrants period. Hence the right's problems with immigrants today. Just aren't a lot of Swedes clamoring to get in here. 🤔
