CJF & JBO

[H4wkfan4life]

BIGGG TIME BUCKET!!!! Huge momentum changer.


This was a great win, but I can't help but wonder if I'd have any nails left if Jordan wasn't out there at the end of the game!!

Phew, that was fun

 

[RocknRollface]

Honestly, that was way to much Bohannon all game.

 

[unoHawkeye]

Honestly, that was way to much Bohannon all game.

If we’re going by stats, you might be right. But, like Fran said postgame, Bohannon has a certain calming senior presence that I think adds a lot to the other players on the court. He should be logging a lot of minutes when he plays IMO

 

[RocknRollface]

If we’re going by stats, you might be right. But, like Fran said postgame, Bohannon has a certain calming senior presence that I think adds a lot to the other players on the court. He should be logging a lot of minutes when he plays IMO

I disagree, the whole game I kept wondering what the hell is he doing out there. What is Fran thinking?

We won that game because of defense and he was the one guy getting beat and allowing TT to hang around while missing allot on the other end.

 

[unoHawkeye]

I disagree, the whole game I kept wondering what the hell is he doing out there. What is Fran thinking?

We won that game because of defense and he was the one guy getting beat and allowing TT to hang around while missing allot on the other end.

We can agree to disagree on this one. He will always be a liability on defense, for sure. Fortunately, in a lineup that includes McCaffery, Fredrick, and Wieskamp, we have other perimeter players to help pick up the slack.

His 6 assists led the team (with just one bone head turnover that he threw into the scorers table). He also drew 6 fouls which was, by far, second best only to Garza’s 7. I’ll take what we saw from him tonight, any night

 

[skydog0784]

Honestly, that was way to much Bohannon all game.

Totally disagree with this notion. JBo's 20 points including 8-8 FTs and team high 6 assists disagree as well. Not to mention uno's point about his calming presence on the rest of the team.

You should go back and re-watch the game.

 

[ZumaHawk]

Rocknroll......I agree with you most all the time but not this time! 20 points..100% from the line. Without Jbo tonight we lose! Fun game and great fun! ✌️

 

[RocknRollface]

Totally disagree with this notion. JBo's 20 points including 8-8 FTs and team high 6 assists disagree as well. Not to mention uno's point about his calming presence on the rest of the team.

You should go back and re-watch the game.

Lol, I definitely don't.

I spent all week telling most of the posters on here they had this team pegged wrong based on one bad game. I was right I'm right now too because I know what I'm watching.

JBO is a liability if hes not making shots. He needs to make a large amount of 3s to offset his poor defense.

 

[unoHawkeye]

Lol, I definitely don't.

I spent all week telling most of the posters on here they had this team pegged wrong based on one bad game. I was right I'm right now too because I know what I'm watching.

JBO is a liability if hes not making shots. He needs to make a large amount of 3s to offset his poor defense.

I mean, 4/9 (44%) from 3 is pretty good. Caught a couple tough breaks on floaters

If Bohannon was as big of a liability on defense as you claim, how did he finish +12 in box plus minus? Against TT’s starters no less. It definitely seems like the Hawks were able to overcome his poor defensive play and thrive enough offensively to make it worth keeping him in

 

[BBHawk]

We can agree to disagree on this one. He will always be a liability on defense, for sure. Fortunately, in a lineup that includes McCaffery, Fredrick, and Wieskamp, we have other perimeter players to help pick up the slack.

His 6 assists led the team (with just one bone head turnover that he threw into the scorers table). He also drew 6 fouls which was, by far, second best only to Garza’s 7. I’ll take what we saw from him tonight, any night

Weezy let that pass go by. That one was on him. He was wide open for a 3.

 

[unoHawkeye]

Weezy let that pass go by. That one was on him. He was wide open for a 3.

Oh gotcha. I half missed that play but it didn’t really look like anybody was in the area. You’re probably right

 

[H4wkfan4life]

Totally disagree with this notion. JBo's 20 points including 8-8 FTs and team high 6 assists disagree as well. Not to mention uno's point about his calming presence on the rest of the team.

You should go back and re-watch the game.

read my post again
if you still disagree, then go ahead.

This was a great win, but I can't help but wonder if I'd have any nails left if Jordan wasn't out there at the end of the game!!

 

[H4wkfan4life]

We can agree to disagree on this one. He will always be a liability on defense, for sure. Fortunately, in a lineup that includes McCaffery, Fredrick, and Wieskamp, we have other perimeter players to help pick up the slack.

His 6 assists led the team (with just one bone head turnover that he threw into the scorers table). He also drew 6 fouls which was, by far, second best only to Garza’s 7. I’ll take what we saw from him tonight, any night

so you don't think we have a much better chance holding leads at the end with him out there?

he drew most those fouls because he had the ball at the end of the game(when he made every single ft).

 

[unoHawkeye]

so you don't think we have a much better chance holding leads at the end with him out there?

he drew most those fouls because he had the ball at the end of the game(when he made every single ft).

What? I said literally the opposite

you do realize I’m arguing on Bohannon’s behalf right?

 

[skydog0784]

read my post again
if you still disagree, then go ahead.

What? I was disagreeing with RocknRollFace, not you at all. I even quoted him in the post I replied to.

 

[unoHawkeye]

What? I was disagreeing with RocknRollFace, not you at all. I even quoted him in the post I replied to.

H4wkFan is confused. Par for the course

 

[skydog0784]

What? I said literally the opposite

you do realize I’m arguing on Bohannon’s behalf right?

H4wkfan4life dropped some LSD tonight? He did the same thing to me.

 

[H4wkfan4life]

What? I was disagreeing with RocknRollFace, not you at all. I even quoted him in the post I replied to.

this is odd, when i look at the posts in this thread they go post number 1 then 3 then 5. don't know if there were some deleted posts or what....

btw your post does not show you quoting anyone, at least not on the screen I'm looking at

 

[H4wkfan4life]

H4wkfan4life dropped some LSD tonight? He did the same thing to me.

if nobody else is missing posts 2 and 4 then clearly I'm seeing shit....

 

[ajdl]

Great win tonight. I’ve been hard on Connor and he had a couple of rough moments again tonight. But he was scrappy on D and overall played well. Pemsel was rough for awhile but made a huge save that led to the HUGE 3 by CJ.
Evelyn just doesn’t belong yet. Hope he can figure it out quickly. Otherwise he should maybe just play during blowouts.

 

[owenhawk]

We can agree to disagree on this one. He will always be a liability on defense, for sure. Fortunately, in a lineup that includes McCaffery, Fredrick, and Wieskamp, we have other perimeter players to help pick up the slack.

His 6 assists led the team (with just one bone head turnover that he threw into the scorers table). He also drew 6 fouls which was, by far, second best only to Garza’s 7. I’ll take what we saw from him tonight, any night

For what it’s worth, Bohannon had a +/- of +12. I agree with RocknRoll his defense is still not good (but like you said Uno there his better Perimeter teammates this year to help cover it up) but he just has the sense for the “moment” and coming up big that I think calms the the team and gives them confidence (and it looks like Frederick might be the same type of guy).

 

[RocknRollface]

I mean, 4/9 (44%) from 3 is pretty good. Caught a couple tough breaks on floaters

If Bohannon was as big of a liability on defense as you claim, how did he finish +12 in box plus minus? Against TT’s starters no less. It definitely seems like the Hawks were able to overcome his poor defensive play and thrive enough offensively to make it worth keeping him in

Correct.

Now what would it have been like with even better defense and better offense?

Iowa could have easily blown that game open with some better play on both ends.

 

[owenhawk]

Great win tonight. I’ve been hard on Connor and he had a couple of rough moments again tonight. But he was scrappy on D and overall played well. Pemsel was rough for awhile but made a huge save that led to the HUGE 3 by CJ.
Evelyn just doesn’t belong yet. Hope he can figure it out quickly. Otherwise he should maybe just play during blowouts.

Connor has been catching WAY too much shit for very little reason. He’s not the best player on the team and he isn’t going to be perfect but the kid is tough and smart as hell. Also, like some previous unnamed players the Hawks have had in the past, he’s not scared of big time games and teams. He’s going to compete hard and not back down - even if that doesn’t always translate to great play.

Just another solid night of 5 pats, 5 Reb, 4 Assists, and 0 TO’s to go with good Defense.

 

[The Deplorable Sleeping Dog]

As it has done for all four seasons of Jordan's career, the offense is just better when he's the point guard. He's a good scorer, great-possibly the best 3 point shooter in school history, sees the floor and gets the ball in scoring position and converts about 90% of his FTs to ice games, like tonight.

We played a smallish team tonight so the four guards line up worked. If we go big(ger) I'd say CMac comes out and Cordell goes in. CJ is an excellent auxiliary ball handler. Kid might be another ice water shooter too.

 

[Hawk-Fran1]

I love Conner at the three - four....Big time decision maker and handler who can make plays. He was terrific tonight.

 

[skydog0784]

A few of my favorite moments tonight were how much JBo and CJF were celebrating with each a couple of times at the end of the game.

Fredrick is a hell of a player. He really brings it on all levels. I'm not sure I can think of a better off guard Iowa has had (based on very limited game time observations) since Haluska. Man, is he good.

 

[RocknRollface]

As it has done for all four seasons of Jordan's career, the offense is just better when he's the point guard. He's a good scorer, great-possibly the best 3 point shooter in school history, sees the floor and gets the ball in scoring position and converts about 90% of his FTs to ice games, like tonight.

We played a smallish team tonight so the four guards line up worked. If we go big(ger) I'd say CMac comes out and Cordell goes in. CJ is an excellent auxiliary ball handler. Kid might be another ice water shooter too.

Offense was a struggle tonight.

 

[unoHawkeye]

Correct.

Now what would it have been like with even better defense and better offense?

Iowa could have easily blown that game open with some better play on both ends.

Who would have provided both better defense and better offense? I know for a fact that nobody else was putting up 20 points 6 assists and 1 turnover as a primary ballhandler. And Connor was in foul trouble too

 

[RocknRollface]

I love Conner at the three - four....Big time decision maker and handler who can make plays. He was terrific tonight.

I've been saying Iowa needed this lineup with Connor/Joe at the 4 for years.

It's one of the main reasons we won tonight. Spacing was better allowing Garza a little more time to operate. Also greatly improved perimeter defense.

 

[Hawk-Fran1]

Perhaps a few of my favorite moments tonight were how much JBo and CJF were celebrating with each after a couple of times at the end of the game.

Fredrick is a hell of a player. He really brings it on all levels. I'm not sure I can think of a better off guard Iowa has had (based on very limited game time observations) than perhaps Haluska. Man, is he good.

I still go back to watching the kid in the KY State tourney, you could just see he had the "it" factor and played with such passion. Kid hit big shot after big shot. Hes my fav Hawk player since I feel like I saw him first. He had some nerve Turnovers to start game but for a frosh hes really been good.

 

[skydog0784]

I still go back to watching the kid in the KY State tourney, you could just see he had the "it" factor and played with such passion. Kid hit big shot after big shot. Hes my fav Hawk player since I feel like I saw him first. He had some nerve Turnovers to start game but for a frosh hes really been good.

Yup, what you said. He good.

 

[Hawk-Fran1]

Perhaps a few of my favorite moments tonight were how much JBo and CJF were celebrating with each after a couple of times at the end of the game.

Fredrick is a hell of a player. He really brings it on all levels. I'm not sure I can think of a better off guard Iowa has had (based on very limited game time observations) than perhaps Haluska. Man, is he good.

Kingsbury may disagree. But agree CJF could go down as one the best off guards we have seen. Haluska, Hansen...etc

 

[skydog0784]

Kingsbury may disagree. But agree CJF could go down as one the best off guards we have seen. Haluska, Hansen...etc

Bobby Hansen was outstanding. He may not reach that level. Personally, I think Kingsbury is overrated considering his inconsistency & lack of focus. Will never forget the UConn game at the AK shootout though, what a performance. He is one of those guys you wonder what could have been if he'd been more focused. But hey, we all made foolish decisions at 18-21 years of age.

 

[RocknRollface]

Who would have provided both better defense and better offense? I know for a fact that nobody else was putting up 20 points 6 assists and 1 turnover as a primary ballhandler. And Connor was in foul trouble too

That's an absurd statement. You absolutely do not know that for a fact. That's the definition of an opinion. You don't know what would of happened in any number of other infinite possibilities.

Joe T is obviously capable of providing significantly better defense and penetration on offense. He was running the point for allot of JBOs shot attempts.

CJ is a better scorer. Joe T brings a different skill set entirely.

Saying Iowa just wouldn't have had those 20 points if different players had the ball is a moronic argument.

20 points on 4/11 shooting isn't anything special. 4/9 from 3 is good for most players but really not good enough for JBO.

Offense was a struggle tonight.

This is all just opinion but I'd much rather see the ball in CJ, JW JTs hands a larger percentage of the time.

Iowa was lucky to win tonight when they should have probably won more comfortably.

 

[Sett1997]

Rocknroll......I agree with you most all the time but not this time! 20 points..100% from the line. Without Jbo tonight we lose! Fun game and great fun! ✌️

JBO was ice! Smooth.

 

[unoHawkeye]

That's an absurd statement. You absolutely do not know that for a fact. That's the definition of an opinion. You don't know what would of happened in any number of other infinite possibilities.

Joe T is obviously capable of providing significantly better defense and penetration on offense. He was running the point for allot of JBOs shot attempts.

CJ is a better scorer. Joe T brings a different skill set entirely.

Saying Iowa just wouldn't have had those 20 points if different players had the ball is a moronic argument.

20 points on 4/11 shooting isn't anything special. 4/9 from 3 is good for most players but really not good enough for JBO.

Offense was a struggle tonight.

This is all just opinion but I'd much rather see the ball in CJ, JW JTs hands a larger percentage of the time.

Iowa was lucky to win tonight when they should have probably won more comfortably.

So you would rather see Wieskamp (35 minutes), Fredrick (29 minutes in the 6th game of his collegiate career) log additional minutes so Bohannon (33 minutes) plays less.

And if neither of them, you’d like to see the guy who, in 16 minutes, scored 2 points on 1/4 shooting, had 2 rebounds, 2 assists, 1 steal, and 1 turnover play more because he not only is a better defender, but is also supposedly capable of replacing Bohannon’s 20 points

Don’t come at me talking about moronic statements then, in the same post, suggesting that Joe Toussaint (also 6th game of his career) should be taking additional minutes in a tournament game against a Top 25 team from a senior with substantial experience in the NCAA Tournament and in high pressure college situations. Joe T played fine in his minutes tonight. But the 33 to 16 distribution absolutely should not have been skewed more towards Toussaint... especially, again, with McCaffery in foul trouble. Absolutely laughable

oh and by the way, both Fredrick (3) and Wieskamp (6) had more turnovers than Bohannon did, and Toussaint had 1 in half the minutes, so I think my statement of nobody being able to match Jordan’s statline is a fact. Unless you think that Connor or Evelyn we’re going to go 20, 6, and 1 (LOL)

 

[unoHawkeye]

So you would rather see Wieskamp (35 minutes), Fredrick (29 minutes in the 6th game of his collegiate career) log additional minutes so Bohannon (33 minutes) plays less.

And if neither of them, you’d like to see the guy who, in 16 minutes, scored 2 points on 1/4 shooting, had 2 rebounds, 2 assists, 1 steal, and 1 turnover play more solely because he is a better defender.

Don’t come at me talking about moronic statements then, in the same post, suggesting that Joe Toussaint (also 6th game of his career) should be taking additional minutes in a tournament game against a Top 25 team from a senior with substantial experience in the NCAA Tournament and in high pressure college situations. Joe T played fine in his minutes tonight. But the 33 to 16 distribution absolutely should not have been skewed more towards Toussaint... especially, again, with McCaffery in foul trouble. Absolutely laughable

oh and by the way, both Fredrick (3) and Wieskamp (6) had more turnovers than Bohannon did, and Toussaint had 1 in half the minutes, so I think my statement of nobody being able to match Jordan’s statline is a fact. Unless you think that Connor or Evelyn we’re going to go 20, 6, and 1 (LOL)

And for as great as Toussaint is defensively, there were several times tonight (which is more than what I noticed from Bohannon), where Joe made dumb gambles trying to steal the ball and gave the defense wide open shots. No way he takes Bohannon’s minutes yet

 

[RocknRollface]

So you would rather see Wieskamp (35 minutes), Fredrick (29 minutes in the 6th game of his collegiate career) log additional minutes so Bohannon (33 minutes) plays less.

And if neither of them, you’d like to see the guy who, in 16 minutes, scored 2 points on 1/4 shooting, had 2 rebounds, 2 assists, 1 steal, and 1 turnover play more solely because he is a better defender.

Don’t come at me talking about moronic statements then, in the same post, suggesting that Joe Toussaint (also 6th game of his career) should be taking additional minutes in a tournament game against a Top 25 team from a senior with substantial experience in the NCAA Tournament and in high pressure college situations. Joe T played fine in his minutes tonight. But the 33 to 16 distribution absolutely should not have been skewed more towards Toussaint... especially, again, with McCaffery in foul trouble. Absolutely laughable

oh and by the way, both Fredrick (3) and Wieskamp (6) had more turnovers than Bohannon did, and Toussaint had 1 in half the minutes, so I think my statement of nobody being able to match Jordan’s statline is a fact. Unless you think that Connor or Evelyn we’re going to go 20, 6, and 1 (LOL)

What a ridiculously exhausting waste of time, you literally don't even understand the definition of a fact versus an opinion.

You clearly don't understand enough about the game for this to be interesting to me.

You're attempt to use stats in a vaccum without any grasp of how much changing variables changes outcomes is laughable.

 

[Suterman]

Great win tonight. CJ played a great game. Joe W. Played well except for the turnovers. JBo was fabulous and we need him to play this year. Garza was fantastic and Connor played a fine game. Our BBC enchanted leaves something to be desired but JBo, CJ and Weezie are all assassins.

 

[unoHawkeye]

What a ridiculously exhausting waste of time, you literally don't even understand the definition of a fact versus an opinion.

You clearly don't understand enough about the game for this to be interesting to me.

You're attempt to use stats in a vaccum without any grasp of how much changing variables changes outcomes is laughable.

No, you’re right. My original statement was an opinion

And you are entitled to yours. If you want to continue complaining about Fran’s minute distribution, and suggesting that we could have won “more comfortably” after a double digit, 11 point win, against a top 25 ranked team, that is absolutely your prerogative.

And if I “don’t understand enough about the game,” because I don’t believe reducing minutes from a senior who played a solid game, in favor of guys who played 29 and 35 minutes respectively, or a true freshman who played a mediocre game, then I guess you can continue to laugh at me.

Although I have to say that your “stats in a vacuum” comment is funny. As if Bohannon not being on the court would have likely led to more points, a more efficient offense, and fewer turnovers by our backcourt. And then whining about his defense, when he was part of a squad which gave up 61 points

Whatever dude. Have a good night